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10461  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Satoshi Dice -- Statistical Analysis on: August 14, 2012, 07:18:22 PM
My Internet was cut off suddenly a few days ago.  I'm back online at least part of the time now, so here it is...

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Results: 2012-Aug-14 11:59am (up to block 193899)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |       Win        |  Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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 1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |    13695 |      0 (0.00000) |  13400 |     295 |      85.54 |       0.01 |    20.81 |     85.52 |   0.023
 1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |     1203 |      0 (0.00000) |   1133 |      70 |      18.35 |       0.00 |     5.58 |     18.35 |   0.010
 1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |     1775 |      0 (0.00000) |   1741 |      34 |      21.78 |       0.02 |     2.22 |     21.76 |   0.100
 1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |     1820 |      1 (0.00056) |   1778 |      41 |      37.99 |       8.05 |     4.15 |     29.94 |  21.199
 1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |     2010 |      1 (0.00051) |   1975 |      34 |      71.08 |       4.20 |     7.40 |     66.88 |   5.914
 1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |     4522 |      2 (0.00044) |   4509 |      11 |     345.02 |     103.35 |     1.29 |    241.67 |  29.955
 1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |     6383 |      8 (0.00126) |   6358 |      17 |     477.26 |     123.82 |    55.64 |    353.43 |  25.945
 1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |     7767 |     18 (0.00233) |   7699 |      50 |    1375.20 |    1224.04 |    44.25 |    151.16 |  89.008
 1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |     7136 |     38 (0.00534) |   7084 |      14 |     792.68 |     949.70 |    13.11 |   -157.02 | 119.810
 1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    10298 |     77 (0.00748) |  10214 |       7 |    1876.53 |    1276.43 |     9.35 |    600.09 |  68.021
 1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |    19983 |    301 (0.01507) |  19677 |       5 |    5368.64 |    5554.03 |     1.80 |   -185.39 | 103.453
 1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    10069 |    237 (0.02355) |   9826 |       6 |    3372.00 |    3781.72 |    15.00 |   -409.72 | 112.151
 1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |    18787 |    593 (0.03157) |  18191 |       3 |    4168.11 |    3606.48 |     9.24 |    561.63 |  86.525
 1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    10457 |    494 (0.04727) |   9956 |       7 |    5528.48 |    7013.31 |    24.99 |  -1484.83 | 126.858
 1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    12237 |    766 (0.06261) |  11468 |       3 |    3806.96 |    3452.39 |    31.20 |    354.56 |  90.686
 1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    17876 |   1686 (0.09437) |  16180 |      10 |    9217.35 |    9378.37 |     7.01 |   -161.02 | 101.747
 1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |    66910 |   8200 (0.12258) |  58694 |      16 |    7800.94 |    6889.62 |     0.00 |    911.31 |  88.318
 1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |    17960 |   3394 (0.18905) |  14559 |       7 |    7377.97 |    7502.93 |    14.50 |   -124.96 | 101.694
 1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |    50663 |  12294 (0.24270) |  38361 |       8 |   20807.22 |   21054.65 |   347.79 |   -247.42 | 101.189
 1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |    36267 |  13386 (0.36944) |  22847 |      34 |   16767.77 |   16762.60 |   212.63 |      5.16 |  99.969
 1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |   371308 | 181021 (0.48774) | 190125 |     162 |  162822.30 |  164030.82 |  2173.21 |  -1208.51 | 100.742
 1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   150041 |  74722 (0.49832) |  75225 |      94 |   70265.59 |   68443.91 |   789.20 |   1821.68 |  97.407
 1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   121186 |  89165 (0.73618) |  31954 |      67 |  112702.31 |  110919.59 |   467.98 |   1782.72 |  98.418
 1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |     5831 |   4645 (0.79701) |   1183 |       3 |   15841.95 |   15732.04 |   400.00 |    109.91 |  99.306
 1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |     4101 |   3513 (0.85767) |    583 |       5 |    4937.68 |    4907.82 |   400.00 |     29.85 |  99.395
 1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |     1799 |   1652 (0.92033) |    143 |       4 |    2390.68 |    2383.98 |     0.00 |      6.70 |  99.720
 1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |     6477 |   6216 (0.97936) |    131 |     130 |   14701.69 |   14424.53 |   239.20 |    277.16 |  98.115
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                                |   978561 | 402430           | 574994 |    1137 |  472979.21 |  469528.56 |  5297.66 |   3450.65 |  99.270
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SD Profit before fees:       3450.65317360 BTC (0.730%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:         492.73067500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:        2957.92249860 BTC (0.625%)
----
Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx:  3080464  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 1803823  (58.6%)
Blockchain MB:  1286.1  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 737.9  (57.4%)

10462  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Satoshi Dice -- Statistical Analysis on: August 14, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
I see there's never been a "less than 1" winner (magic number of zero); could you check and see if there's ever been a magic number that came up zero (a bet in another category that could have won big if it had been bet on less than 1)?

That's non-trivial to check, but I'll give it a go.  The magic numbers aren't stored in the blockchain, so I'll need to grab a copy of the daily secrets from SD's site and calculate the lucky number for each bet.  I'll report back when I've done it.
10463  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Satoshi Dice -- Statistical Analysis on: August 14, 2012, 07:12:01 PM
Can your script count how often satoshidice gives 1x Lose in a row, 2x Lose in a row, 3x Lose in a row... and so on, in order to know if a martingale scheeme would be aplicable? Smiley

That's kind of tricky.  Because you mean "3 times in a row for the same player" I expect.  But I can't tell which bets are from which players, since some people use a different address each time they bet.  I also can't tell for sure what order the bets were placed in - all I see is which block they are in.

One thing I can tell you for sure though is that the martingale scheme is never applicable for any game where the odds are in the house's favour...  All martingale betting will do is change the odds so that instead of having a large (1 in 2) chance of losing a little ($1), you have a little (1 in 2048) chance of losing a lot ($1024).

Also, we know the exact odds for each of the SatoshiDice bets, and so can work out how often we get N losses in a row:

For the "under X" game, where X is a number between 1 and 64000, the probability of winning an individual bet is X/65536.

So the probability of losing an individual bet is (65536-X)/65536.

And so the probability of losing N bets in a row is ((65536-X)/65536)^N.


To give a concrete example, the probability of losing 3 times in a row (N=3) when betting 'under 32000' (X=32000) is:

   ((65536-X)/65536)^N
= ((65536-32000)/65536)^3
= 0.134

that's about 1 in 7.46287 times.


Another example: the probabiliy of losing 3 times in a row (N=3) when betting 'under 32768' (X=32768) is:

   ((65536-X)/65536)^N
= ((65536-32768)/65536)^3
= 0.125

that's exactly 1 in 8 times.  Which is what you would expect; 'under 32768' is exactly a 50/50 bet, so there's 8 possible outcomes when you play 3 times, and only 1 of those 8 is "lose, lose, lose".
10464  Other / Meta / Re: Watchlist on: August 14, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
I was just offline for 4 days while moving house.  When I got back online, all my bitcointalk tabs were saying "session verification error" and telling me that I should log out and back in.  I did so, then checked my watchlist, expecting to see 20 or 30 threads that I needed to catch up on.  Instead there were only 2 threads shown, and they both had posts in the last couple of minutes.

Is there some way of getting the watchlist to show all the threads I'm watching that have had new posts since I last read them?

I don't know if it's the change of IP address, the delay between logins, or some error that has caused this, but I've come to rely on the watchlist instead of subscribing to threads the old way, and now it has let me down...
10465  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I made 100BTC with Satoshi's dice. Is this normal? on: August 10, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
Just wondering - if their blackjack was beatable - did you clean them out?  If not....why not?  Grin

I didn't clean them out, because I liked the site and didn't want it to fail.

I played for the minimum stakes of 10c-$5 rather than the bigger tables, and ended up only winning about $300.  I taught my girlfriend how to count too, and she won about the same amount.  That wasn't all on blackjack; some of it was on the weekend tournaments which were also "beatable" in a way - there was a $20 or so prize for winning the most each weekend which made some high stake 50-50 roulette bets really worth playing.

Then the owner of the site banned us both, and all my friends.  He started making crazy accusations, like that my girlfriend didn't exist even though he had spoken to us both on Skype already.  It was funny because he knew we were counting cards all along, and kept telling us we were doing it wrong.  I'm still not clear why we were banned.  The owner has admitted that neither of us broke the site's terms and conditions.  But I reported a lot of bugs, and I think the owner took it personally, rather than seeing it as my attempt to help him fix his site.

I kind of wish now that I had cleaned them out, but at the time I thought the owner was a decent guy and wanted to see his business really take off.  Now, not so much.
10466  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is there a way to find if two addresses come from the same wallet? on: August 09, 2012, 07:19:52 AM
You're mixing up accounts and addresses.

You can use sendfrom to send from a particular account, but that doesn't change which adress(es) the payment comes from.  The concept of 'accounts' is purely accounting within your local client and doesn't affect the generated transactions at all.

If you want to send from a specific address rather than an account, you can combine it with setaccount.

I really think you're mistaken.  'bitcoind sendfrom' doesn't do what you think it does.  It debits the specified account, but uses whichever unspent outputs in your wallet fit the spent amount best* no matter which address 'owns' them.

* for a particular and somewhat weird definition of 'best'
10467  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: August 09, 2012, 07:11:20 AM
I don't run Armory itself though.

Just out of curiosity:  why not? 

As I understand it, I either run the satoshi client, or I run the satoshi client plus armory.

The former seems the simpler option to me.  It's not like armory is an alternative, it's an add-on.  Am I right?
10468  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Satoshidice help on: August 09, 2012, 02:37:10 AM
Thanks for answering this post Dooglus. OP - if there are any still left that are not coming through, please PM me. I apologize for the lack of delay, I need to check the Newbie section more often!

No problem.

And there was no lack of delay.  Wink
10469  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: August 09, 2012, 02:23:40 AM
Request for comments:

Any problems experienced by anyone with 0.82.2?  (besides wachtwood's networking issue)

Just want to know if I should have any reservations uploading the installers as-is to github and doing an official release.

I've been using the 'logger' branch from the git repository, rather than a 0.82.2 download, and it works for me running my modified SatoshiDice analysis script.

I don't run Armory itself though.
10470  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Satoshi Dice -- Statistical Analysis on: August 09, 2012, 02:22:12 AM
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Results: 2012-Aug-08 06:36pm (up to block 192949)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |       Win        |  Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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 1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |    13149 |      0 (0.00000) |  12859 |     290 |      83.07 |       0.01 |    18.79 |     83.05 |   0.023
 1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |     1171 |      0 (0.00000) |   1101 |      70 |      17.60 |       0.00 |     5.58 |     17.60 |   0.010
 1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |     1730 |      0 (0.00000) |   1696 |      34 |      20.76 |       0.02 |     2.22 |     20.74 |   0.103
 1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |     1476 |      1 (0.00070) |   1434 |      41 |      34.40 |       8.05 |     4.15 |     26.34 |  23.409
 1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |     1715 |      1 (0.00059) |   1681 |      33 |      67.45 |       4.19 |     7.40 |     63.25 |   6.225
 1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |     4156 |      2 (0.00048) |   4143 |      11 |     300.84 |     103.17 |     1.29 |    197.66 |  34.296
 1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |     5995 |      8 (0.00134) |   5970 |      17 |     468.34 |     123.82 |    55.64 |    344.52 |  26.438
 1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |     6979 |     17 (0.00245) |   6912 |      50 |    1324.63 |    1174.06 |    44.25 |    150.56 |  88.633
 1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |     6159 |     30 (0.00488) |   6115 |      14 |     690.19 |     797.15 |    13.11 |   -106.95 | 115.497
 1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |     9251 |     67 (0.00725) |   9177 |       7 |    1779.82 |    1185.14 |     9.35 |    594.68 |  66.588
 1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |    18493 |    277 (0.01498) |  18212 |       4 |    5189.58 |    5420.17 |     1.80 |   -230.59 | 104.443
 1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |     9083 |    213 (0.02347) |   8864 |       6 |    3262.74 |    3674.52 |    15.00 |   -411.77 | 112.621
 1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |    17517 |    553 (0.03157) |  16961 |       3 |    3926.09 |    3438.71 |     9.24 |    487.38 |  87.586
 1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |     9171 |    436 (0.04758) |   8728 |       7 |    5319.25 |    6813.92 |    24.99 |  -1494.67 | 128.099
 1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    10492 |    651 (0.06207) |   9838 |       3 |    3608.59 |    3263.60 |    31.20 |    344.98 |  90.440
 1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    17343 |   1641 (0.09467) |  15692 |      10 |    9115.34 |    9286.02 |     7.01 |   -170.68 | 101.872
 1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |    52728 |   6496 (0.12324) |  46216 |      16 |    7381.08 |    6498.92 |     0.00 |    882.16 |  88.048
 1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |    17715 |   3362 (0.18985) |  14347 |       6 |    7195.82 |    7439.00 |    14.50 |   -243.17 | 103.379
 1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |    49730 |  12079 (0.24293) |  37643 |       8 |   20580.97 |   20886.13 |   347.79 |   -305.16 | 101.483
 1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |    35323 |  13045 (0.36966) |  22244 |      34 |   16168.38 |   16096.02 |   212.63 |     72.35 |  99.553
 1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |   355781 | 173417 (0.48764) | 182205 |     159 |  149956.85 |  150937.67 |  2173.21 |   -980.82 | 100.654
 1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   145954 |  72752 (0.49878) |  73109 |      93 |   65012.04 |   63191.38 |   789.20 |   1820.65 |  97.200
 1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   113801 |  83715 (0.73605) |  30021 |      65 |  105920.36 |  104439.85 |   467.98 |   1480.50 |  98.602
 1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |     3326 |   2638 (0.79386) |    685 |       3 |   11836.88 |   11995.66 |   400.00 |   -158.77 | 101.341
 1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |     2638 |   2232 (0.84770) |    401 |       5 |    3971.97 |    3976.34 |   400.00 |     -4.36 | 100.110
 1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |     1006 |    915 (0.91317) |     87 |       4 |     779.16 |     765.95 |     0.00 |     13.21 |  98.304
 1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |     6296 |   6037 (0.97908) |    129 |     130 |   11012.15 |   10830.59 |   239.20 |    181.55 |  98.351
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                                |   918178 | 380585           | 536470 |    1123 |  435024.47 |  432350.19 |  5295.64 |   2674.28 |  99.385
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SD Profit before fees:       2674.28017103 BTC (0.615%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:         462.35527500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:        2211.92489603 BTC (0.508%)
----
Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx:  2873560  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 1694871  (59.0%)
Blockchain MB:  1204.5  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 694.8  (57.7%)

10471  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Results of dictionary attack on SHA256 hashed keys on: August 09, 2012, 01:27:57 AM
PS: Are 25 characters enough for a strong passphrase?

25 random characters is plenty.  25 letter 'a's isn't.  There's a range between these two extremes.
10472  Economy / Gambling / Re: PM Poker – True Vegas Style Poker with Bitcoin (New) on: August 09, 2012, 01:14:36 AM
Oh, and I just signed in and the whole site appears to be empty.  Player count: 1 - and I guess that includes me.
10473  Economy / Gambling / Re: PM Poker – True Vegas Style Poker with Bitcoin (New) on: August 09, 2012, 01:12:33 AM
I have two small issues with the box that pops up while updating:



The first time I saw it, my Internet was being slow, the progress number wasn't updating.  I'm not even sure if it said 0%, or if it was missing entirely.  I read the message as "Downloading update.  Completed, please wait...".  i.e. I thought it had already completed, when it really hadn't even started.  The capital 'C' on 'Completed' makes it look like a new sentence.

Also, I'd like to see the total size of the download, rather than just a percentage.  I pay by the megabyte for Internet traffic, so don't like to download updates of unknown sizes.
10474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [1btc reward] PHP RPC commands freezing bitcoin [at same time as a new block] on: August 09, 2012, 01:03:37 AM
I just noticed bitcoin-qt is using 100% CPU.  It's still responsive, but it's a start...

That was probably a red herring.  I was running 'bitcoin-qt -noconnect' to stop it connecting to any peers.  That seems to be what causes the 100% CPU usage, whether I use your wallet or mine.

Yeah - that was unrelated.  Giving bitcoin-qt the -noconnect flag causes the CPU to go to 100% for everyone, I guess.  I reported it, and provided a fix:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1664

So I'm back to not being able to reproduce your problem.  I doubt that broadcasting the transactions to the network would cause a problem, but it's possible.  I guess I'd like to try with one of your bigger wallets once you're able to check them out.
10475  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [1btc reward] PHP RPC commands freezing bitcoin [at same time as a new block] on: August 09, 2012, 12:13:45 AM
I just noticed bitcoin-qt is using 100% CPU.  It's still responsive, but it's a start...

That was probably a red herring.  I was running 'bitcoin-qt -noconnect' to stop it connecting to any peers.  That seems to be what causes the 100% CPU usage, whether I use your wallet or mine.
10476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [1btc reward] PHP RPC commands freezing bitcoin [at same time as a new block] on: August 08, 2012, 11:59:25 PM
I just noticed bitcoin-qt is using 100% CPU.  It's still responsive, but it's a start...
10477  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [1btc reward] PHP RPC commands freezing bitcoin [at same time as a new block] on: August 08, 2012, 10:58:12 PM
Okay so I'm trying to make use of the PHP martingale bot that's bouncing around, and after a while the bitcoin client freezes and jsonRPC fails to connect (the client stays frozen and won't start until the whole computer is restarted) it doesn't seem to be connected to anything specific, just after a while (30 transactions on one wallet, 1800 on another) cpu use of the client hits 25% and it freezes

bitcoind freezes then crashes

I'm in windows 7 with the latest client from bitcoin.org

Anyone know how to stop this?

edit : it seems to happen when trying to use the rpc at the same time as bitcoin is downloading a block

OK, so I'm unable to reproduce this behaviour.

When I try to create a transaction that spends most of the satoshis, it very quickly selects the right coins, but then takes about 6 seconds signing all the inputs, and then fails because the maximum transaction size is apparently 100kb:

Code:
static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_SIZE = 1000000;
static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_SIZE_GEN = MAX_BLOCK_SIZE/2;

                if (nBytes >= MAX_BLOCK_SIZE_GEN/5)
                    return false;

That puts a hard limit of something like 555 inputs on a transaction, although the coin selection code makes no attempt to keep the set of selected inputs to 555 or less.

So in summary: when you try to spend more than 555 inputs at a time it fails to create the transaction after taking a relatively long time to sign all the inputs, but I'm not yet seeing and crashes or long freezes.  Any idea what I might do to provoke the failures you were seeing?
10478  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [1btc reward] PHP RPC commands freezing bitcoin [at same time as a new block] on: August 08, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
Do you have a wallet which still causes the hangups and crashes but which is empty enough to share with me?  I'd like to be able to reproduce the problem without having to make thousands of SatoshiDice bets to get there...  Smiley

I have a copy of your wallet.  It contains:

  * 2121 addresses which have been used and are currently empty,
  * 1484 which contain a single satoshi,
  * 1 address with 8 separate single satoshis, and
  * 1 address with a single 48508 satoshi coin.

I'll see if I can get the client to hang when I ask it to select coins for a transaction.
10479  Economy / Speculation / Re: This rally is a pirate bubble on: August 08, 2012, 07:27:49 PM
at that time the 7% per week interest rate made a lot of sense and was perfectly sustainable.

In a finite universe exponential growth is never perfectly sustainable.

In a system with a hard limit of 21 million bitcoins exponential growth is especially unsustainable.
10480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [1btc reward] PHP RPC commands freezing bitcoin [at same time as a new block] on: August 08, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
Just waiting on his bitcoin address

1 BTC received.  Thanks.
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