This thread was actually created for spackling the brains of people who would take their time to read through the content of the thread.
Let's say I like to be ration in thinking, most times people don't ask the real questions they just follow what the see without asking why do we follow such rules.
Most people have clearly pour out their minds to the real question and have really made some good points but some are just not really interested in the actual content.

Your expression shows you have really noticed some kind of abnormality which most people sees normal. The freedom of speech seems to be limited to some point and maybe that's where you don't really comfortable with hence have spoken up but people don't really seems to understand your point but I perfectly do which I also appreciate for speaking out rather remain quite.

You have a very good point here, I have really encounter such things but it seems to be normal but I totally disagree with such act of multiple accounts, the earlier they realize it the better for them.


This one of the reasons for this thread and i won't lock this thread for now for people who have such complains to be able to express themselves here. Such abnormalizsm exist in the gambling section but people do not complain but here you have made it clear and i believe if any mod comes across this they will look in to such issues.

Your opinion is what consideration I also think about that alot maybe they are fewer and the job is now becoming hectic for them.

Perhaps they are unfortunate for now but in less then no time they will be recognized and push to where are supposed to be.
I also appreciate your sincerity

Most times the cause of such loss is usually as a result of greed, at the time this so called gullible people seek to venture into a new thing they usually want the best out of it instead of laying low or having patience to grow in knowledge gradually they hasten to be as successful as the icons which lead them to the paradigm. As such allowing themselves to be deceived by big promises which seems to be impossible to achieve yet they believe in it.
This greed usually leads to being in a haste to profit not just little but so big. you cannot invest in Bitcoin and expect a 10x profit in 24hrs or less as the frauds usually promises the gullible people that if you invest a $100 in less than 24hrs the expert trader will give a return of $500 - $1000. at this point even if someone genuinely tries to let them know the truth that Bitcoin is not a get rich quick scheme they usually don't believe.

it's sad but every adult is responsible for their decision. letting yourself get used is probably your fault because you fail to ask questions, like why can't you that promised this can of success make use of it yourself? and also forgot that nothing good comes easily. hope experience have done it's best on you. now.


This statement is quit wrong the forum doesn't dislike the bank but doesn't vibe with the activities of the traditional banks as a result of it serving as an agency and/or institution for control of the governments. the forum doesn't disregard or undermine the services which they render but fran at the outrageous cost of services which they render. you might be saying this from your subjective reality based on what you have read or seen people in the forum talked about traditional banks but is an illusion of hatred created by those who have lost to this traditional banks.

You are contradicting everything you have said, the problem itself is what you tag as help/solution which they offer. though banks makes things easy through fiat in the current situation of buying and selling since Bitcoin is not yet recognized currency in some countries but serving as an eye to the government is what I don't appreciate about traditional banks they create a scenerio where people can be manipulated by the government, by taking away their financial freedom which Satoshi created Bitcoin for to elevate people from central control of government.

Yes Bitcoin gives full control over our money which is was the aim/goal of satoshi in creating bitcoin. the volatility of Bitcoin is not a problem rather its another opportunity which most people like me and others are benefiting from right now by buying and holding for long term and profiting during the bull run.

Even though banks will be needed in future it won't be for the same reason the governments wanted it for, it will take a new shape either by adopting Bitcoin or being a face to face bank rather completely detached institutions as it is right now for people to have trust in them.


The truth is not everyone knows how to teach, some people just talk to you about things and let you find out the rest yourself but some may go into details to teach you gradually, step by step. this are the two categories of teachers. so the first person you introduce you to Bitcoin might be from the first category that only introduces the pupils to the matter or course and let them find out things themselves but the second you took time to put you through falls in the second category.

The first category of teaches always lead to discouragement sometimes but it makes their students learn fasted and harder, we can't expect everyone to be the same but congratulations you found the forum where have learnt alot just as I am learning right now.


Though Bitcoin has come a long way in helping both the status quo poor people and status quo rich people who saw the advantages of Bitcoin but in comparison to fiat as Bitcoin is taking a global acceptance it's not what digging too much about, in a far or near future Bitcoin will be a generally accepted currency both in the rural and urban areas but in the main time it's still going to work Vice Viz with fiat and banks are going to gradually adopt it to there system.

Maybe it was hard for you to understand the guide because images are disabled, I have repair the images for you to comprehend more




For mobile you can try this

I believe it you add the details from the desktop description you will find it easier to create it on mobile. This will work I guess......

Disclaimer: This not an argument thread but all opinions   counts

I noticed some people are no longer active, some are active once in while though they hold positions in the forum which they are supposed to be puting things in order.
I'm concerned about the wellness of the forum, so I see new generation of people ranking up but are more concerned on what they benefit from the forum rather than what they claim to be interested in helping in the forum. Although in some point of view they might be helping but just in a minor way that may seem to be common.

Since there are few of us that are willing to render help we (Me in particular) want to know if there are areas which you believe is lacking attention that people like the new hard working members can actually take care of because this forum have lasted for a decade and more I believe some areas might be slacking gradually but seems to be fine.

This thread may not be necessary to some people but one unnecessary question can trigger a good rethink and lot of opinion on how the forum can take a new shape.

what do you all think about finding areas that are not really doing good and act on it. also give opinion on how you think new members can rather help in the forum.

Here is a thread that has all the links to everything you need to know
Some important bitcointalk [GUIDE] for beginners.

In there all you need to know is included in each of the thread listed there

Goodluck mate!

I'm not too aquatinted with wallet knowledge so I tried to study more on it because of your questions.

But it seems you have ask lots of questions too in the past which I read through it has most of the answers to your questions in this thread, in this thread of yours Electrum Wallet Bitcoin Security Precautions @pooya87 and others gave some answers that might relate to the questions in this thread too.
But am still reading to find more answers.

The only thing I know right now is your advised to store your crypto assets in an offline/cold storage system or airgapped computer that must not connect to the internet in order to be safe, that's what I have learnt from my research. And you too should start doing more research

Yes the format of the forum is quite old but it uses the HTML code for writing which equally means you can input all kind of emojis to the forum but it may not show in the preview but will show when posted because it in a HTML code.
Here is an example:


If you can actually input the HTML code of the emoji then it will show when posted the only weird thing is why is it not showing in preview? Which I may not be able to answer.


It not different from the one we have in our phone keyboard, if you know the HTML code for it then you can write or input the emoji anywhere in the forum like the image I uploaded above.

In the main time I haven't concluded my results for 2023 so before I will make a new year resolution, I will have to check back and front where I did well and where I didn't do too good. Then just include the less accomplished in the new year resolution. For gambling I got a little result in performs how I gambled, my skills in gambling are very minimal so my next resolution might include to improve my skill in gambling

Thanks for the information it's very necessary for users to know about this because it occurs without there notice.

Just as Ever_young once said that clipboard virus also has some effect on crypto loss. I think some of the users who where scammed may be as a result of this clipboard virus that one sends crypto to a different wallet thinking that its there own address.

The fact that you clarified the situation of shitcoins investment has taught me alot, to buttress if anyone wishes to invest in shitcoins s/he should invest only least less than 10% which means if someone can actually afford to involve in shitcoins it shouldn't be an amount that is greater than nor half neither quarter of his/her investment in Bitcoin. Moreso, s/he must be well accountable for his or her action. I also observed that the example was meant for those who would constantly refuse advise not to get involved with shitcoins but since they maybe not be able to harken to advises its better to devices a means to reduce the out come of regret in their action. at the end it all boils down to say that one should try as much as possible to avoid shitcoins.

I couldn't comprehend the point you're trying to foster well enough @red4slash but to digress the whole point you might be trying to say.
@Queentoshi you do not need a perfect time to invest in Bitcoin based on what I have learnt here in this thread, every time is always the time to buy, you might be waiting to a bearish market when you have the capital to invest but it may not come. So that is why the DCA method of accumulation was introduced in order for anyone not to miss out the opportunity while waiting for the perfect time to buy.
Even outside the forum time waits for nobody, most people do say opportunities don't come you create opportunities by investing when you have, you stand to chance of not missing out but when you wait for a time to come which may not come you can eventually miss what is important to you. So do not wait for the right time to come before you invest, start where you can, start now, today hence you don't miss your chances because emergencies can take up the said capital you wish to invest in Bitcoin do it now not later.

It's true people hardly listen to good advise of this nature hence I believe every one has the right to make decisions but after making such decision they shouldn't cry out to anyone that they lots their money in shitcoins because not even me nor you will be ready to listen to such trash.

you should learn how to make use of search button regularly.

Here is thread that such question has been asked
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2628361.0

You might also want to know more about avatars etc. Read this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0

I may not be familiar with the basics of chemistry but can you prove that rust does not form on stainless steel?
Here is an image of a rusted steel bolt so does that not show that what feel is safer may not be safe as you speculate?
Let's say I like to be rational because everything that has advantages also has disadvantages, but the so called reason for asking such question in the first place to reduce the illusion created around crypto steels.
May be everyone likes to agree to ideas but I disagree with some ideas to make sure we disagree and then agree on one thing to make a fact solid.
@m2017 you may be more experienced than I am in the forum but have you considered the person behind the name and the rank in the forum? A professor could be making a point but because his low in rank does not mean he or she doesn't know what his saying. Boiling down to the end of the matter one can by such act of disagreeing make others go to make more research and find a more safer ways to safe guiding one's BTC hence not just relaying on one proclaim solution.

Okay you finally agree that stainless steels could get rust but can be prevented with oil So what exactly brought out the idea of applying oil to the cryptosteel to prevent rust? was it not my low experienced question ?. Hope you see the prove of what I'm trying to impact rationality makes a fact solid.

This requires a rational thinking, you have to think more than twice lol 

If I sell at the price of $100k/or$1 million to them can I still buy another one with that $100k/or$1 million ? If yes then I will sell to them and immediately buy  another. But if No then won't sell because surely nobody buys any thing to loss it always for profit reasons hence for that same reason wouldn't sell.

In as much as there is no parental control in buying and selling of Bitcoin it's still limited to some extent, the classification ladder we have two major societal class the Adults and the minor hence it all depends on where you live, in some countries one is allowed to carry out whatsoever he or she wishes to do at the age of 18 and above while some are 16 or less. with this age differentiation some exchanges uses the KYC which also requires age before you can have some certain qualifications that will be used for verification hence through this age limitation has been brought in consciously or subconsciously/ with or without their notice.

Buying Bitcoin for a kid is quite confusing because the age which you are talking about should be specific, a child of 1-10 or 11 - 16 or above or less is what any parents should considered, of what necessity is buying Bitcoin for a child for? except it's an investment in their future just as parents do save money for their kids. If you where talking about saving money for children in Bitcoin that's quite convincing but trying to communicate what bitcoin entails and it's usage is not really relevant because I do say this alot that teaching children about bitcoin is not healthy for me, I do say that let children be children let us not border children with the knowledge of Bitcoin.


In as much as no knowledge is a waste teaching children about bitcoin is not healthy enough in my opinion, why not teach them about the whole concept of money and not Bitcoin that is way beyond their understanding, because if they don't know how to handle their finances, then knowing Bitcoin is useless already. it's better not to even border children with Bitcoin knowledge than teach them what they can use a the moment and thereby leaving them with incomplete knowledge.



Buying Bitcoin can be good idea if its sort as investment in there future as I have said above.

I wouldn't teach a child how to secure bitcoin but an adult that would be capable of making good decision or at least a teenager.

Since there are no restrictions in age for owning money why would there be restrictions on owning Bitcoin? whereas Bitcoin is a decentralized currency that can't be controlled by any authority which is the goal of Satoshi Nakamoto in creating bitcoin. Not even government can make decisions for Bitcoin so no agency can make any restrictions on what one should do concerning Bitcoin ownership.

In as much as I agree with you that traditional banks and it's services are currently important, I also will want to  know you that the hatred for financial institutions here in the forum has created an illusion that this traditional banks are absolutely useless or it services are not important which is wrong but I will definitely not dispute the fact that they really offered alot of help as third parties in our various countries and life in general though they may have lost trust but still doesn't warrant the absolutely hatred on them.

The governments uses this banks a means to control the entire operation of citizens that is exactly where there is slack in the banking system but cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin and shitcoins) are here to fell up this gaps that banks has open in the hearts of citizens to elevate us from central control of the government and set financial freedom to all who grabs the opportunity.

Banks will only be less useful in future and this future may be centenary or more because it will take alot of time to reach the point which banks won't be needed. maybe it will still be needed but in a different manner, maybe it will require people to have contact with their third parties not the completely detached institutions that operate now. for the fact that this future is not yet here we don't need to overemphasize on the hatred but can grab the opportunity that bitcoin has brought to our table.

There are 3 (three) different strategies and more that has been mention in this thread if you have read through or at least a little of the pages, this strategies include (Dollar cost averaging, Buying in the dips and lup sum buying) but the most convenient of all is DCA because of its time management factor, consistency that guarantees no chances of missing out the benefits of Bitcoin and last but not the least, the fact that it allows you to take care of other bills at the same time making investment too.
In this different strategies it all depends on the one that suits you more, if you get income on a salary or wages level you can consider DCA or if you hit your income once in a period you can consider lump sum or buying on the dips.
Nobody said dollar cost averaging is the best at all times but the best compared to other strategies.


The way to calculate for using the DCA method is by increasing your investment amount maybe if you usually invest $50 for example on a weekly basis you can increase with $1 or more depending on the transaction fee in order to maintain your set amount of accumulation but if you can't afford to pay for this fees you can use exchanges that offer lesser fees but it only requires you patients. though there are transaction accelerators that can increase the speed of your transaction when you pay less fees but at least in all you still have to DCA no matter the circumstances.

You have mention the above characteristics of the crypto steel but what about RUST ? Is there any guarantee that it can get rust ? Even when kept in a stuffy place it can get heat and by contacting with each surface can get rusted. The fact is there are varieties of ways yo keep your asset safe it all depends on own view, what can be safe for you might not be safe for me.

For newbies they can explore as many as they can in keeping there assets safe.

It's quiet not relevant to buy a cryptosteel for security and privacy when you don't even have enough bitcoin to secure. Lol 

I would love you to re-read what you wrote!

But in the main time, for anyone to make investment it doesn't matter the independence of the person but what is really required is the goal or the bigger picture, as far as there is an urge for wealth increment then the capital and the idea must come based on what I said earlier you don't need to have the capital before you start or you don't need to have the idea yourself before you make an investment.

From what I have learnt from @franky1 investment can only be made to an already existing idea or business so for anyone to invest you do need an already existing plan.
Developing a new idea is equally not investing but generating Capital. 

Anonymity is what we always preach, not even social medias requires KYC except you have anything to do with monetization that will require such.

I have seen a very few people talk of KYC in the forum and I do really know why it's important to them including you.

But will surely say that it's not necessary except you have a plan of becoming the government which everyone is here pissed of.

Idea and money work Viz vice. They are two paramount things that accomplished a business or investment, but note that each can stand on its own. For instance; You could have money yet no idea and you can have an idea but no money (capital), what is really important is you should at least have one. when you have money (Capital) but no idea (like the rich people who inherit wealth) you can ask people for idea or even employ people who have ideas but no money.
Or you can have idea but no money (capital) hence raise funds from volunteers and you will still be successful there are people who are will to invest in someone who has great ideas out there. but it's easy when you have both to be successful.