They use 8 decks and shuffle before every hand.

You can see that 8 decks are used by opening up the 'provably fair' sub-window and counting the length of the "final shuffle" string.  Reading the "what is this?" link in the bottom right corner of that sub-window makes it clear that they shuffle before dealing every hand.

I looked into the recent 1200 BTC spike down and back up, and found it was almost entirely due to a single person.

Address 13rwnU2B6dmx66EUZ1q27ew9owS9t1FJYu played 'lessthan 16000' over and over.

  In block 197429 the stategy worked, winning them 1300 BTC:

    BET    16     WIN    48.04263600
    BET    16     WIN    48.04263600
    BET    16     WIN    48.04263600
    BET    16    LOSE   -15.92050000
    BET    20     WIN    60.05342000
    BET    20    LOSE   -19.90050000
    BET    25     WIN    75.06690000
    BET    32     WIN    96.08577200
    BET    32    LOSE   -31.84050000
    BET    32    LOSE   -31.84050000
    BET    40    LOSE   -39.80050000
    BET    64    LOSE   -63.68050000
    BET    80     WIN   240.21518000
    BET   128     WIN   384.34458800
    BET   128    LOSE  -127.36050000
    BET   200     WIN   600.53870000

  In block 197430 the luck ran out, losing 1400 BTC back to the house:

    BET    20    LOSE   -19.90050000
    BET    40    LOSE   -39.80050000
    BET    40    LOSE   -39.80050000
    BET    80    LOSE   -79.60050000
    BET    80    LOSE   -79.60050000 
    BET   100    LOSE   -99.50050000
    BET   180    LOSE  -179.10050000
    BET   210    LOSE  -208.95050000
    BET   219    LOSE  -217.90550000
    BET   219    LOSE  -217.90550000
    BET   219    LOSE  -217.90550000

There were lots of smaller bets.  I've only listed and counted the bigger ones.

This is what came to my mind when I read his post:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v439zTOJVho

I've not been following this thread closely, but I've seen my daily SatoshiDice statistics thread mentioned a few times, but never linked to.

So here's the link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312

Each day I post an unofficial profit/loss account along with a graph, all taken from the blockchain.

It pretty closely matches the official google doc that gets updated periodically.

I've verified a few of the hands I've played, and they've all checked out.  I can't say they're all legit without checking them all, but I have a good feeling about the site.  I'm about 7 BTC down overall I think.

That's a good point.  As far as I know, yours was the only account that was sold.  I thought I remembered Brendio buying your account, but I guess either I remember it wrong or he has since sold it on.

Looking back, I see:


so you already transferred your balance to Brendio, and so I don't need to take that into consideration - Brendio's account will simply have $497.33 more in it than it used to.  Did Brendio since pass the balance on to BurtW?  That's the first I've heard about it if that's the case.

Would it have helped if there was a site which walked you through the process step by step?  I'm thinking of making such a thing.  Something more automatic than having to visit all those different sites to do it manually, but less automatic than the site bitZino provides which shows a few progress bars and says "yep, it's fine".

I'm not sure if that would be useful.  Maybe it's more convincing for people like your friend to go through the steps "manually" for themselves.

Either way, having a neutral 3rd party like myself provide a verification site is likely more convincing than having bitZino verify their own data...

When I have time, I'll set up a claim site which will allow people to log in using their WBX openid login, which will allow me to collect bitcoin withdrawal addresses in a secure manner.  This seems like the safest way to proceed, since I have no other way of authenticating WBX user accounts - for the most part I have no details at all about the account owners.

In the mean time, I would encourage any creditors of WBX to contact me by PM here or email to dooglus at gmail giving me your WBX user ID and email address.  Then I'll email everyone when I have the claim site in place.

Those two quote seem to contradict each other?

Are you saying that Andrew isn't paying out, but his site is?

Or are you saying that he's paying out previous winners using deposits from new players, ponzi style?

Thanks.  I'll do that and report back here.

Incidentally, do we have any proof that we were really dealing with Andre or High Net Worth Property and not just an anonymous Internet scammer using those identities?

Here's a blog post mentioning bitZino:

  http://calvinayre.com/2012/09/03/business/bitzino-touts-provably-fair-games-but-can-bitcoin-only-casinos-succeed/

I expect he's paying out in the same order the withdrawals were requested.  If DOH! requested his hundreds of won coins before you requested your .29, you'll be waiting until DOH!'s request is filled.  Just guessing.

Well, A gets 0.154 BTC which is $1.54, but he was only owed $1.00, so he's made a profit on the deal which doesn't seem right.  I don't see why anyone would be entitled to get more than 100% of what they're owed, unless everyone does.

I guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter what "seems right", it matters what's legal.  There must be laws about what to do in this situation.  Maybe not about bitcoin, but what if it was gold, or some other commodity.

I was reading the BitFloor thread yesterday.  The situation there is the exact opposite - the BTC are missing, but the dollars are whole.  There's lots of argument there.  The people with dollars on deposit argue that they don't want their dollars being used to reimburse the BTC holders, whereas the BTC holders argue that if the company is insolvent then its assets need to be distributed proportionally to all creditors.  Others say that it would be illegal to distribute any assets at all without bringing in a liquidator, and are telling Roman that he must seek legal advice before doing anything.

In the WBX situation it's more complicated I think.  I don't know if there was ever a company registered that owned the exchange, or if it was all a scam from the beginning.  Even if WBX was owned by High Net Worth, it seems the company registration lapsed while the exchange was still operating, and so some claim that Andre is personally liable for the debts.

So do I need to speak to an Australian lawyer about how to proceed?  I don't want to spend the little remaining funds on legal expenses, but also don't want to do the wrong thing and end up in legal trouble as a result.

See at the bottom of that page, there's a link: "Advanced: Enable".  Click it.  Then you'll see the advanced view which shows you it's actually 2 separate 0.25 payments, not a single 0.50.

I don't know if you were replying to me or not.  I don't mean to be rude, but stand by what I wrote.

I guess you meant libelling him (slander is spoken, not written), and libel involves making false statements.  It's not libellous to say "this casino is too slow to pay its debts" if that is indeed the case.

Exactly what I showed over a month ago in this thread:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.msg1064276#msg1064276

You need to set your preferred timezone in your profile.  I see "Quote from: Shagnasty on Today at 05:53:36 PM" because I have my timezone set to Pacific time.

This!

Don't accept bets you can't afford to lose.  If you don't have the bankroll to offer blackjack at the stakes you offer, reduce the maximum bet to a level you can afford.  It's not right to gamble with money you don't have.