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10741  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Any ideas for a portable mining rig on: March 25, 2012, 03:45:39 PM
The issue is energy in = energy out.

Making a compact device which requires large amounts of energy isn't tough but cooling it is.  It is going to require massive airflow.  So think pair of 5970 with fans @ 100% and some Delta screamers @ 80 db forcing hundreds of cubic feet of air per minute into the case.  Maybe another Delta screamer out the "exhaust" grill to lower air pressure.

Sitting on your desk I would imagine that will be very obnoxious.  There is a reason my 5970 farm is in in the garage.

Also stealing is stealing.  If I ask my employer can I charge my android phone or kindle at work they would say "no problem".  If I say can I plug this loud, hot, power guzzling device that produces $500 per month for me and consumes $100 in company electricty I doubt they would say "no problem".

I haven't check yet but I am pretty sure they wouldn't like it.

With watercooling you could get the noise down but you greatly increase the cost and complexity and stealing is still stealing.
10742  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining rig extraordinaire - the Trenton BPX6806 18-slot PCIe backplane [PICS] on: March 25, 2012, 03:39:31 PM
I have found the grain of rice method doesn't work well on GPUs.

With a CPU you have a single heatsink which mounts to the flat heat spreader and applies a lot of pressure.

With a GPU the heatsink covers multiple components and is tightened down with multiple screws.  Very hard to get the same amount of direct pressure on the GPU die.

The other advantage of CPU is the heat spreader is larger than the chip surface so if thermal compound doesn't get all the way to the corners it doesn't really matter because there is no heat source there.  With GPU what you see is the actual chip package and even the corners are putting out significant amount of heat.

For CPU the single grain of rice method works fine.  For GPU I use the thin line and spread with a credit card.  It doesn't need to be perfect the heatsink will apply some pressure and spread it out. 

Still regardless of the method you want as little as possible.  I try to get it thin enough that it looks almost translucent.
10743  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: GTX 680 Perf Estimations on: March 25, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Dual GPU Single slot?  Sounds like a horrible idea.
10744  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How do people have 20 mining rigs setup in 1 room without blowing a fuse? on: March 25, 2012, 02:54:17 PM
Solar or wind power has nothing to do with blowing a fuse.
10745  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is it possible to solve the mining process differently? on: March 25, 2012, 02:28:20 PM
I stand corrected.  Good to know.
10746  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: scammed when selling bitcoins on ebay on: March 25, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
blablahblah your mean blablahblah

well at least your name fits.
10747  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Miners that refuse to include transactions are becoming a problem on: March 25, 2012, 04:50:24 AM
So miners are required to include tx that don't meet their fee requirements?  If they don't they risk having the valid blocks not forwarded?

Yes, you will be orphaned if you set a "fee > 100BTC no exceptions" include policy.  It is not reasonable to demand that the network have no right to question your policy if you institute a bad one: the whole point is to stop people from excluding all txes.  We're trying to find a minimal method that won't affect any reasonable include policy, but it does create a requirement that you might have to do something.  A relay policy with no actual mandate is pointless.  As I said:  Checks and balances.

You're becoming a broken record.  Your point has been heard and is being taken into consideration.

Please don't use strawman to support your argument.

What if fee policy was 0.01 BTC?  Less than 10% of txs in last 20 blocks had a fee of 0.01 or higher.  Hell less than 1/3rd have a fee of any kind.    Thus a requirement to include 50% of txs mandates including free txs also.  Any fee policy no matter how low (even min 1 satoshi) would face exclusion.

So at least be honest with the ramifications. 
10748  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overclock monitor fanspeed GCN RPC linux/windows/osx 2.3.1 on: March 25, 2012, 04:39:09 AM
You'd go to a lot of trouble to do that Tongue
You could just have a script that uses the API and enables/disables each of the 2 pools as required Smiley

API for the winz.  So glad that thing exists.  Boy it certainly was a smart idea for *someone* to start a bounty for that.
10749  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Miners that refuse to include transactions are becoming a problem on: March 25, 2012, 04:37:40 AM
What would happen if everyone did this and I send out a transaction tomorrow with no tithe to the system. Where does that transaction go? How would the user have any idea what has happened? How would they know if it still floating around out there, maybe waiting on a generous miner who has a long pro bono publico wait list, and that they don't need to resend it?

The modification I was proposing wouldn't affect relaying so tx would be relayed to every node even my node would continue to relay it.The tx is valid so rejecting it is inappropriate I just don't want to mine it.

As far are mining it into a block.  If every single miner on the planet (and all new miners coming online) had a min fee rule with no exceptions higher than your fee then it would never enter a block.  However that is obviously unrealistic.  If 10% of miners had such a rule then 90% of network would still include it in the next block so your expected confirmation time would simply be 11 minutes vs 10 minutes.  If say 99% of network excluded it from the next block (due to insufficient fee) then your expected confirmation time would be 16 hours.  Obviously both of those numbers are expected confirmation time, the actual time would be subject to variance just like any confirmaiton time is.

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What if the fee requiring miners are in the minority but each of the 8 node connections that my client has just happens to have this fee rule? Again, does my transaction get lost in the nether? How would I get my transaction out to the miners who are willing to include my transaction? Would the nodes say "nope, fees too low on this transaction, into the round file it goes..." or would the nodes say "nope, fees too low on this transaction but maybe Bob down the street would be willing to help you out, I'll pass it on"?

The later.  My proposed change would only affect what tx go into the next block and only for those miners/pools which implement the patch.  Any valid tx would continued to be relayed.
10750  Bitcoin / Project Development / [BOUNTY] A patch for bitcoind to modify tx list in "getmemorypool" on: March 25, 2012, 04:24:06 AM
Proposal:
A patch to bitcoind that modifies tx list returned by getmemorypool by excluding tx below a user defined fee.

Background:
The getmemorypool RPC call returns the components necessary to build a block header.

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version" : block version
"previousblockhash" : hash of current highest block
"transactions" : contents of non-coinbase transactions that should be included in the next block
"coinbasevalue" : maximum allowable input to coinbase transaction, including the generation award and transaction fees
"time" : timestamp appropriate for next block
"bits" : compressed target of next block

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list

The getmemorypool RPC call is used by p2pool to generate blockheaders for getwork requests by miners.  The default action of "getmemorypool" is to return all valid tx not yet known by the node to be in a block. I am seeking development of a patch which will exclude transactions with a transaction fee below the min fee set by the operator.  The list of tx returned should simply be the tx with an appropriate fee.

Implementation:
I imagine the easiest way to accomplish this is to have a new RPC call "setminfee".  By default "setminfee" is set to 0 BTC.  The modified "getmemorypool" would check the min-fee value (default 0) and exclude any tx with fee < min fee.  I am open to alternative implementation however a reason should be provided.

Bounty:
Make me an offer.  Honestly I have no idea the amount of work this will involve.  I don't want to vastly overpay or insult anyone with a low ball offer.


10751  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Safe Bitcoin blocks checkpointing on: March 25, 2012, 04:05:26 AM
Not sure what the longest fork is but generated coins are not spendable for 120 blocks to ensure a fork can't result in spent coins being lost.
10752  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Miners that refuse to include transactions are becoming a problem on: March 25, 2012, 03:55:04 AM
Personally, I favor a drastic rule such as

* Build a list of "likely to be in next block" transactions, from memory pool
* Do not relay blocks unless they contain at least 50% of the transactions in the "likely to be" list

This is "drastic" in my estimation because such a rule has notable downsides,

* Increases possibility of short term fork
* Creates de facto requirement that at least 50% of each block are standard transactions (as defined by isStandard)
* and some other minor fallout

However, it is a strong rule that does address the issue at hand, while permitting valid, no-tx-activity zero-transaction blocks to exist.



So miners are required to include tx that don't meet their fee requirements?  If they don't they risk having the valid blocks not forwarded?
10753  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining rig extraordinaire - the Trenton BPX6806 18-slot PCIe backplane [PICS] on: March 25, 2012, 03:11:46 AM
I never said you will have problems.  If you keep it off any traces you are fine.  If you don't well you blew up a $400 GPU for no good reason.

Back when the choice was AS or that white goop which comes in $0.99 packs it might have been worth the risk.  Now that there are two dozen high quality NON CAPACATIVE ceramic based compounds the risk seems unwarranted.

When installing waterblocks I have found about half of all GPU have excess thermal compound on the traces.  If it was AS5 they would all be dead. 

Still your right it you are flawless in laying it down and never make a mistake, never put too much on, never allow any to fall on the traces then it will work fine.
10754  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Miners that refuse to include transactions are becoming a problem on: March 25, 2012, 03:06:55 AM
reread what you quoted.
10755  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining rig extraordinaire - the Trenton BPX6806 18-slot PCIe backplane [PICS] on: March 25, 2012, 03:02:50 AM
Whatever.  AS5 will damage a graphics card if you get it on the unprotected traces which surround the die.  I got no problem using AS5 on CPU with a headspreader.  If you use too much it isn't going to damage anything, on a AMD GPU if you use too much it is going to squeeze out right onto those unprotected traces and you end up with a $400 paperweight.
10756  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Slow 5870 card. Advice sought. on: March 25, 2012, 03:00:10 AM
If it is a bad VRM you will be able to see it in GPU-Z.  Goto sensor tabs look for VRM temps.  If one shows no value or significantly lower than the others it is likely bad.

The bad news is this is just academic.  It can't be fixed without extensive work.  Hell most OEM don't even fix them.  They just toss them and give you an RMA that was easier to fix (like dead fan).
10757  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Slow 5870 card. Advice sought. on: March 25, 2012, 02:41:54 AM
Did you ever try to run it that slow before?

Possibly one of the VRMS are bad.   At higher clock the remaining VRM can't supply enough power to keep it stable and the card crashes.
10758  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Why does it seem like 'everyone' needs bitcoins urgently? on: March 25, 2012, 02:32:58 AM
drugs.  when you need em you got to have right now.
10759  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining rig extraordinaire - the Trenton BPX6806 18-slot PCIe backplane [PICS] on: March 25, 2012, 02:28:08 AM
Yeah AS5 is good stuff but I don't like to use it on GPU because it is conductive.  Most of the name brand ceramic based thermal compounds perform within a few degrees of each other.
10760  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining rig extraordinaire - the Trenton BPX6806 18-slot PCIe backplane [PICS] on: March 25, 2012, 02:15:22 AM
alcohol works but it doesn't really dissolve the TIM.

If found this works good.  Yes a ripoff @ $7 for small bottle (good for 10 GPU at least) but it works very well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100010

For cleaning up bad thermal paste jobs which got some of the resistors I have found a method which works well.  Using the #1 cleaner in the link above, let it dissolve some of the thermal paste, mop it up with qtips.  You aren't really scrubbing it (which just smears the paste around to other resistors) more using the qtip like a sponge.  It will take 3 or 4 passes but you can get any surface perfectly clean.
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