I guess it's like cyclists, you develop a hatred for the object that enables these people to act like specialised douchebags, I think I suddenly understand why gun control advocates hate guns so much, there seem to be specific objects out there that bring out the worst in some people  . More like there is a certain group of people that imbue magical powers into objects. FirstAscent is a gun-control nut, too. Actually, to put it bluntly, the problem in America is 300 million guns. I know you want to make that number 500 million pushing one billion, because you think that's actually going to improve the situation. Obviously, if 300 million guns can't solve the problem, one billion won't either. Here's a clue: the problem is 300 million guns. See what I mean? He blames the guns, not the people who have them. Incorrect. I stated that the problem is the quantity of guns, which is a direct result of laws, policies, lobbying and culture. A perfect and beautiful example would be your interest in more guns, rather than less. |
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I guess it's like cyclists, you develop a hatred for the object that enables these people to act like specialised douchebags, I think I suddenly understand why gun control advocates hate guns so much, there seem to be specific objects out there that bring out the worst in some people . More like there is a certain group of people that imbue magical powers into objects. FirstAscent is a gun-control nut, too. Actually, to put it bluntly, the problem in America is 300 million guns. I know you want to make that number 500 million pushing one billion, because you think that's actually going to improve the situation. Obviously, if 300 million guns can't solve the problem, one billion won't either. Here's a clue: the problem is 300 million guns. |
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So, your problem is actually with gardening crews, not leafblowers?
Funny how you fail to see that a discussion of gardening crews, or a discussion about individuals who use leafblowers all the time would have little to no meaning regarding the use of leafblowers without the subject at hand actually being the object known as a leafblower. |
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I would assume that leafblowers are a once/twice/trice a year thing most places. Using it at a regular basis would be misuse of an excellent tool for it's job.
I don't know what planet is that?! Must be really quiet there. Exactly. It looks like Malawi is in agreement with me on principle. He's just short of some knowledge about the real world. If that principle is that leafblowers are a great tool for it's job, but that they can be overused, then yes. I tend to spend most of my time in the real world and at the same planet as the rest, and I live in an area where most people have a fairly large garden. But I'm not really bothered when someone fires up their chainsaw, leafblower or whatnot - its part of life. We've already been over chainsaws and how people aren't bothered by them. And we're clear that you think frequent regular use of a leafblower is overuse. It's also a fact that leafblowers are actually used frequently and regularly, often once a week or biweekly in suburban residential areas of single family detached homes at nearly every home in which a gardening crew is hired (which is a large percentage of homes), and up to twice a week in condo and apartment complexes and light industrial complexes and technology parks. |
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I would assume that leafblowers are a once/twice/trice a year thing most places. Using it at a regular basis would be misuse of an excellent tool for it's job.
I don't know what planet is that?! Must be really quiet there. Exactly. It looks like Malawi is in agreement with me on principle. He's just short of some knowledge about the real world. |
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The differences are obvious. Most jobs utilizing chippers, chainsaws, or jackhammers are one time jobs, not weekly, or even more frequently.
People are much more willing to forgive the disturbance which occurs with one time jobs than regular maintenance type jobs.
And people are more likely to use a labor-saving device for jobs that they have to do regularly. It doesn't change the fact that people are very annoyed by, specifically, leaf blowers, and often don't find the regular disturbance they cause to be justified. Missing the point again, I see. Really, I find it rather funny that you can't find the closer analogy to the leaf blower. It's the gas powered lawn mower. And yet, even that analogy fails completely. Why? Because no matter how close the analogy gets, it doesn't change the simple fact: People accept lawn mowers. But they don't really accept leaf blowers. You can throw your analysis at the situation all you want, but you can't change those facts. |
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The differences are obvious. Most jobs utilizing chippers, chainsaws, or jackhammers are one time jobs, not weekly, or even more frequently.
People are much more willing to forgive the disturbance which occurs with one time jobs than regular maintenance type jobs.
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The chipper/shredder is fine, but the leaf-blower GOES TOO FAR!!!
Funny how in your attempt at sarcasm, you actually capture the truth, and yet you don't understand why. If you start to think about jobs requiring chippers, chainsaws and jackhammers, you might see the difference. I have a large number of branches from the recent storm that I could use a chipper for, though I could just haul them off as-is, that seems like a bit of a waste. There's a log and a few stumps that I'll pretty much need to use a chainsaw to clear out an axe would eventually get the job done, but again, a waste of time. If I want to put in a new patio, I'm going to need a jackhammer to remove the old concrete slab. I suppose I could get it done with a sledge, but that's a lot of back-breaking labor. If my yard is covered in leaves, a blower will get it cleaned up a whole lot faster than a rake. In other words, the jobs that those tools are designed for are all things I might need to do in my own yard. And they are all labor-saving devices. You don't get it, even when you need to use the tools at hand. What is the difference between the typical jobs requiring chippers, chainsaws, and jackhammers vs. leaf blowers? |
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The chipper/shredder is fine, but the leaf-blower GOES TOO FAR!!!
Funny how in your attempt at sarcasm, you actually capture the truth, and yet you don't understand why. If you start to think about jobs requiring chippers, chainsaws and jackhammers, you might see the difference. |
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Your analogy fails due to the matter of degree.
Then consider lawnmowers, grinders, chainsaws, branch-mulchers and other gasolin or electric powered tools that simplify tasks that might as well be done by hand, and make a bit of noise (preferably outdoors). Not to mention those large stone hammer-drills. I can consider those, and I can and do accept them. Accepting some does not make another acceptable. |
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We were about 5-6 persons, and the leaf-blower more than halved the time it would otherwise have taken to remove the leafs.
So what if it halved the time? You can halve the time of grocery shopping by careening around the store with your shopping cart pushing people aside everywhere you go. You can halve the time of cooking by ignoring some ingredients and not cleaning up after yourself. In other words, certain things need to be done right. And doing things right takes more time. I guess the reality of the situation is that gardening and cleanup actually costs more because the proper way takes more time. But that's just the way it is, because halving the time with a leaf blower isn't really an acceptable way to do the job. Plain and simple. You can even more than halve the time of transporting the goods to the shop by using a large truck. But I guess Wheelbarrows are the correct way. Not to mention those pesky digger, we have shovels for a reason. Did you see anyone complaining about large trucks here? Because I didn't. I think large trucks are too loud. Now there is one. It's not as hard to do a little complaining as one might think. We are talking about utility vs negative impact here, and it's only natural to bring in other examples. If you think the truck analogy is wrong, then say so and reason why. Don't just go "nobody have mentioned that particular example earlier in the tread." And BTW - I used that analogy because it's related to your poor shopping analogy. People aren't complaining about large trucks vs. a line of 100 men pushing wheelbarrows down the highway for 20 miles. But they do seem to complain about leaf blowers vs. rakes. If someone else besides you puts forth the complaint about trucks in earnest, rather than as choosing to be a stupid clown, then you might have a point. EDIT: I reread your post, and it's even worse than I thought. You're implying wheelbarrows are a stupid solution, which is absolutely correct, and thus renders your point absurd. You agree trucks are the better solution, which is counter to your recent complaint about trucks. Ergo, you have no point. You don't see the point in that one have to tolerate some discomfort if the alternative would be much more costly and labour intensive? The wheelbarrow example is meant to be absurd to highlight other discomforts we put up with because we understand that they make our lives better. Your analogy fails due to the matter of degree. |
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We were about 5-6 persons, and the leaf-blower more than halved the time it would otherwise have taken to remove the leafs.
So what if it halved the time? You can halve the time of grocery shopping by careening around the store with your shopping cart pushing people aside everywhere you go. You can halve the time of cooking by ignoring some ingredients and not cleaning up after yourself. In other words, certain things need to be done right. And doing things right takes more time. I guess the reality of the situation is that gardening and cleanup actually costs more because the proper way takes more time. But that's just the way it is, because halving the time with a leaf blower isn't really an acceptable way to do the job. Plain and simple. You can even more than halve the time of transporting the goods to the shop by using a large truck. But I guess Wheelbarrows are the correct way. Not to mention those pesky digger, we have shovels for a reason. Did you see anyone complaining about large trucks here? Because I didn't. I think large trucks are too loud. Now there is one. It's not as hard to do a little complaining as one might think. We are talking about utility vs negative impact here, and it's only natural to bring in other examples. If you think the truck analogy is wrong, then say so and reason why. Don't just go "nobody have mentioned that particular example earlier in the tread." And BTW - I used that analogy because it's related to your poor shopping analogy. People aren't complaining about large trucks vs. a line of 100 men pushing wheelbarrows down the highway for 20 miles. But they do seem to complain about leaf blowers vs. rakes. If someone else besides you puts forth the complaint about trucks in earnest, rather than as choosing to be a stupid clown, then you might have a point. EDIT: I reread your post, and it's even worse than I thought. You're implying wheelbarrows are a stupid solution, which is absolutely correct, and thus renders your point absurd. You agree trucks are the better solution, which is counter to your recent complaint about trucks. Ergo, you have no point. |
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We were about 5-6 persons, and the leaf-blower more than halved the time it would otherwise have taken to remove the leafs.
So what if it halved the time? You can halve the time of grocery shopping by careening around the store with your shopping cart pushing people aside everywhere you go. You can halve the time of cooking by ignoring some ingredients and not cleaning up after yourself. In other words, certain things need to be done right. And doing things right takes more time. I guess the reality of the situation is that gardening and cleanup actually costs more because the proper way takes more time. But that's just the way it is, because halving the time with a leaf blower isn't really an acceptable way to do the job. Plain and simple. You can even more than halve the time of transporting the goods to the shop by using a large truck. But I guess Wheelbarrows are the correct way. Not to mention those pesky digger, we have shovels for a reason. Did you see anyone complaining about large trucks here? Because I didn't. |
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What should be said here and hasn't so far is that there is right tool for every job, and a leaf blower is an industrial solution being abused as a consumer one.
Ummm, no. It's not the consumers who are the problem. It's the landscaping and gardening crews who use them regularly in residential areas, often condo and apartment complexes. |
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We were about 5-6 persons, and the leaf-blower more than halved the time it would otherwise have taken to remove the leafs.
So what if it halved the time? You can halve the time of grocery shopping by careening around the store with your shopping cart pushing people aside everywhere you go. You can halve the time of cooking by ignoring some ingredients and not cleaning up after yourself. In other words, certain things need to be done right. And doing things right takes more time. I guess the reality of the situation is that gardening and cleanup actually costs more because the proper way takes more time. But that's just the way it is, because halving the time with a leaf blower isn't really an acceptable way to do the job. Plain and simple. |
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They're loud. They stink like gasoline fumes. They create dust (lots of it). They're just plain wrong.
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Still - It's apparently meant for US eyes only.
Really? I don't think history indicates that. It's Hulu who indicates that  Oh. I guess you meant the regions in which Hulu streams. I thought you meant historically the intended audience. |
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I didn't even know they made this into a movie! I love the book. Will watch tomorrow.  Kobo Abe (author of Woman in the Dunes) and Hiroshi Teshigahara (director) partnered heavily on three films. It wasn't as if a director decided to adapt a book. They were a team and made three films together. Amongst cinephiles, their work is highly regarded. More info here: http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/607-the-spectral-landscape-of-teshigahara-abe-and-takemitsuThe Face of Another was also created by them. Watch it. |
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Still - It's apparently meant for US eyes only.
Really? I don't think history indicates that. |
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Let me explain. FirstAscent seems to have Asperger syndrome, and the particular form his takes is movies. Some aspies love trains, some love horses, some love computers. But whatever the object of obsession is, they assume everyone has, or, by god, should have, that same obsession. Everyone should love the same things they do, and to the same degree, and anyone who doesn't, is wrong.
He literally can't understand why you don't feel the same way about that movie that he does.
I take it you two are well acquainted ?  Not hardly. But he does like stalking me into threads in which he has no interest. How ironic that an individual with 10,500+ posts in an Internet forum, mostly all about a his obsessive social views, should provide negative commentary on the passionate interests of others. Cool picture, by the way. The movie is a little depressing. I mentioned The Face of Another by the same director. I can't comment on whether you'd like it or not. Other Japanese New Wave titles that have some elements of a depressing theme in them are Pale Flower ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOOr4nuWFqU ), Thirst for Love, and The Warped Ones. Other directors, such as Kenji Mizoguchi, Mikio Naruse and Keisuke Kinoshita like to explore the plight of women within society, and those themes can be a little depressing as well. Try Sansho the Bailiff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=076MrMynyak |
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