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1081  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: September 24, 2023, 05:12:25 AM
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Yes, that is the best advice. But we know people who are used to gambling won't follow his advice or at least if they do, they can play slots another day Grin

And I agree with reducing gambling time and of course, always limiting the amount of money used for gambling. That will save us from facing a lot of losses because, with a little money, we will only stop when the money runs out. But it would be a different story if we deposited some more money into the gambling account so we could continue playing. And that will only make us lose even more money.

Yeah, I think one good way of looking at it is simply trying out say 30 days without gambling and instead using the same amount of money you spent gambling the last 30 days in something else that you enjoy.

It could be going to a restaurant, a movie, a trip, whatever, and pay it with the money you instead would have gambled away.

I'm sure you will feel better after those 30 days.
1082  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: September 24, 2023, 05:08:01 AM
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And I'd agree with that when I was not a VIP rank yet. They made me win the amount that is possible to withdraw but when I hit the VIP rank I cannot win anymore and it has been over a week now that I cannot make a number that is illegible for withdrawal. It's not like I think the game is rigged but I am thinking about the RTP getting way lower than those in the non-VIP rank. Now, I bet less in casino games and just maximize all my bets in the sports betting industry because there I have a higher chance to win. Let's say at a high percentage successful. Yet, I am not an addict yet.
Sports betting is a betting industry that for me is non addictive because games that you love do happen weekly or once every 2 days for others sports so there's no reason for a gambler to stick in front of his computer the whole day.

Not sure about what you mean with VIP and withdrawals. Do they have different limits?, what changes?

Even a weekly expense can end up hurting you financially in the long term. Specially if you consider the alternative cost of not investing that money instead.
1083  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: September 24, 2023, 05:01:50 AM
I can still relate to this even if I just gamble for fun because there are times that you regret not betting like there are games that my friends asked me to bet on and I tried to analyze that team and it has a huge percentage of winning but the problem is that I didn't bet because my salary is still not in and my extra money is intended for the food at that time so after the game I regretted not to risk that money I have and I would have gotten money on it but I am the kind of person that easily moves on so I just enjoyed myself and still I can sleep well at night.

Just move on if you regret not betting because you are only the one who struggles and still it is useless to feel that regret for a few days as you cannot take back the time that you can bet.

Yeah, that's the best way to look at it.

Just enjoy it, don't rush, don't overspend, etc.

If you don't have the money for it, just don't bet. It could make a bad situation way worse.
1084  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: September 24, 2023, 04:57:46 AM
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With open source, it will invite more and more developers to get involved in various AI projects and work on them for later release. With the release of AI projects from many developers, AI projects will grow even more because each developer will use their abilities to design great AI models for various domains, not just the gambling business.

Supported by increasingly advanced technology, the development of AI will also become more advanced and better. In the next 5 years or 10 years or even 20 years, there will be AI models that will be much better than the current ones. Everything will change so quickly that we will not expect it because the development of existing technology will help everyone, including human activities.

The speed of advancement of AI is incredible. It took about 10 years from the initial AlexNet (the winner of the Visual Recognition Challenge 2012) to now having generative AI advancements every year basically.

Even months is a short amount of time with all the big techs competing against each other to win the AI race
1085  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: September 23, 2023, 06:42:54 AM
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good points
many will say that we create our reality, I like the idea too that when your mind open up for a new idea it never gets back to the original size again (was it Einstein?)

now, how sure are you that attention creates thoughts? maybe there's a stream of thoughts that could happen regardless of your attention but you can uses your attention to keep them or leave them...
what do you think?

I don't know if there is a clear answer to this in the literature, but at least to me, it seems like it's a bit of both.

On one hand we just get random thoughts all the time, but on the other hand, things that you have paid attention to in the past tend to appear in your thoughts as well.

I'm sure advertisers would know the answer to this, because they pay a lot of money to be in the minds of the people.
1086  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: September 23, 2023, 06:35:25 AM
I think there is certainly cross over.  Anyone who bets often people tend to see them as addicted.  But if they continually win there is nothing saying they can't turn it off and stop.  That's the addiction part when you can't walk away.  But if you are successful at continually making money you might not want to.  Not wanting to and not able to are 2 different things that differentiates whether you are addicted or not, not how much you bet.

Yeah, but that scenario doesn't exist.

You can't continually make money betting at a casino, that's the point.

Casinos will want you to stay as long as possible, and to come back as many times as possible.

The longer you bet, the more money you will lose.
1087  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some of country can offer you legal gambling in 2023! on: September 23, 2023, 06:33:26 AM
Ethical in what way exactly?? I had to go lookup the word again just incase I'm mixing up points in my tightly-stuffed head; well, if I would say, you actually meant our regular gambling sites are not being entirely acceptable in these listed countries? Cus they actually gamble big time in those countries too - maybe except anyone would wanna bypass the breach, then ofcourse VPNs do Thier jobs perfectly...

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Yeah, you could use a VPN to bypass the initial check, but what if you won something and want to withdraw it?

You can't use a bank account from a banned country.

It would  be different if the bets are in Bitcoin
1088  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: September 23, 2023, 06:26:36 AM
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I didn't think if it was right to compare these two, because Asia has a different situation from Africa and Europe is not the same as these two.
We know African countries usually don't have a good amount of investment in their teams and they usually don't get good results because of that, also there you can't find good sport facilities in most of the countries. While there is a better situation in Asian countries.

Brazil is one of the best, if not the best, team in the world, and many of their players grew up in poverty. No shoes, no food, etc.

On the other hand, countries like Luxembourg are one of the richest in the world but they simply don't exist in football.

So, I don't think there is a correlation between money and quality
1089  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: September 23, 2023, 06:23:59 AM
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If you already understand the system, if you win, you should stop immediately rather than make a big mistake that could cause losses in your gambling account. That's what we must do to keep the winnings we have earned because if we continue gambling, there is no guarantee that we can win like the previous win. But we might have the chance to lose in the next round and end up losing all the money, including the winnings we have managed to get. We must control ourselves so that we are not tempted to continue gambling, especially if we have won some money. And with self-control, we can also avoid other problems that might arise.

Yeah, that's the main thing, if a gambler manages to win some money in a casino, the best they can do is to stop gambling.

The problem of course is that they get excited and they want to win more, plus the casino would probably give them free food and drinks to encourage them to stay instead of leaving.
1090  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: September 20, 2023, 01:26:31 AM
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Yes, there are gamblers who bet on games so they can get rich in a short period of time, but the truth of gambling is that having such a mindset before joining the gambling is not a good endeavor. I advise most new gamblers to just gamble for fun, but while gambling, if they have a big win, they should try and control the joy of a big win so they will not lose all their wins and their own money back to the gambling company.
Some people take gambling seriously compared to their personal selves, but some gamblers don't take gambling seriously but just take it for fun and those people who take gambling as their own side hustle.

The thing is that you can take gambling seriously or for a bit of a laugh, and in the end, the probabilities are going to be the same.

The odds are against the gambler, independent of how professional they are at gambling.

That's why in the end the casino wins.
1091  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: September 20, 2023, 12:48:47 AM
Gambling  is one of the most addictive activities one can get involved  with and most times, the hopes to win big someday has been of the major striking factors why people always gamble  despite how much they might have lost and in some cases, people indirectly chase losses because no one wants to be counted a loser in gambling, hence they persistently gamble with hopes of recovering their capital as well as having some winning on it and even even the winnings outnumber the losses, they still believe that they can do more better and end up losing everything.

I gambling involvement story is a long and funny one but long story short, I basically  gamble with only what I can afford to lose.

Yeah, and if you add to it some alcohol you have the perfect combination for losing all your money in a single night.

Casinos know this very well and usually would serve free drinks and food to people that are gambling. They want them to stay as much as possible to get all their money.
1092  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: September 20, 2023, 12:47:06 AM
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In my nation, we all just go vote and come back, I do not understand why USA doesn't do that. It happens on Sundays, which means it is usually a situation where a lot less people work, sure there are some business types where you work on Sundays too, but they are far lesser than let's say something like Wednesday, and I believe USA does it on Sundays as well.

Make it a national holiday type of thing as well to make sure most other places are closed and only the very important stuff like for example Hospitals are open, rest, if they can close shop they should. This would allow a lot more people to vote, and there was even a punishment back in the day for not voting, you can go vote absentee, meaning you do not have to pick anyone, but still have to go and vote.

The voting style in the US is very complex and has a long history.

In most other countries it's usually one vote per person, and then they just count it, in different ways sometimes, but basically one person, one vote in the end.

In the US, your vote could literally no matter at all, because they take the majority per "zone", with each "zone" having a certain weight in the final vote. It's weird.
1093  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: September 20, 2023, 12:44:35 AM
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No drug in the world is actually beneficial for health. Even if some medicine is prescribed by a doctor, it is definitely going to have some side effects, even though it is going to cure the bigger disease. I believe taking any kind of drug is absolutely unnecessary. If you actually give it 100%. The problem is people do not give it 100% but act like they are giving their 100%. And I don't know why a lot of people start talking about mental health in this day and age. You are literally getting paid to play tennis.

Yes, you can find an opponent that is actually going to beat you in a way that makes you look bad. But that means you have to get a lot better. Not sit around and cry about it and say that you are depressed. And you not being able to beat another tennis player is not depression. Your family member, your parents, or your child dying is depression.

But people somehow seem to be able to cope with losing family members very easily. But they somehow cannot beat the better opponent because of depression!

Every drug has its pros and cons. That's basically what the pharmacy sells, drugs. They usually are beneficial for health, and they usually have other negative effects, like dependency, etc.

Just because a drug is legal or not doesn't mean they are good or bad for you.

I mean, you can die from drinking too much water. It's all about balance in life.
1094  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: September 20, 2023, 12:41:51 AM
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It still needs further development for AI technology, which could happen, especially if more developers join to create better AI models. Maybe for now, AI can only predict sports and is still limited in its search for information, but over time and with updates from each developer, AI will get better. Seeing that the development of AI is still in its early stages, I think it is natural that AI cannot predict well. But I think the developer will fix this so we should remain patient and wait for good news from them.

The thing is that now there are some open source models that have been released that are quite powerful, and that means that people might already be designing great AI for specific domains, and using that for their advantage.

We really don't know who or at what level, but it is definitely happening.
1095  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: September 20, 2023, 12:40:43 AM
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Well that's obvious, the reality is like that, not only those who experience addiction can feel the impact but obviously the people around them will also definitely at least experience the same thing, especially people who are very close to them, but yes the impact for them will not be too significant. Yes, that's right, things that they never expected are very possible and very likely to do if they have really lost control, one of which may be that they will commit crimes, or borrow money from their colleagues with various promises that they will not even keep, and also besides that maybe they could steal their friend's goods to sell and the money is allocated to gambling, it is very possible and indeed it is not uncommon for such cases to occur.

Therefore, it is very important for them including us to maintain a healthy mindset when we want to gamble, none other than because that will be able to minimize our losses. I'm sure none of the gamblers want to lose, so that's why it's true as you say, they must really think that this gambling is only as entertainment, and not at all a place to earn income. Because with that mindset, it is unlikely that they will end up addicted, it is very rare, so the key is in themselves.

Yeah, many families have been destroyed because of gambling, where the head of the family basically gambled all their money away, leaving the family with nothing.

It might be ironic because some of them are trying to get more money for their families, and yet they end up with nothing in the end.
1096  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: September 19, 2023, 03:00:30 AM
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Even though that is just their fantasy or wish, it will not turn out like that. Gamblers must be aware that winning in gambling is not easy, especially in slot games where they have to have luck to win. They can only prepare the money to play slots, determine how many bets they can afford, enjoy each round, and wait for the final result.

And yes, the money losses will still accumulate. But if they could think twice, of course, they wouldn't want to take the risk of playing slots for too long, let alone increasing their bets. That will speed up the loss of their money, and everything will end badly because they lose their money.

Yeah, you can't really win.

The best move is to never play, but then you don't get the fun.

So, the next best thing is to play a bit for fun, because you will lose the money anyway.
1097  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some of country can offer you legal gambling in 2023! on: September 19, 2023, 02:59:03 AM
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It is the truth with gambling. Majority of the gamblers used to be the poor people who hope for some win and keeps wagering.

Gambling is a social problem, but some states give importance as it is used as a source for some social cause. In my nearby state lottery draw is conducted by government as the revenue is used for treatment of cancer to the poor people belonging to the state.

In my country gambling is much popular from the days of COVID.

Yeah, I think every country has a different idea of how to use that revenue, but there is a lot of money in gambling, it's insane.

That's how they were able to build a city in the desert in Las Vegas.
1098  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: September 19, 2023, 02:57:09 AM
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In gambling, it always a 50/50 chance. You can never be 100% sure that you will win on one gamble and make a fortune. But if you are so sure and the odds are with you, then having separate money will always help. It's either a win or a loss and as it is within the budget, you will never regret it. If you haven't kept that money separated you would have most likely gambled it anyway right?
Even if the results are not the way you have predicted, what's stopping you from taking the leap of faith? That money was meant to be used for that kind of situation and it has been used. As in gambling, you win or lose. If you win, then that's money well spent. If not, forget about it and move forward with a new one.

I keep saying budget because it is important. A wise gambler will keep some for himself. But not from the actual budget. If you mess with the budget, if the future you may go over your budget. And that is not something good for gamblers, is it?


It's crucially worse than 50/50 because the odds are against the gambler.

In think many people forget that fact and try to win in an improbable game. Sure, they can end up winning, but it's very rare, and if they keep playing, they will for sure lose it all.
1099  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: September 19, 2023, 02:54:31 AM
Gambling addiction can be as detrimental and consuming as severe drug addiction. Both can lead to devastating personal, social, and financial consequences, highlighting the profound impact behavioral and substance addictions can have on individuals and their loved ones.

However, just as there are those who can enjoy a casual bet without falling into addiction, there are those who might use certain substances recreationally without becoming dependent.

I think it's actually even worse than alcohol, because you can only consume a certain amount before passing out.

With gambling, you can lose your entire life savings in a single night.
1100  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: September 19, 2023, 02:53:33 AM
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That's why I don't like to hear stories about how someone won a large sum, because I know that the narrator will keep silent about how much he lost.
For example, there was a case in the world of esports Date 2 - when the former owner Virtus.pro won 44 million rubles on the victory of Team Spirit. There was a very small chance that they would make it to the finals, but they took first place. This news was in all sites about esports and gambling. And it would seem that this manager can be envied, but we will never know how much money he lost before. And he will never tell it himself. This statistic is known only by gambling services where he plays. Does his bid seem weighted and calculated to me?
No.
It's just a luck.
Therefore, I am sure that he lost a lot of money before this event.

It is just PR or marketing for the casino, or sometimes the person itself.

They only show you the times they win, and never when they lose. Overall, everyone will lose, but they don't want you to see that.

Imagine a different scenario. A guy sends 1000 emails predicting Biden will be president, and 1000 emails to other people predicting Trump will be president.

After the elections there will be a thousand people saying the guy predicted the election....
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