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1021  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some of country can offer you legal gambling in 2023! on: October 04, 2023, 07:35:01 AM
In this case, people who live in those countries are lucky as they have freedom to do gambling whenever wish. At least they don't need to involve in any trouble by using vpn for bypass and access gambling websites as well as no punishment need to be faced where others countries do so. But ethicality is different from one country to another based on their own thoughts. And each of those countries are right and have logical for offering and restriction gambling for their people. So if a country doesn't let you do gambling legally, it doesn't mean they are less ethical than them who offer legal gambling

I am not so sure if those people can be described as lucky, because at the end of the day gambling is a way of transferring money from the poor to the rich.

In the countries were it is illegal to gamble, there is less gambling, and therefore less money is lost from normal people.
1022  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 03, 2023, 05:43:41 PM
And on top of that you need to also stop gambling after winning, which very few people are prepared to do...

Still, in the end a person can be said to be successful in gambling when he is able to control the gambling activities he carries out. Because no matter how much he wins in gambling, if he is not able to control and manage the money, in the end the winnings will be sucked back into gambling.

The successful gambler will not get addicted to the gambling sites,because he know the gambling is the game.

Yeah. correct and it is in line with what I said before. And someone getting to this point is of course not as easy as turning the palm of the pliers and it takes quite a long time and several losses that he experiences in gambling. Because I believe that to a greater extent, when someone is able to realize a loss, whether big or small, then as much as possible he will try to improve himself to prevent careless behavior when gambling.

Yeah, but at the end of the day, most gamblers end up paying more than what they get paid while gambling.

That is the cruel reality, and most gamblers will never tell you that, because they only want to share with you the good news.
1023  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 03, 2023, 05:40:16 PM
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All these are issues I'm very sure FIFA is aware of so they will work around putting modalities in place to make sure no form of the said incidents happens to affect the world cup. Before thinking of hosting the world cup in such venue all this should be put into consideration, usually the culture and the traditions of the people are put to consideration before hosting the games in any location.

It's no new that freedom of speech and all that has to do with every form of standing up against anything they don't find comfortable is prominent in the US but then they would as well have to respect the fact that not everyone will definitely agree with whatever they practice and they would have to be fine with the reactions of the visitors who are there for the games and would leave immediately after, protest or uproars against people not accepting their practice will be unnecessary.

There are agencies from the hosting countries who will definitely take responsibility of maintaining decorum for the success of the game especially in the states where a good number of the games will be held, they will definitely put control measures in place to curb some unnecessary actions that may want to disrupt the games, and am very sure the government wouldn't want to have a bad record as it regards how well they hosted the games.

Yeah, I think at the end of the day FIFA should focus more on the actual sport instead of the drama people create around the sport.

It is a shame what happened to the WWC
1024  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: October 03, 2023, 05:36:56 PM
Well but the thing about that is that the entertainment they get is very, very expensive.

They would be much better off to pay for any other type of entertainment.

Gambling can get very, very expensive
1025  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 03, 2023, 05:34:33 PM
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actually there are various types of gambling addiction, and I actually call myself a gambling addict so I can't just get away from gambling but I don't really spend the money I have and I always use it sensibly because I can control myself and can set limits when I spend money to play I've also had experiences where I can't control my money when I'm having problems so I run to gambling to entertain myself but the gambling uses up my money very quickly and makes me more in trouble.
But as time went by I realized that if this continued to happen to my life I would not have a good future and I slowly started to be disciplined when gambling.
However, there are also gambling addicts who commit violence against friends or family when they experience financial difficulties or are experiencing continuous losses. This can cause someone to experience mental disorders and if this continues to happen it will cause unrest in society because it has created chaos in the environment where they live they live so they need help to help their addiction.

Yes, there are different types of gambling addictions but at the end of the day what matters the most is how it affects the people around them.

If it is only themselves, that is one thing, but if they start drowning other people in debt that is a very different thing
1026  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 03, 2023, 05:31:45 PM
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LOL.. I used to be one of the most active Wikipedia editors during the early days (15-16 years ago). And I have seen how it changed over the course of time. During 2010s, it was taken over by left-wing cabal. A lot of articles related to politics, religion and climate change has been edited by these users and you will find a lot of inaccurate information with such articles. And with each passing year, the left-wing manipulation seems to be getting bigger with Wikipedia. I would not consider it as one of the authentic or reliable sources as far as politics is concerned.

That is true for basically anything really.

Every single source of information has some kind of bias.

The key is to use different kinds of sources, and wikipedia is just one of them.

At the end of the day reality is more  complicated than what people think in the beginning
1027  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 02, 2023, 03:25:23 PM
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I think right now, it is going to be a problem to host any tournament in the USA. That's because all the bullshit that is going on. Starting with the “ LGTV+q”, black lives matter, Just stop oil and all other bullshit, we have seen some really dumb things happening in the USA in recent times. I have also seen those just stop oil people running into a tournament and throwing paint all over. That has happened in table tennis tournaments, tennis tournaments, and also probably in football tournaments as well.

 So right now, I do not think it is a good time for the USA to host any tournament, to be honest.

I think we are living in a time, specially in the US, where people want to be heroes or something like that, so they will try to do things for likes and views online to be famous, many times without really thinking about their actions.

Hopefully the world cup happens without any issues.

Also remember it is going to happen in Mexico and Canada as well.
1028  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 02, 2023, 03:19:16 PM
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First of all, thanks for providing the link to Wikipedia! I'm tired of seeing that people who are against the USA are simultaneously against Wikipedia also. The fact that Wikipedia is an authoritative source for you is a big plus. It is impossible(or, at least, very hard)to have a dialogue with people who don't respect Wikipedia. Now, of course, there are flaws in the electoral system in the United States. I didn't mean to say it's flawless. And, of course, I think the US should use metric system like the rest of the world. A lot of Americans think that too.

I think wikipedia has some issues, but the fact that anyone around the world can edit it (in theory as some articles are locked), they provide a more nuanced view of the world.

Also I like that you can basically translate concepts by changing the wikipedia language of the page.
1029  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: October 02, 2023, 03:15:52 PM
My first experience was amazing. I won just a small amount, probably some beginner’s luck. So I my urge to gamble became more intense that I definitely want to put a higher bet. I did but I was disappointed after that since I literally lose all my money even my previous winnings as well. Maybe that’s how gambling is all about. They make you win first and eventually get back all those that you have won. I actually learn the gambling site from a trusted friend. And he did warned about its risk. But as a newbie, you will definitely think that you might be lucky and get the chance to win big. And that was my first loss, and I surely learned a lesson from that.

It is simply random, so some people will win in their first bet and others will lose.

You were one of the lucky ones.

If you wanted to end up winning against the casino you should have stopped gambling altogether, but of course that is not as exciting as staying gambling, which will make you lose all your money
1030  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 02, 2023, 03:13:04 PM
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In my personal view, talking about someone who is successful in gambling "is not about how much a person can win a bet" but rather talks "about how a person can control himself over the gambling activities he has been doing so far" which is where he is no longer influenced and provoked by the environment or by an offer that might make him do something stupid again when gambling.
Someone who is successful in gambling will never assume that gambling is a money-making machine that can give him profits. and someone who is successful in gambling will never prioritize his gambling activities compared to the responsibilities he is currently carrying out.

A succesful gambler is as rare as a unicorn.

To be one of those, you need to win big, which is rare, and do that before losing too much, which is also rare.

And on top of that you need to also stop gambling after winning, which very few people are prepared to do...
1031  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some of country can offer you legal gambling in 2023! on: October 02, 2023, 06:51:45 AM
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After the voting is complete, their powers will be replaced by new people appointed indirectly by their predecessors. Those appointed will continue this power until their term of office ends.

I am not so sure that the new people would be directly connected with the previous ones, but in the end they are very similar, both of them
1032  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 01, 2023, 10:44:39 AM
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Celebrities are also very limited in promoting their image in the gambling industry when the media can broadcast it widely and the press can think that this is inappropriate behavior, celebrities' income comes from the audience, so they will never do actions that tarnish their image, most likely, gambling websites are taking pictures of celebrities without their permission. Advertising is just exploiting the psychology of viewers, gambling addiction is the end result, so it is necessary to consider the root of the problem of gambling addiction and eliminate it.

At the end the problem of gambling is a personal thing, it is almost impossible to help someone that wants to continue gambling.

They will continue gambling until they lose all their money, and sometimes people will even loan money to try to recover their losses, only to lose it all all over again...

It's a dangerous addiction that can destroy many lives
1033  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: October 01, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
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It happens often, but surely not always. The probability of losing is just slightly higher than  that of winning, so the casino can't  know for sure that if the gambler stays longer he'll lose all his money. We all know that there were cases when very lucky gamblers were asked to leave and were forbidden from entering the casino again. In some cases those gamblers were cheaters, but often they were just lucky and stupid casino managers were afraid of them winning more and more. All this was happening in the past and in land-based casinos. Today online casinos are rather interested in someone's winning big on their platform. Word will spread and more people will be playing on their site, and the volume will do its job for them.

Well, yes, the probability in some games is close to say 50/50, but with a slight advantage to the casinos

Other games have a way larger advantage for the casinos.
1034  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: October 01, 2023, 10:18:29 AM
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Yeah every casino has a different bonus program and this time I used my weekly bonus they gave me  $20 free balance not a deposit bonus so I have to complete the x25 wagering requirement and the max win is only $20 it sounds impossible but it doesn't matter because it's free and in fact I have successfully completed these requirements 3 times. To get a promo like this you have to play casino and win at least $20 then the following week they will credit the free balance to your account, this is called Weekly Slots Boost 100%

Yeah, sometimes the bonus can be a way to actually make a bit of money, but in the end of the day it is just a single time.

Most of the other times the gambler will end up losing their money anyway.

But yeah, taking advantage of the bonus is ideal, at least once per casino.
1035  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 01, 2023, 09:59:21 AM
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This discussion reminds me of my childhood, yes I used a stone or a piece of bamboo to be used as a goal to be able to play sccer. No need for a field, in the yard of a house or a large plantation we can play it. And sometimes I had to be kicked out by the person who owned the yard because it was noisy, but the next day we played there again. Lol
Yes, soccer is that easy, and it is not strange when this sport becomes the most popular sport in the world, not only adults, but children and women also love this sport. And maybe it will be a memory of the past that will never be repeated again.

Yeah, it is a memory from many people all around the world, as it is a very common thing to do.

It is basically the future of football, many people will end up playing in professional football.
1036  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some of country can offer you legal gambling in 2023! on: October 01, 2023, 09:54:12 AM
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It is difficult for us to overcome this because they already have many friends who will cover each other's activities. We can only complain without knowing where to complain because almost everyone is involved. And even if some are not involved in that circle, they also don't have the power to fight it.

Voting is a formality to show the people that they are giving us the opportunity to choose the finalists. But after one of them is elected, they will only benefit their group without siding with the people. This makes the country's economic condition never improve or develop because they still control it.

Yeah, the whole thing about voting is a bit of a show, because they basically have two options only, instead of having a real choice.

But yes, at the end of it, it's all just a show so that people think they have a choice.
1037  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: October 01, 2023, 09:41:01 AM
I mean if you continually play you are always going to lose in the end.  The odds are tipped in the casinos favor as that's their business.  People do win the jackpots but it's few and far between.  The trick is to get out while ahead and not continuing to play, that's when you end up getting drained.  Short play time win or lose, got to have a walk away point.

That is actually correct, the math tells you that in the end the gambler will lose all their money.

That is why the casinos will give them free food and drinks, so that the gambler stays there for as long as possible.

The key of course is to win big and stop, but that is very unlikely to happen.
1038  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 01, 2023, 09:33:06 AM
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They successfully combat their addiction and turn gambling as successful career since they market theirselves very well to the huge number of people that's why they are gaining supports and sponsorship that makes their gambling career alive.

That's why many choose to stream their gaming sessions since they want to gather millions of followers and gain attention from sponsors that can support them. Some may failed on this maybe they can't handle their losses and have proper financing but other excel especially those big gambling streamers since they are good on entertaining people and earning a lot of money from multiple ways. Lets forget about the cut but if we want to be successful on gambling maybe we should work to widen up our network since this is how we can slowly gain some fame and be known on this industry.

True, at the end of the day most gamblers that stream end up making their money in other things, like sponsors and things like that.

The actual gambling is usually not the actual source of income. It's a bit like selling shovels in the gold rush
1039  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: September 30, 2023, 06:49:27 AM
I'm sure it's very difficult. if we only have some money then want to gamble completely. So how do we buy the necessities for our lives or our families? then when using it with a 50% win ratio what if it loses? even if it wins are we sure not to come back to play? I'm sure many of us want to continue playing after winning. Even I myself have not found a big win and then stopped.

Yes, casinos know this very well, and the moment a gambler wins big they will be quick to celebrate with them, and the casino will bring them some free food and drinks so that they stay longer, because they know that eventually the gambler will lose it all to the casino.

And after winning, the gambler will feel like being in the top of the world and will want to replicate their win.

Unfortunately, the most probable thing to happen to the gambler next is to lose all their money instead, which is why the casino wants them to stay for as long as possible.
1040  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: September 30, 2023, 06:46:01 AM
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You only need a ball, and 22 people can play sports together. No need for goalposts, football boots, or even a grass field. You only need a ball and a field with sufficient area and width. It's very simple to be able to play football. You can imagine how cheap it costs. There are no complicated rules to remember. Yes, I think the rules are also what make football a very easy sport to play.

You can always make the goal posts of sweaters or shirts from the players, and the ball can be anything really.

Kids in poor countries will use anything, even pieces of rubbish to play football. A ball is a luxury in some places.

At the end of the day, football is the easiest game to play all around the world and the most loved one.
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