Firstly, thanks for finally posting something somewhat on topis
Secondly , the contents of your pants has as much to do with accepting that the undeniable sweeping waves of abuse women (specifically) have gone through at the hads of self absorbed.men is real. It's propped up by the inane notion of "equality." "Equality" is a myth. I want to end rape culture.

"Subjugate people based only on the fact that they have a penis."
This is trolling of the least admirable sort. That subjugation- rare as it is, only happens when Men try to stick their dicks where they aren't welcome or needed.

By anti feminist, I mean anyone unwilling to empathize with the construct of reality, as viewed by "the weaker sex."

Judging from the unnecessary and irrational hostility you've displayed it's obvious you feel that way. I wish you'd present your argument and tell us why instead of wasting computing power with insults.

But I know you're going to post something dumb like, "I WISH YOU WOULDN'T *insert insult here*". Ugh.

This whole thing about the Fed Reserve being private is a red herring.

Yes, the Fed is nominally private.  But the Bank of England was private for centuries until it was nationalised after WW2.  All the problems remain there because the Central bank STILL EXISTS.  It's the governmental powers that exist that are the problem, not who owns it.

You could focus on it being private and then maybe it would become a national issue and the govt would say "OK, we are going to nationalise the Fed".  And if that happened, not one single problem would have been solved.  The Fed would still be there doing the exact same as it does now, except it will have legitimacy in some people's eyes  where it didn't before.

The truth is that there is a genetic component to the behavior of lots of violent criminals -- sociopathy, et. al -- that CAN'T be fixed, so unless this is looked at on a case-by-case basis and the system picks out the exceptions to the rules, all this talk about rehabilitation is just a waste of time, one that I feel is advocated by people who are only doing this to make themselves feel better and not for the good of society.

Sorry man, but it's pretty clear you feel that way about me. When you saw my posts, you immediately flew off the handle and went into a rage because you clearly think that I feel that way, even though I stated I don't agree with the prison system for the reasons you stated, among many others.

Your hostility is keeping you from understanding what I was asking and talking about. I was talking about merely the revenge aspect of what you are proposing. Perhaps instead of immediately condemning and being hostile to people who are skeptical of your views, you could calm down and explain yourself more. I'm not trying to attack you nor did I intend to come off that way at all.

Now, as to my question. You did not answer it, you deflected it with hostility. In your first post in this thread, you said:


Clearly you feel your system should NOT be used as a kind of revenge, but when I point out that it would in fact be so (and the way you describe it and considering the way reality works, the victim probably would be overseeing or controlling what happens to the prisoner to some degree), you tried to sell the idea as a kind of revenge. When I questioned you about the hypocrisy of it, you instead tried to change the subject. But this isn't about how either you or I are arguing, this is about my question.

If this working-for-the-victim-as-reparation system is a form of revenge (which you said it is) and that is clearly acceptable to you, then why would you complain about revenge at all? Why condemn one system for being revenge-based, but promote your own revenge-based system?

If you feel your system would be better than the status quo in other regards, what's the point of bringing up revenge?

Well, you argued that the American prison system is bad because it's nothing but a form of biblical-style revenge, and in your first post you were complaining about punishments being centered around revenge and not restitution for the victims. You also think that I'm a Republican bible-basher with an unhealthy bloodlust, a perception that people who think the way you apparently do have, so it's pretty clear you do feel that way.

You never did answer my question, by the by. Why complain that a system is bad because it is based on revenge, and then advocate another system that's potentially worse because it's a more beneficial revenge in your eyes? Shouldn't all revenge be bad?

So if it's a form of revenge then why all the "I'm above petty revenge" bullshit here? Why all the ad-homs? Why are you taking this so personally?

What you're arguing for is, can be, and would be used as a kind of revenge. Honestly, if I was someone looking for revenge, I'd *love* a system where someone I used the legal system to screw over would be forced to give me money and/or be my servant for a long time period. That'd be MUCH more humiliating than simply being sent to prison or punished in some other way. I'd LOVE to be able to emotionally abuse and bully them with no fear of recourse, with people like you supporting the abuse of the people you claim to protect 'cos you think it makes you look morally superior. Modern day indentured servitude for the win.

I actually dislike the American prison system too for the reasons you stated among many others, but ok.

Bump.
Any antifeminists out there want to bitch about how oppressed you are?

Forced labor sounds constructive enough for me

I would like to have same prisons, but with people isolated inside those prisons, in single cells. No physical contact (in some cases verbal) with other inmates whatsoever. They can be of constructive use from inside there too.

Why does talk about punishment always have to devolve into self-righteous whining about revenge? That's literally what the state is FOR -- it's a centralized substitute *for* individual revenge. Deal with it.