Blockchain evidence or it didn't happen.
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Lots of BS can be eliminated by allowing funds in and out from only 1 bank account. If you close your primary bank account, new account can be added and same rule applies. Probably some paperwork has to be produced to show, that account really is closed. As simple as that. And guess what, it also adds an extra layer of security.
Does that still allow the scammer to arrange a bunch of individual sales, opening a new Intersango account for each one? Each Intersango account only receives deposits from a single bank account that way, and business continues for the scammer as before.
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if pirate was taking advantage of silkroad's coin tumbling, wouldn't SR dipping into their cold wallet for his withdrawals have the right timing?
Maybe. But I think the 500k BTC number people throw around is the number of coins pirate would have if he wasn't running a ponzi. It's probable that the majority of those 500k coins never existed except on paper.
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hit me up
1PjP6pd19NS1YZXkKytzyVbEAAuLEzyjhK
I think you need at least 100 posts to play this thing.
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Thanks for your input dooglus, I wasnt aware that there could be such problems with direct deposits into an account, assumed they were 99% safe (at least safer than paypal) - that kind of puts me off doing something like this.
Don't take my word for it. I don't have any experience of it directly. It may be that the issue is worse for Australian banks, and it's even possible that the owner of the exchange didn't really have any problems with the banks at all, and simply claimed that he did, and kept the money for himself. I have no way of knowing what really happened.
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Results: 2012-Sep-16 07:42pm (up to block 199136)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 19989 | 0 (0.00000) | 19634 | 355 | 157.95 | 0.01 | 25.78 | 157.93 | 0.012 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 1746 | 0 (0.00000) | 1674 | 72 | 24.59 | 0.00 | 6.68 | 24.59 | 0.007 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 2336 | 0 (0.00000) | 2301 | 35 | 28.59 | 0.02 | 3.22 | 28.56 | 0.093 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 2419 | 1 (0.00042) | 2375 | 43 | 51.33 | 8.06 | 5.15 | 43.26 | 15.710 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 2509 | 1 (0.00040) | 2472 | 36 | 89.77 | 4.24 | 7.40 | 85.52 | 4.730 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 5420 | 3 (0.00055) | 5406 | 11 | 379.51 | 303.32 | 1.29 | 76.18 | 79.924 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 7768 | 8 (0.00103) | 7738 | 22 | 645.21 | 124.39 | 55.64 | 520.82 | 19.279 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 9951 | 19 (0.00192) | 9877 | 55 | 1596.08 | 1274.64 | 44.25 | 321.44 | 79.861 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 9856 | 43 (0.00437) | 9799 | 14 | 1284.42 | 1302.33 | 13.11 | -17.91 | 101.394 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 14984 | 115 (0.00768) | 14860 | 9 | 2633.99 | 2003.56 | 9.35 | 630.43 | 76.066 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 28582 | 426 (0.01491) | 28146 | 10 | 8270.60 | 7672.25 | 1.80 | 598.34 | 92.765 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 14968 | 341 (0.02279) | 14621 | 6 | 4697.57 | 4854.95 | 15.00 | -157.38 | 103.350 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 22480 | 696 (0.03097) | 21780 | 4 | 5478.06 | 4643.51 | 9.24 | 834.55 | 84.766 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 15094 | 697 (0.04620) | 14389 | 8 | 6776.97 | 8057.18 | 24.99 | -1280.21 | 118.891 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 15695 | 965 (0.06150) | 14726 | 4 | 4637.19 | 4114.48 | 31.20 | 522.71 | 88.728 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 20642 | 1933 (0.09373) | 18691 | 18 | 9938.49 | 9834.87 | 7.01 | 103.61 | 98.957 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 81660 | 10048 (0.12308) | 71591 | 21 | 10062.21 | 8649.47 | 0.00 | 1412.74 | 85.960 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 20668 | 3876 (0.18765) | 16779 | 13 | 8143.02 | 8334.61 | 14.50 | -191.59 | 102.353 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 77224 | 18777 (0.24322) | 58426 | 21 | 44353.44 | 43745.02 | 347.79 | 608.42 | 98.628 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 58539 | 21507 (0.36766) | 36990 | 42 | 28748.93 | 27959.57 | 212.64 | 789.35 | 97.254 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 502539 | 245004 (0.48794) | 257112 | 423 | 302367.18 | 301054.25 | 2173.40 | 1312.92 | 99.566 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 185934 | 92607 (0.49851) | 93162 | 165 | 180479.70 | 178999.86 | 1295.21 | 1479.84 | 99.180 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 146979 | 108123 (0.73601) | 38782 | 74 | 139751.99 | 137444.53 | 467.98 | 2307.45 | 98.349 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 11348 | 9014 (0.79468) | 2329 | 5 | 20058.27 | 19977.14 | 400.00 | 81.12 | 99.596 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 10929 | 9372 (0.85840) | 1546 | 11 | 10663.46 | 10447.47 | 400.00 | 215.98 | 97.974 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 5096 | 4661 (0.91590) | 428 | 7 | 8360.60 | 8276.62 | 0.00 | 83.98 | 98.996 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 7467 | 7183 (0.97995) | 147 | 137 | 16191.12 | 15913.57 | 239.21 | 277.55 | 98.286 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 1258967 | 513324 | 744230 | 1413 | 314230.96 | 305608.98 | 143.60 | 8621.98 | 97.256 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 43855 | 22096 | 21551 | 208 | 501639.39 | 499391.06 | 5668.35 | 2248.32 | 99.552 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1302822 | 535420 | 765781 | 1621 | 815870.36 | 805000.05 | 5811.96 | 10870.31 | 98.668 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 10870.31177122 BTC (1.332%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 656.29522500 BTC SD Profit after fees: 10214.01654622 BTC (1.252%) ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 4273359 : SatoshiDice Tx: 2413147 (56.5%) Blockchain MB: 1770.0 : SatoshiDice Tx: 985.7 (55.7%)
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1) this is the god damn pirate wallet, 90%+ confidence.
2) built this year, starting right when his scam was ramping up
3) died when the scam died
4) rule out Gox / Silk Road, and it's only Pirate left: 4a) SR does 22M in business per year, profits about 1M, and is likely quickly converted to USD 4b) Gox isn't that stupid, wouldn't build a 500kBTC wallet (that's 5% of ALL btc) and this is not how a Gox cold storage wallet would look (why is it built in weekly / monthly regular headshots? only during this yr? ending with a super-launder?)
It's Trendon
Re. 4a) This doesn't need to be SR's profits. It's just the BTC they're currently holding. Customers deposit BTC at SR then trade them with sellers. While the BTC are on the site, they need to keep them safe. Hence the use of this offline wallet. Since the address became public knowledge they've split the contents up into several smaller addresses to avoid scrutiny. Re. the other points, that's useless circumstantial evidence and doesn't prove anything. It's SR.
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I used to have this happen on occasion... would just reload the client, get new connections, and it'd be fine.
Yes. I didn't mention that, but if I restart the client it starts getting the new blocks almost immediately.
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Maybe. That bet pays out 64x, so if he bet 1 BTC, he'd win around 64 BTC.
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Results: 2012-Sep-15 09:10pm (up to block 198976)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 19717 | 0 (0.00000) | 19363 | 354 | 150.52 | 0.01 | 25.28 | 150.50 | 0.013 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 1734 | 0 (0.00000) | 1662 | 72 | 24.32 | 0.00 | 6.68 | 24.32 | 0.007 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 2325 | 0 (0.00000) | 2290 | 35 | 28.41 | 0.02 | 3.22 | 28.38 | 0.093 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 2410 | 1 (0.00042) | 2366 | 43 | 51.14 | 8.06 | 5.15 | 43.07 | 15.769 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 2499 | 1 (0.00041) | 2462 | 36 | 89.69 | 4.24 | 7.40 | 85.44 | 4.735 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 5402 | 3 (0.00056) | 5388 | 11 | 379.31 | 303.32 | 1.29 | 75.99 | 79.966 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 7747 | 8 (0.00104) | 7717 | 22 | 645.00 | 124.39 | 55.64 | 520.61 | 19.285 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 9915 | 19 (0.00193) | 9841 | 55 | 1595.58 | 1274.64 | 44.25 | 320.94 | 79.885 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 9844 | 43 (0.00437) | 9787 | 14 | 1284.23 | 1302.33 | 13.11 | -18.09 | 101.409 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 14957 | 114 (0.00763) | 14834 | 9 | 2632.55 | 2003.43 | 9.35 | 629.12 | 76.102 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 28312 | 422 (0.01491) | 27880 | 10 | 8267.66 | 7670.78 | 1.80 | 596.87 | 92.781 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 14955 | 340 (0.02274) | 14609 | 6 | 4697.39 | 4854.74 | 15.00 | -157.35 | 103.350 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 22459 | 696 (0.03100) | 21759 | 4 | 5477.67 | 4643.51 | 9.24 | 834.16 | 84.772 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 15057 | 696 (0.04625) | 14353 | 8 | 6775.77 | 8056.11 | 24.99 | -1280.34 | 118.896 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 15675 | 965 (0.06158) | 14706 | 4 | 4635.78 | 4114.47 | 31.20 | 521.30 | 88.755 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 20626 | 1933 (0.09380) | 18675 | 18 | 9938.14 | 9834.87 | 7.01 | 103.26 | 98.961 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 81141 | 9976 (0.12298) | 71144 | 21 | 10041.63 | 8628.91 | 0.00 | 1412.72 | 85.931 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 20617 | 3867 (0.18768) | 16737 | 13 | 8139.85 | 8332.31 | 14.50 | -192.45 | 102.364 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 76484 | 18596 (0.24320) | 57867 | 21 | 44279.01 | 43703.12 | 347.79 | 575.89 | 98.699 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 58394 | 21460 (0.36777) | 36892 | 42 | 28726.67 | 27939.91 | 212.64 | 786.76 | 97.261 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 498657 | 243102 (0.48793) | 255133 | 422 | 299423.23 | 298392.03 | 2173.40 | 1031.19 | 99.656 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 185415 | 92334 (0.49843) | 92917 | 164 | 180130.39 | 178660.95 | 1295.21 | 1469.43 | 99.184 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 146306 | 107619 (0.73595) | 38613 | 74 | 139642.70 | 137337.54 | 467.98 | 2305.15 | 98.349 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 11105 | 8823 (0.79486) | 2277 | 5 | 19949.77 | 19882.48 | 400.00 | 67.28 | 99.663 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 10656 | 9154 (0.85985) | 1492 | 10 | 10373.75 | 10197.74 | 400.00 | 176.00 | 98.303 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 5035 | 4603 (0.91547) | 425 | 7 | 8225.22 | 8133.88 | 0.00 | 91.33 | 98.890 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 7452 | 7169 (0.97991) | 147 | 136 | 16185.05 | 15907.48 | 239.21 | 277.57 | 98.285 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 1251209 | 509927 | 739874 | 1408 | 312971.02 | 304420.68 | 143.10 | 8550.33 | 97.268 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 43687 | 22017 | 21462 | 208 | 498819.53 | 496890.71 | 5668.35 | 1928.81 | 99.613 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1294896 | 531944 | 761336 | 1616 | 811790.55 | 801311.40 | 5811.46 | 10479.15 | 98.709 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 10479.15139013 BTC (1.291%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 652.30490000 BTC SD Profit after fees: 9826.84649013 BTC (1.211%) ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 4246080 : SatoshiDice Tx: 2398660 (56.5%) Blockchain MB: 1758.0 : SatoshiDice Tx: 979.4 (55.7%)
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I've just stumbled across it to. I'd also be interested to hear about this more.
Its something I've considered, maybe setting up something for just the local area, like a local bitcoin exchange. I'd have to hire dev's and security folk tho as that ends a little to past my skills.
Most of my experience with the Intersango code came from setting up the software for the "World Bitcoin Exchange", which allowed users to trade Australian dollars for BTC. The exchange worked pretty well, but in the end the exchange closed down and claimed that all the users dollars had gone missing. Whenever you set up an exchange bank fraud seems to be a real problem. The owner of WBX claims that deposits to his bank account were somehow reversed after users had exchanged them for BTC and withdrawn, resulting in him losing a lot of money. The exchange software itself however appears to have stood up very well.
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I see this has been dormant for awhile, but I stumbled across it. Has Intersango kept up with this project? And has anyone gone on to build their own exchange website? I'd be curious to hear user experiences regarding this project.
Intersango currently uses a different set of code for their own exchange. It's not open sourced (yet?) as far as I understand. I made a whole bunch of changes to the open source Intersango code. You can see my changes here: https://github.com/dooglus/intersango/I've not been keeping up with it recently, but am able to assist with getting the code installed and running, and can implement custom features should you require them.
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With payouts dropping on those sites (just got a "prize" of 0.00005 BTC on Bitcoiner), I'm wondering if the dust we get from some of them isn't actually more costly (thinking about transaction fees to spend it later) than it's worth.
It's possible to spend these tiny prizes for free (no fee required) so long as you combine them with a suitably large other output. For example, if you have a 1 BTC output which is 2 days old, you can send 1.00005 BTC to yourself for free, effectively spending the 0.00005 BTC output and combining it into a single 1.00005 BTC coin, which you can later spend as you see fit. Of course, if you already have 1 BTC then I expect you probably won't be wasting your time hunting for 0.00005 BTC prizes, since they're insignificant in comparison.
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Aah, I personally kept to that limit as it seemed sensible for my own risk limitations. I thought it was added to prevent him from being sued by any specific party for significant amounts.
I think everyone kept to the limit. I guess when you have $5000 on the line you don't want to break any 'rules'...
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I built v0.7.0rc3 from git, and have noticed on several occasions that it's very bad at catching up with the blockchain if I suspend the laptop for a few hours then resume it.
I suspended the laptop with the blockchain up to date last night. Then today when I resumed it, the block download seems stuck at "55 blocks remaining" even though I apparently have "14 active connections to the bitcoin network".
I don't know if those are really "active" connections, or if it fact they are 14 connections which were active at the time of suspension, and which have really died out in the mean time.
I get the impression that v0.6.x was better at handling suspend/resume, but that may not actually be the case. I'm suspending and resuming more recently than I used to, so perhaps I'm seeing a long-standing issue that's nothing to do with the 0.7.0 changes.
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It's vague on the website and I suspect that Andre never enforced the limit anyway. He was shonky about everything else. Default maximum account size limit is AUD 5,000; if you would like to raise this limit, please submit a Request to Support and we will guide you through the AML/CFT process as mandated under the Anti-Money Laundering and Counter-Terrorism Financing Act 2006. (AML/CTF Act) received Royal Assent on 12 December 2006. There's actually nothing in our AML/CTF Act which operates to limit the size of accounts. I'm convinced he just put that there for show. There's actually nothing in the code to limit balances either. The per-account setting only changes the text that displays the "limit" to the user.
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Results: 2012-Sep-14 03:04pm (up to block 198803)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 19439 | 0 (0.00000) | 19085 | 354 | 145.64 | 0.01 | 25.28 | 145.62 | 0.013 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 1730 | 0 (0.00000) | 1658 | 72 | 24.32 | 0.00 | 6.68 | 24.32 | 0.007 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 2315 | 0 (0.00000) | 2280 | 35 | 27.90 | 0.02 | 3.22 | 27.88 | 0.095 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 2410 | 1 (0.00042) | 2366 | 43 | 51.14 | 8.06 | 5.15 | 43.07 | 15.769 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 2499 | 1 (0.00041) | 2462 | 36 | 89.69 | 4.24 | 7.40 | 85.44 | 4.735 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 5386 | 3 (0.00056) | 5372 | 11 | 378.99 | 303.32 | 1.29 | 75.67 | 80.034 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 7745 | 8 (0.00104) | 7715 | 22 | 644.99 | 124.39 | 55.64 | 520.59 | 19.286 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 9890 | 19 (0.00193) | 9816 | 55 | 1595.32 | 1274.64 | 44.25 | 320.68 | 79.899 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 9833 | 43 (0.00438) | 9776 | 14 | 1284.06 | 1302.33 | 13.11 | -18.26 | 101.423 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 14860 | 114 (0.00768) | 14737 | 9 | 2631.45 | 2003.43 | 9.35 | 628.02 | 76.134 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 28252 | 418 (0.01480) | 27825 | 9 | 8265.35 | 7670.49 | 1.80 | 594.86 | 92.803 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 14938 | 340 (0.02277) | 14592 | 6 | 4696.54 | 4854.74 | 15.00 | -158.19 | 103.368 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 22442 | 696 (0.03102) | 21742 | 4 | 5477.46 | 4643.51 | 9.24 | 833.95 | 84.775 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 15015 | 694 (0.04625) | 14313 | 8 | 6771.07 | 8055.91 | 24.99 | -1284.83 | 118.975 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 15654 | 965 (0.06166) | 14685 | 4 | 4635.39 | 4114.47 | 31.20 | 520.91 | 88.762 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 20570 | 1927 (0.09376) | 18625 | 18 | 9899.74 | 9769.28 | 7.01 | 130.45 | 98.682 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 80951 | 9953 (0.12298) | 70977 | 21 | 10029.93 | 8618.62 | 0.00 | 1411.30 | 85.929 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 20555 | 3856 (0.18771) | 16686 | 13 | 8134.01 | 8328.03 | 14.50 | -194.01 | 102.385 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 76053 | 18498 (0.24329) | 57534 | 21 | 44186.60 | 43662.51 | 347.79 | 524.09 | 98.814 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 58186 | 21380 (0.36771) | 36764 | 42 | 28684.95 | 27890.48 | 212.64 | 794.46 | 97.230 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 493140 | 240383 (0.48787) | 252337 | 420 | 297338.06 | 296259.29 | 2173.40 | 1078.77 | 99.637 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 184465 | 91887 (0.49857) | 92415 | 163 | 179461.88 | 178163.22 | 1295.21 | 1298.65 | 99.276 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 145780 | 107228 (0.73592) | 38478 | 74 | 139312.86 | 137080.47 | 467.98 | 2232.39 | 98.398 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 10978 | 8726 (0.79522) | 2247 | 5 | 19907.03 | 19845.13 | 400.00 | 61.89 | 99.689 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 9956 | 8538 (0.85844) | 1408 | 10 | 10017.69 | 9846.36 | 400.00 | 171.32 | 98.290 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 4960 | 4534 (0.91522) | 420 | 6 | 8205.06 | 8115.80 | 0.00 | 89.26 | 98.912 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 7427 | 7145 (0.97984) | 147 | 135 | 16176.94 | 15899.34 | 239.21 | 277.59 | 98.284 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 1241912 | 505425 | 735085 | 1402 | 310942.23 | 302503.02 | 143.10 | 8439.20 | 97.286 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 43517 | 21932 | 21377 | 208 | 497131.96 | 495335.20 | 5668.35 | 1796.76 | 99.639 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1285429 | 527357 | 756462 | 1610 | 808074.20 | 797838.23 | 5811.46 | 10235.96 | 98.733 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 10235.96455759 BTC (1.267%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 647.55075000 BTC SD Profit after fees: 9588.41380759 BTC (1.187%) ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 4210750 : SatoshiDice Tx: 2380017 (56.5%) Blockchain MB: 1743.5 : SatoshiDice Tx: 971.9 (55.7%)
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This 2 BTC contribution appears to belong to FooBaer who was still asking for his to be doubled yesterday afternoon. Clearly not doubled yet, and clearly doesn't explain the claimed 4 BTC double 3 days ago. Well spotted.
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I don't get how this is supposed to work. Which is probably why I've never broken the mid 130's on an IQ test.
It's quite simple. The winner is whoever sends the lowest amount that nobody else sent. So if you send 0.1, you win, unless somebody else also sends 0.1. It could be that all the amounts from 0.1 up to 10.0 are sent multiple times, and the winning bet was 10.1, because there was only one bet of 10.1. Get it now?
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