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10621  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Remotely running rpcminer-cuda fails "could not initialize cuda" on: March 28, 2012, 05:46:12 PM
You can't.  With WMI or RDP the process won't have access to the host GPU.

It is failing to "initialize CUDA" because it isn't seeing any valid GPU.

You will need an alternative form of remote management.  ssh, logmein, pcanywhere, etc.
10622  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Selling/Trading Mining Hardware - Ship from US to Anywhere GFX Cards/ Mobo / PSU on: March 28, 2012, 04:44:59 PM
Quote
++AMD Reference 5970 - great card!

This will do stock core / 150 mem @ .95V  ~700 mh/s with CGminer

Had it for a couple of months

Asking: $425 + shipping

If you ever want to get more realistic about the price let me know. 

Open offer of $325
10623  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3 BTC bounty for the best assistance! on: March 28, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
commone D&T  your going round and round....
I don't think I am, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about anymore or what you are confused by.  Given you seem to be a smart guy I think I am being played so I will stop.

Quote
issue is.  powing our rigs with 220.    I just wire regular 20amp outlets with 220 and use the supplied power cord for the PSU.  

ONE LAST TIME.  

a) that is a code violation

b) why?
110V @ 15 = good for 1 rig.
220V @ 20A = good for multiple rigs.
220V @ 30A = good for 50% MORE rigs at not much more cost.

if you are plugging 1 rig into the wall you don't need 20A OR 220V.

Quote
How do you plug in your PSU's to the 220 ?
I explained it up thread... twice with both diagrams and pictures and links.  I don't really know how to explain it anymore.  The OP understood on the first try.
10624  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3 BTC bounty for the best assistance! on: March 28, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
and how much would 25 special power supply cords?  

I did not even see (not that I looked very hard)   cords with  30amp plug ->  PSU

No such cable exists because there is no PSU which uses that much power.

The cord you are looking for is a C13 to C14.  They cost about $1 to $3 in bulk.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10228#1022805

30A outlet -----> 30A PDU (fancy name for powerstrip Smiley ) -----> 6 to 8 rigs
1 outlet for 12 to 14 GH/s

If you just want to plug 1 rig into each outlet then you don't need 20A.  Plain ole 110V @15A is more than enough to power a single rig. Huh
10625  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3 BTC bounty for the best assistance! on: March 28, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
They do but why would you want 110V?


you dont:  my original post:

I would only add that you do not need new cords, you can wire regular plugs for 220.  Just make sure you mark them very well so you dont plug a fan or a light into them.

Not a good idea as it is a code violation, you risk voiding your insurance policy, and open yourself up to liability.  Given how cheap the proper outlet compared to the total cost (equipment, lease, cooling) of 24 GH/s farm just use the right outlet.

Quote
also, I would use a commercial grade 20 amp outlet when wiring for 220.
Which is why I said why 20 when 30 is almost as cheap.  Then at which point you said 30A 110V doesn't exist. It does but not sure what that has to do with 20A vs 30A on 208V/240V.
10626  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3 BTC bounty for the best assistance! on: March 28, 2012, 03:17:31 PM
They do but why would you want 110V?

10627  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: GTX 680 numbers on: March 28, 2012, 03:11:34 PM
It's a shame that nVidia cards perform so badly in OpenCL calculations.. Otherwise GTX 680 is overall way better card than HD7970 for example.

Well they are pretty good at OpenCL and even better at pure CUDA but integer math has always been a weak point in NVidia's product line.
10628  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin Client can't sync on: March 28, 2012, 03:10:29 PM
Are you sure it just isn't slow?  I rarely use the GUI client but if you hold the mouse over the blocks icon it should show the block #. If you hover it over the connections icon it should show the # of connections.
10629  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTB] 5870s & 5970s on: March 28, 2012, 03:08:39 PM
Yeah deals can be found but it is hit or miss.  I got 3 5970s for $285, $330, and $400 (including a $100 waterblock).  Sadly one of three was bad. Sad.  For the next two weeks I didn't get a single one which wasn't over my limit ($330).

Luck and timing plays a role.
10630  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3 BTC bounty for the best assistance! on: March 28, 2012, 02:43:07 PM
also, I would use a commercial grade 20 30 amp outlet when wiring for 220.

Most of the cost is labor. Not much difference in outlet, breaker costs when it comes to 20A vs 30A.  Just go 30A from the beginning.  For safety I would go with locking connectors.

NEMA L6-30R outlet and plug.







10631  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3 BTC bounty for the best assistance! on: March 28, 2012, 02:36:08 PM
Unless you have a very clean well, you might gunk up the heat exchangers. I guess I hadn't ever thought of using anything except for a closed-loop recirculated system.

A flat plate heat exchanger might not work very well (plates are very close together) but a tubular heat exchanger would likely be fine.  They are less efficient (heat transfer vs size) but you can always get a larger one.  If you have very hard water you will get mineral build up on the "well side" of heat exchanger but nothing an annual maintenance and cleaning couldn't handle.
10632  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3 BTC bounty for the best assistance! on: March 28, 2012, 02:33:40 PM
I am investigating whether water cooling would be cost effective.  I will have access to well water in the space, and could run several heat exchangers.....seems very efficient relative to AC. 

My only concerns are my lack of experience with waterblocks, and the high capital costs. 
Unless you have a very clean well, you might gunk up the heat exchangers. I guess I hadn't ever thought of using anything except for a closed-loop recirculated system.
I would recirculate standard coolant throught a submersive heat exchanger in a closed circuit. Problem is the water in the well will heat.  Constant fresh water as to be flowing.

This solution might not be cost effective in the short term. It also negatively impact ecosystem.

Depends on the well.  Some wells will be tapped into a slow moving branch of an acquifier meaning any heat load short of a reactor is going to be insignificant.  Also "earth" is a decent heat sink.  Depending on the depth of the well you have quite a bit of surface area.

Pumping the heated water to the bottom of the well is an option.  Likely need to do some experimenting.  Obviously one could experiment before buying waterblocks.  Heat is heat.  23 GH is likely 10KW?  10KW = 34,000 BTU/hr.

Simply find a heat source (like propane burner) which can heat water dumping 34,000 BTU/hr into the water loop and you got a good test.  No need to even buy a heat exchanger at that point.  The best system would be one that has two wells connecting to same water source (pump cold water out of well, pass through heat source, pump into "hot well").

Sadly I can't put a well on my land because if I could I would be looking into it. 
10633  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Simple open rig idea that works. on: March 28, 2012, 02:13:58 PM
Very nice setup and thx for the resize. Windows Remote Desktop no likey massive images.

I notice your PSU is "behind" the rig.  I have found turning PSU on the side and putting it "beside" the rig helps keep all the heat sources blowing the same way (cool air behind rig, hot air in front of rig).  That was a minor thing that helped and it didn't occur to me till I was walking in our datacenter and looked at some servers which have "front mounted PSU".  Lightbulb moment.
10634  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Simple open rig idea that works. on: March 28, 2012, 02:04:28 PM
come on resize it man or at least use the [ img width=xxx ] tag
10635  Economy / Goods / Re: Yubikey's for sale on: March 28, 2012, 01:53:32 PM
I will take it.  I'll send first and let you build some cred (seems unlikely you would try to pull off a 4 BTC scam Smiley )

Your signature address good for payment?
10636  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if someone bought up all the existing bitcoins? on: March 28, 2012, 01:48:38 PM
What if someone bought up all the existing dollars?

I think the Chinese are trying but they forget how good we are at printing.  One thing no country can do better than the US is print dollars (oh and sell weapons of mass destruction).
10637  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what is the "scratch"? it's FUD or truth? on: March 28, 2012, 01:45:02 PM
Because for every one of those examples a password recovery option is available. People use password recoveries all the time. There is no password recovery for an encrypted wallet. Encrypted wallets by default would be a disaster.

Worse many "casual" users may be confused by the very concept of irrecoverable password.  Since almost no services exist that have irrecoverable passwords casual users likely need an education.  

I would imagine enabling encryption on the 1.0 client would need to be pretty comprehensive.   Something more like a wizard explaining that losing password means a complete and irrecoverable loss of funds and that there is no "forgot password" option.  

It would also be good to:
* compare the user's password against a known password list ("your attempted password is already known to attackers please try another one")
* give the user a password strength meter with practical strengths ("your password can be guessed in less than 4 days by an attacker with a single computer"
* providing a "print out page" for safe keeping (with warnings like store this in a safe, all your funds can be stolen is this document is lost)

It would also be a good idea to provide "popup" warnings with frequency and intrusiveness directly related to the balance.

Gavin is absolutely correct in pointing out Bitcoin is 0.x.  It is 0.x for a reason. 
10638  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BOUNTY] A patch for bitcoind to modify tx list in "getmemorypool" on: March 28, 2012, 01:38:26 PM
Examples usage of setminfee

Setting minfee of 0.005 BTC per KB
Code:
E:\bitcoin\bitcoin-0.6.0rc5+customfee-win32>bitcoind setminfee 0.0005
true

Checking minfee using getmininginfo
Code:
E:\bitcoin\bitcoin-0.6.0rc5+customfee-win32>bitcoind getmininginfo
{
    "blocks" : 173278,
    "currentblocksize" : 1000,
    "currentblocktx" : 0,
    "difficulty" : 1498294.36281651,
    "errors" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "pooledtx" : 37,
    "minfee" : 0.00050000,
    "minfeeper" : 1000,
    "testnet" : false
}

Checking the memorypool returned by bitcoind (used by p2pool or solominer to generate work)
Code:
E:\bitcoin\bitcoin-0.6.0rc5+customfee-win32>bitcoind getmemorypool
{
    "version" : 1,
    "previousblockhash" : "0000000000000223a54ba1689d09a07aac9c172002fee5866b18c
2e52ecf5569",
    "transactions" : [
    ],
    "coinbasevalue" : 5000000000,
    "coinbaseflags" : "062f503253482f",
    "time" : 1332941298,
    "mintime" : 1332936934,
    "curtime" : 1332941298,
    "bits" : "1a0b3287"
}

Note tx section is empty.  At the time of execution the node has not received any unconfirmed tx with a fee of >= 0.0005 BTC


Setting the minfee to 1 satoshi (1E-8 BTC, the smallest unit in Bitcoin) and checking mempool
Essentially this includes all paying txs and excludes all non-paying txs.

Code:
E:\bitcoin\bitcoin-0.6.0rc5+customfee-win32>bitcoind setminfee 0.00000001
true

E:\bitcoin\bitcoin-0.6.0rc5+customfee-win32>bitcoind getmemorypool
{
    "version" : 1,
    "previousblockhash" : "000000000000087818d53138fbd4256625e37c98a38b6fe8569e56852c92ab70",
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    "coinbasevalue" : 5001450000,
    "coinbaseflags" : "062f503253482f",
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    "bits" : "1a0b3287"
}

Roughly 10% of tx volume includes a fee of some token amount.

p2pool works fine with modified bitcoind.  I have noticed no errors, changes in payout, increase in stales, or reduction reported hashpower.
10639  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Having trouble understanding transaction fees. on: March 28, 2012, 01:03:40 PM
I still don't understand what the point of them are, even if I won't be using them.

The network has a real tangible cost.  Fees pay that cost.  Now Satoshi was smart and realized in the beginning the cost of a secure network would be higher than fees can bring in.  So that either leaves the network horribly weak and underfunded or fees so excessive nobody wants to use the network.   So he created a block subsidy which also solves the problem of initial distribution of coins in a fair manner.

Miner total compensation = subsidy + fees.
Currently the subsidy is 50 BTC but that declines over time.
Eventually the subsidy will be 0 BTC and long before that it will be <1 BTC.

Today:
Miner Total Compensation = 99.9% subsidy + 0.1% fees

Some point in the future:
Miner Total Compensation = 50% subsidy + 50% fees

Eventually once all coins are mined:
Miner Total Compensation = 0% subsidy + 100% fees
10640  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: (Solved) Is there any delay when transfering bitcoins? on: March 28, 2012, 12:06:17 PM
That is not an accurate statement.  Unless proper precautions are taken, a 0/unconfirmed race attack can be successful -- maybe 50% of the time even.
The precautions include configuring the client so that there are no incoming connections allowed and to explicitly have outgoing connections to the top miners.

How about we try it as a bet.  You say it is 50% successful?  Tell you what I will give you 10:1 odds.  You should be 500% profitable then right?  To break even you only need to be successful 10% of the time.  How it works is you try to double spend me.  If successful you keep the double spend and I pay you 10:1.  If you fail i just keep the funds you failed trying with.  You can name the stakes and time.  You can keep sending me money until you want to quit or I lose 100 BTC.  Let me know when you want to play.

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I've actually been surprised that there haven't yet been reports of anyone in the marketplace forum or on the #bitcoin-otc marketplace losing their bitcoins received to a double spend race attack yet.  It takes really no technical skill -- just use the same wallet in two places and try to spend from the same coin to two different addresses.   Eventually one of those times the one seen by the recipient will differ from the one seen by the miner who eventually gets that block.

Um you don't think the buyer won't happen to notice the tx go INVALID as soon as his client sees both versions of the double spend?

To accomplish a double spend you can't just double spend you must
a) send tx A to victim (A)
b) send tx B to the the attacker (B).
c) complete the actual transaction (in person is going to take at least a minute or two)
   c1) ensure that tx B is propogated to majority of pools.
   c2) ensure that tx A isn't propogated to majority of pools.  
   c3) ensures that victim (A) doesn't see double spend B
e) get away with item of value before victim detects deception and stops tx.

It is possible and yes if you are moving 28 million dollars in bearer bonds you should wait for 6+ confirmations (maybe 144 confirmations) but there is a significant challenge to even a 0-confirm double spend and a face to face tx of low value is low risk from such a complex attack which requires nearly perfect timing.

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There is a variation of the Finney Attack that could defraud just as easily with a 1-confirmation as with a 0/unconfirmed though the same recommendation above (to allow no incoming) prevents that variation from becoming successful as well.
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36788.msg463391#msg463391

A finney attack in person would require the attacker to
a) be able to generate blocks in very short time span "on demand" (i.e. like I said "massive amount of hashing power")
b) generate a block and hold it before the tx.
c) complete the tx (likely minutes)
d) broadcast the held block before the network finds another block.

Every 12 seconds the block is held the attacker loses 1 BTC in expected value (due to the chance of another block being found and broadcasted).  Finney attack is useful against instant delivery high value irreversable online tx because the attack has a cost to the attacker which is directly related to length of time and value of the tx.  

Even online one can greatly reduce the effectiveness by simply waiting.  The attack has a cost to the attacker of roughly 1 BTC per 12 seconds.  Finney attack is hardly applicable for a face to face meeting which may take minutes involving a small sum of money.  Attacker's break even point is 5 BTC in value per minute elapsed between time block is created and held and time tx is completed.  

Trying a Finney attack here means the most likely outcome is the attacker simply loses a block (and 50 BTC).
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