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1041  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: get 0.01 btc for embedding the code which allows to earn more on: February 03, 2012, 06:38:40 PM
@Arsenische any chance of banner adds and 160x600 wide sky scraper ads?  I currently advertise for Google AdSence on my blog http://glbse.blogspot.com/ but would prefer to advertise mainly BitCoin products.

Need to think it out. I want to give more flexibility here. Right now there is no much options to customize ads. Advertisers have an option to upload image, and affiliates have an option to use iframe or image ad version. If they use iframe, then text ad will be shown, otherwise - graphic version (graphic text or image). The only adjustable thing for affiliate is the size of the ad box. You can set style="width:160px;height:600px;". Though it wouldn't look very good... Especially for image versions.
1042  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: get 0.01 btc for embedding the code which allows to earn more on: February 03, 2012, 03:08:30 PM
Just to be sure: an advertiser can also decide not to pay the traffic he receives, correct? I'm aware that this seems to decrease the chances of his ads to be shown, but it would still work with new affiliates; or he could just create another advertiser account if the old one has been burned.

Well.. That's why advertisers have to send money to deposit address to increase their bootstrap score and to get connected to affiliates. There is no free views for advertisers unless there is a bug in software Smiley

Advertisers may decide to pay only to deposit address and not to pay to affiliates. But it will be just about 9 times more expensive for them (since they will compete for 10% of views, while the other 90% of views will be distributed among advertisers that pay to affiliates).

I'd say it's not truly anonymous. More semi-anonymous, just like Bitcoin itself.

Yes, that's true.. Just need to realize that if your personal info is linked to forum account, or to your site, or to your blog.. then if you publish anything - it is not anonymous Smiley
1043  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: get 0.01 btc for embedding the code which allows to earn more on: February 03, 2012, 02:15:56 PM
I just woke up having my first cup of coffee, so forgive me if this question is stupid.

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The Lucky Coin Casino: Blackjack, Video Poker, and more!  →  Play Now!
Ads by Anonymous Ads

If I see the ad above placed by the The Lucky Coin Casino by Anonymous Ads, which part of this anonymous don't I understand? I took the liberty to click several ads and, once I was on those sites, I was able to tell who placed the ads, unless there's a Supper PAC somewhere paying for the ads, I'm pretty sure that the sites I arrived at were linked by their owner's paid ads.

My question is in way to dis this service. Help me get my head out of my ass on issue.

Thanks,

~Bruno~


You are right, Bruno. It is quite reasonable to suspect, that the site owner is the advertiser. But it is not always the case. Anybody can place ad on behalf of anybody else, and anybody can send money for existing ads. Also, if you know the site, that doesn't mean you know its owner.

The service is anonymous in sense that it doesn't collect any personal data about advertisers and affiliates.
1044  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: get 0.01 btc for embedding the code which allows to earn more on: February 03, 2012, 12:57:18 PM
Out of interest, I analyzed the data you provide. Is there any way to estimate the earnings for an affiliate?
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The difference is even bigger between user 19 and 32: both earned almost the same, but user 19 needed 563 clicks vs only 2 for user 32.

Thanks for the question. It seems that many affiliates and advertisers don't understand the main principle behind the service.

Affiliates' earnings is just what advertisers pay to them (+10% of advertiser's deposits, if that advertiser was attracted by affiliate). There is no reliable & accurate way to estimate earnings in advance. Probably it should be comparable to the revenue generated by showing ads of any other advertising network.

There is no any specific price per click or per impression. Affiliates are anonymous and we can't really rely on clicks and impressions because they could have been generated by botnets.

That is why ads' links are being appended with bitcoin address: it enables advertisers to evaluate visits and to pay to affiliates that brought successful visits to them.

Advertisers have incentive to do so because:
1. more they pay to specific affiliates - more chances their ads have to be shown for that affiliates, more impressions from that affiliates they get.
2. it is cheaper than just depositing to deposit address, because 90% of impressions are distributed according to amounts paid to affiliates, and only 10% of impressions - according to the bootstrap score.
3. in the long run it increases efficiency of advertising campaign: ads have more chances to be shown on sites that work best for them.

Though there is not that much traffic yet to observe #3, and all this needs testing. That's why I was sending small amounts to everybody to encourage more affiliates to join Anonymous Ads, and that probably answers your question Smiley

1045  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] btcurl.com (alpha): bitcoinize your url! (simple affiliate program) on: February 02, 2012, 08:17:21 AM
The fact that payments have to go through a third party is a bit worrisome.

Actually you don't need to send payments through a third party. You can pay according to csv data yourself.

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I'm looking forward to client side software that allows visitors donate directly to those content creators from which they consume in proportion to their consumption. Ideally, a browser addon that works with embedded addresses in the content that keeps track of how many times you visit a webpage or watch a video, and then gives you hard data about what you consume, how often, and gives an address to send to. No third parties required to transact, or even raise privacy questions with.

So, instead of helping site owners to attract new visitors and to pay for it, you want to help visitors to donate for the services they use the most? I like the idea and donation-better-than-taxation approach! I don't know how to create browser addons yet, but maybe it's a good reason to learn  Smiley
1046  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Do you own a bitcoin business? If so... on: February 02, 2012, 05:00:16 AM
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I'm not the Marketing Director for Bitcoin Magazine, but I'd say that we want to stay away from anything any more complicated than direct referrals.

Do you mean something like btcurl.com?
1047  Bitcoin / Project Development / [ANN] btcurl.com: bitcoinize your url! (simple affiliate program + free btc) on: February 02, 2012, 04:10:18 AM
This service is a simple affiliate program for your site. No registration needed. Just publish the link of the form:

Code:
http://btcurl.com?url=<your url>&partner=<bitcoin address>

Users that click this link are redirected to <your url> and their unique visits are counted for <bitcoin address>. Everybody can replace <bitcoin address> with his/her own address to become affiliate. You can pay for attracted visitors with the link:

Code:
http://btcrelay.com?url=http://btcurl.com/visitors/unpaid?url=<your url>

If you don't hate frames, publish the link of the form:

Code:
http://btcurl.com?url=<your url>&frame&partner=<bitcoin address>

It enables visitors to submit their bitcoin addresses (see example). Each submitted address counts for both visitor and affiliate. Use the following link to pay for attracted affiliates:

Code:
http://btcrelay.com?url=http://btcurl.com/affiliates/unpaid?url=<your url>

You might want to create a periodic paylist at btcrelay. Note: you won't be able to edit it, but you can always create a new one  via modifying <your url> (e.g. appending it with "#<someid>").

Link: btcurl.com
1048  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Digg/Reddit like News site. Voting is based on Bitcoins! on: January 31, 2012, 10:57:09 AM
I know that plenty of people don't dig the style for the site (I have no eye for design). If you have a keen eye for style, feel free to submit changes to the css on this forum. If I like the looks I will incorporate them.

Why not make a hand cursor at http://coinsmack.com/submit?

I'd add something like ".submit_type_button { cursor:pointer; }" to the stylesheet.
1049  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] btcrelay.com (alpha): one address for weighted list of recipients on: January 28, 2012, 03:49:31 AM
New feature: paylist info in json format.

Yet another way to organize payment reception and withdrawals without having bitcoind and the list of pregenerated bitcoin addresses on your web server.

Receive funds:

1. Create a text file with your bitcoin address (or addresses) on your web-server
2. Add "Pay" button to your website, which should open in new browser window URL of the following form:
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http://btcrelay.com/paylist?url=<url of that text file>?<some id>&description=<message for your user>
(where <some id> will be used to distinguish your users, don't forget to save it somewhere; you can also use  "&hide=1" to make the paylist hidden by default)

Thus your users will be able to generate a deposit address and to send funds to it.  Once payments are confirmed, you receive them to your bitcoin address (or addresses) specified at step 1.

Since you know <some id>, you can easily get amount of bitcoins deposited by each user in JSON format:
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http://btcrelay.com/paylist?url=<url of that text file>?<some id>&json

Send funds:

1. Create or generate CSV-file with 2 columns: <withdrawal address>, <amount of satoshies to be sent> on your web-server
2. Feed URL of that script to btcrelay and send funds to the provided address
1050  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: 105% PPS "Project #2" Don't pay a fee to mine! Get paid 5% on: January 28, 2012, 02:19:13 AM
Yes, .5BTC and 1 time a day now.

Honestly if you can't work in that range you should not be working with us.   I was making payments at .002BTC. Not worth the time or effort since I do all this by hand:/

Thx

Why do you do it by hand? You can make a csv table with 2 columns: <withdrawal address>, <amount of satoshi's to send> and feed it to btcrelay.com Wink
1051  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: get 0.01 btc for embedding the code which allows to earn more on: January 27, 2012, 02:31:52 AM
There are cases where images are not possible: you already noticed that the forum here doesn't allow images in signatures anymore. Also if you plan to add a link into your email signature, remote images are usually blocked.

You are right, I am going to add simple text links.

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So if an affiliate with a big site joins, he would more or less constantly receive 0.01btc transactions?

Yes, this should be expected (but it depends on how much advertisers pay and how their payments appear in blocks). Is it good or bad? Smiley

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The transparency sure is an interesting part of it. But I think you'll have to deal with users who would like to make changes to their account. It can still be anonymous though: just require users to sign up with a Bitcoin address plus a password which is stored as a salted SHA512. Publishing those checksums might still be risky though.

This could be a solution. But here are some issues:
1) allowing to modify information is always a security risk
2) if users get used to control their accounts, then "password recovery" feature would be required... that means the system would have to store emails or other private data
3) some of the internal algorithms rely on the assumption that user data is constant.. so would need to rewrite it

So, it is an open question if it is worth of implementing..  Maybe should hide the database backups and allow to specify email & password, because it is convenient sometimes to change something or to have email notifications.
1052  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: get 0.01 btc for embedding the code which allows to earn more on: January 25, 2012, 11:48:59 PM
Thanks for your questions and feedback!

Can affiliates use text-only links too, or is it required to display the image? For example: <a href='http://anonymousads.com/...'>Take a look</a>

If we are talking about BBCode, then image is important: it shows the ad to the visitor and saves relay id in browser's cookie, thus allowing redirection to that particular ad. Without an image, a text link would redirect to random advertiser's site (this option is not supported though, is there any sense in it?).

If you are an affiliate with withdrawal address (for example) 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo, then...

1. You can achieve somewhat similar effect using this code:

Code:
[url=http://anonymousads.com/a/1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo]Take a look at random ad connected to affiliate 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo[/url]

2. You can use text link of undocumented Anonymous Ads referral system, for example:
Code:
[url=http://anonymousads.com?partner=1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo]Advertise with Anonymous Ads, and 10% of your deposits will go to affiliate 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo[/url]

3. You can go to http://anonymousads.com/a/<affiliate's withdrawal address>, see the ad and copy link from it, would be something like that:
Code:
[url=http://anonymousads.com/a/182/click]Btcrelay.com for affiliate 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo

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How are withdrawals triggered? Will the affiliate receive a transaction as soon as the 0.011 are reached? Or once a day/week/month?

They are triggered automatically as soon as 0.011 is confirmed (or maybe with delay of several minutes). Though it can be changed in future to minimize or even remove withdrawal fees. Added hints to the affiliate's page.

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Affiliates could e.g. edit the filtration level without having to change every published ad. They also could trigger a payout manually.

It kinda contradicts idea of secure anonymous service with public database backups. Though maybe this idea is not as important as user experience.

Affiliates can register individual account for each site so that they can distinguish stats and set appropriate filtration levels. I think filtration level depends on site's target group, which doesn't change too often.
1053  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: 0.01 btc for BBCode in your signature (allows earning more) on: January 25, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
It seems images are disallowed in signatures?

Why do you think so? I have couple images in my signature...
They were "grandfathered in" - if you modify your sig, they will disappear. New images are not allowed.

Wow. Thanks, you are right. Just found a thread about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51077.0

Ok.. If images are not allowed here, then just give me a link to some other forum, site or blog with embedded affiliate code (updated the original post).
1054  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: 0.01 btc for BBCode in your signature (allows earning more) on: January 25, 2012, 04:49:49 PM
It seems images are disallowed in signatures?

Why do you think so? I have couple images in my signature...
1055  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads: 0.01 btc for BBCode in your signature (allows earning more) on: January 25, 2012, 10:06:16 AM
I feel like I need more affiliates to test the system and to attract advertisers. That's why I am starting this little promotion:
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2012-01-25 promotion (one time-per-person offer):

Before I strikeout this text, please do the following:
1) get registered as affiliate at Anonysmous Ads
2) put provided BBCode into your forum signature (=start earning)
3) if you do not earn 0.01 btc for 48 hours - let me know, I will fix it

Optional: use your code on other forums, blogs, sites, emails - spread the word about bitcoin and monetize your content.



Would be thankful for your participation Smiley
1056  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] btcrelay.com (alpha): one address for weighted list of recipients on: January 25, 2012, 09:30:25 AM
Send email when coins are deposited and/or withdrawn. In this way it will work as simple payment notification when user does not have running bitcoin client all the time. In the email there should be also the link to the playlist and link for cancellation of email notifications for this playlist.

I've implemented it. If user specifies email address upon paylist creation, he/she will be notified when deposits are confirmed. If he/she unsubscribes, then email address will be irreversibly deleted from the database record associated with that paylist.

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I'm working on Stratum server (stratum.bitcoin.cz) which will allow easy development of applications with features like this, but it isn't ready at this moment. However I'll tell you when the platform will be ready enough, maybe you will be interested :-).

Great, thanks! Sometimes it is quite frustrating not to have enough control over wallet and transactions Smiley
1057  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads - bitcoin advertising network: place ads or get code and earn! on: January 25, 2012, 09:08:17 AM
I allowed myself to add "?partner=" to URLs of couple of ads so that they remain valid after the system appends it with bitcoin address. I don't want to do it all the time. Probably will need to make some mechanism of adding it automatically if advertiser forgets to.

Ok.. I've implemented this mechanism (not the ultimate solution, but works). Now ad can't be created until Anonymous Ads successfully fetches its link.
1058  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Anonymous Ads - bitcoin advertising network: place ads or get code and earn! on: January 25, 2012, 08:57:44 AM
I like the no graphics page Smiley
Now if we can convince the bitcoin sportsbook sites to reg here and pay affiliates I can seed a thousand sports streaming sites with bet now ads

Wow, great!

Btw, if you are a registered affiliate of Anonymous Ads and you invite advertiser with link
Code:
http://anonymousads.com?partner=<affiliate's withdrawal address>
, and that advertiser creates an ad, then you get 10% of all money deposited to its deposit address lifetime.

This feature is somewhat hidden yet since it needs some additional work on testing, documenting and reporting, but seems to be working.
1059  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Digg/Reddit like clone where voting is based on bitcoins on: January 24, 2012, 01:17:29 AM
The problem is that you will end up running an ads-only website. Companies will literally pay to put their brand on top and the interesting content will probably end up at the bottom.

yet another million dollar page? I'd like to have one Smiley
1060  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Digg/Reddit like clone where voting is based on bitcoins on: January 24, 2012, 01:13:48 AM
Great, clean and easy to use site! I wanted to do something similar too Smiley

Btw, I'd add something like ".submit_type_button { cursor:pointer; }" to the stylesheet.
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