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11141  Other / Meta / Re: Only the loud survive on: December 24, 2012, 03:15:36 AM
Title: A Eulogy for #Occupy
URL: http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/12/a-eulogy-for-occupy/all/

This says a lot about bitcointalk.org:
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Because the GA had no way to reject force, over time it fell to force. Proposals won by intimidation; bullies carried the day. What began as a way to let people reform and remake themselves had no mechanism for dealing with them when they didn’t. It had no way to deal with parasites and predators. It became a diseased process, pushing out the weak and quiet it had meant to enfranchise until it finally collapsed when nothing was left but predators trying to rip out each other’s throats.

Let us just hope that BitcoinTalk.org figures out that freedom of association is also a right, and as a private website BitcoinTalk.org has the freedom to not associate with users that an overwhelming majority of site users downvote or ignore.


Did anyone NOT see this coming?

In my mind (and I know many of you will disagree), it kind of proves the point that an elected government that tries to do things for the good of the people is better than no government at all, and letting the bullies rule because no one else is.

Occupy had a government -- a group of people in charge of making decisions on others' and others' resources behalf -- , and it was called GA.  And just like any other government, it quickly became corrupt and ineffective.  The only reason it didn't last any longer is because they had competition (the established governments of the cities) and the competition had guns.

Actually the reason Occupy failed is exactly opposite.   Their initially was no structure or common message and this culture got embedded in the collective so when it was clear that leadership and a core message was needed, there was heavy resistance and sabotage from all side.  I knew it was going to happen after watching the first few interviews from people the media put up and quasi-representatives and they had no message and stated this was a movement without an actually leader.  It was doomed from that moment.  People have so many opinions and perspectives, that doesn't mean each one has the same merit.  Sometimes you just need someone or a body to guide the direction while its own momentum and culture develops.  It is crucial.


The problem with this logic is that OCCUPY DID HAVE A UNIFIED MESSAGE, that they were thru with government and corporate unaccountability, especially in regards to massive real estate fraud and the lack of action in prosecuting those responsible. The idea that OCCUPY didn't have a unified message was a synthetic creation of the media finding as many fractured, cracked, disassociated, and fringe protestors as possible while ignoring the core majority of the group: average working middle class people. They simply ignored those with a sensible message that most Americans might agree with and instead opted to create "entertainment" that sells. As a result of this synthetic pressure, there was a misdirection of resources from grassroots personal association networks towards centralized and "controlled opposition" networks. This happened under the guise of official structure that the media so unceasingly demanded, as if it weren't enough that this many people were pissed off enough to fill the streets, their disenfranchisement should be stamped and notarized.
11142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Kids Stabbed At School In China on: December 24, 2012, 02:59:57 AM
Most people are lemmings hence so few of them lead meaningful lives or achieve anything.

Feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate meaningful life to gun ownership. For that matter, feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate life expectancy with gun ownership.

Argument destroyed? CHANGE THE SUBJECT!
11143  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Kids Stabbed At School In China on: December 24, 2012, 02:58:49 AM

In 2010, Automobile accidents claimed 32,885 lives. Is being able to travel at 70 miles per hour worth 32,000 lives per year?

That is a good question. Automobiles impose costs on society and therefore should be taxed at a punitive rate to discourage excessive use. Here in Singapore the costs of purchasing a Honda Civic are in the neighborhood of USD$150,000. Part of this is tax. All cars are taxed at 200%. There is also purchase of entitlement to own an automobile (~$30,000).  There is also purchase of the entitlement to drive which is about $20,000 per year if you want to be able to drive during peak hours (much cheaper for an off peak license).

These are excellent moves. Cars cause external harm and therefore call for punitive taxation.

Guns should also be heavily taxed (e.g. there is one paper which suggests that $600/gun is an appropriate tax rate).



The problem with this is only the rich can afford to defend themselves. people living in low income areas would not only be the most numerous demographic, but also the most likely to need a firearm for self defense. If you need to get somewhere and don't own a car, you can carpool, get on a bus, or call a taxi. If you are being attacked and you don't have a gun you are a victim, and if the police show up it most of the time it will only be to fill out paperwork if you are lucky enough to be alive.
11144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Story of Your Enslavement on: December 24, 2012, 01:24:03 AM
We are enslaved by fear and doubt.  It's what makes us human.  We must find love to be free.  We must find the truth.

Wait a minute.  Wasn't there someone who made a promise that you shall know the truth, and that the truth shall make you free?

Chuck Norris?
11145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Young Mans' Mothers' Anonymous Letter To Todays Women on: December 23, 2012, 05:59:27 PM
Try to tell any of this to most women and and see how fast they attempt castration or make accusations of misogyny. Another fun project: see if you can find a single person you know in real life who knows the definition of the word "misandry". The confused looks and jokes about it being made up are fun.
11146  Other / Off-topic / Re: [NFSW]Topless cleaning service on: December 23, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
An Upstanding Maid
Busty Dusters
Dirty Birds Cleaners
Titastic Janitorial Services
Areola Maid
French Connection (have them all wear themed french maid outfits)
Clean House Dirty Mind
Red Rocket Maid
Peaches Cleaners
Ready Maid
Jimmy B. Stiff Housekeeping
Dirty Cleaners
Piece of Class

I think I can win this but there is some pretty stiff competition.

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11147  Other / Off-topic / Re: (NSFW) cam4btc.com on: December 23, 2012, 05:20:17 PM
i kind of feel sorry for the girls.

they get on cam for some strangers to gorp at them for atleast an hour demanding every depraved act they would never ask a real woman to do face to face. all for less then minimum wage.

thank you mister buzz kill, plus no one forces these girls to get on the cam, they choose it. Plus one girl is trying to pay her college and if you think about it we are paying them in a currency that goes up in value so they could do it once and just sit on it.

Thats what she said.
11148  Other / Off-topic / Re: Liberty Dollars ban goes into effect at eBay on: December 23, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Even Forbes thinks its bullshit.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/12/15/u-s-secret-service-bans-certain-gold-and-silver-coins-on-ebay/
11149  Economy / Collectibles / Re: SELLING: NORFED .999 RARE Silver Bullion Collectables BUYING AT SPOT! LIVE PRICE on: December 23, 2012, 05:13:27 PM
Buying at spot... I'm not selling at the moment, but would you be interested in NTR 10oz bars if/when I do want to sell?

My inventory of silver/bitcoin changes all the time, I can't really say for sure until you are ready to sell. Is it a possibility, yes - but that might change.
11150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 11.19oz .999 silver bar for sale for LTC on: December 23, 2012, 04:05:13 AM
How much LTC would you take for this?

Make me an offer via PM. Exchange rate changes too much to post a set rate, but so you have a frame of reference I am asking BTC
On a side note: This is my 1000th post Cheesy
11151  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: [SELLING] Dunkin' Donuts Brand Coffees on: December 20, 2012, 11:58:09 AM
bump
11152  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 09:01:19 PM
I always thought it would be great to make a coin gun. You could fit quite a bit of ammo in a small space, and the action would be simple. You could get best accuracy if you were to launch the coin standing vertically spinning upwards when viewed from firing position. This would create a predictable variation created by the spin and counted by the eventual pull of gravity. You could compensate for any loss of accuracy created by the spin. If you were to spin the coin horizontally I would think it would tend to be effected by spin direction, but I could be wrong.
11153  Other / Off-topic / Re: Liberty Dollars ban goes into effect at eBay on: December 19, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
I have a decent collection, PM me, or see my post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58518.0
11154  Other / Meta / Re: Only the loud survive on: December 18, 2012, 07:56:05 PM
It sad, because watching the development of occupy from the first few days there were questions of where to direct donations to because there had been some scam attempts. As a result people demanded "official" donation addresses (physical, digital payment, and bitcoin) which usually ended up being directed to the GA.  The perpetrators were also physically there from the first days stealing key casting equipment for the live video streams, the only thing protecting the protestors from violent assault. I could tell that the consensus by hand sparkle system was doomed to failure right away as a system for creating the illusion of collective participation and pacification, because who can feel angry waiving their hands around in the air like a fairy? Now watching the GA tear itself apart makes me realize how refined the system for infiltrating, displacing, over taking, and destroying genuine revolt has become.
11155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 18, 2012, 07:35:34 PM
Another issue the government will have is that under current law it is legal to make your own gun (provided you are over 18 and not a felon) and have no registration for it as long as you don't transfer it to anyone else. Under this framework some one could travel the country in a vehicle with a 3d printer and have people just press the print button on a machine and make a instant ready made firearm completely unregistered. This technology not only completely circumvents the law but also makes it irrelevant in one step.
11156  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Kids Stabbed At School In China on: December 18, 2012, 06:50:08 PM
BAN KNIVES! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
11157  Economy / Collectibles / Re: SELLING: NORFED .999 RARE Silver Bullion Collectables BUYING AT SPOT! LIVE PRICE on: December 18, 2012, 06:23:12 PM
Ok, let me know if you need any more info. Thanks.
11158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The 15 Rules of Web Disruption on: December 18, 2012, 04:56:11 AM
This is still important! If you see good examples of any of these on the forum please quote them here.
11159  Other / Off-topic / Re: Regulatory Arbitrage on: December 18, 2012, 04:51:51 AM
Private businesses can do whatever they want as long as they don't damage private property.

Besides, most land along railroads is government property. Why governments need so much land to begin with is beyond me though.

It is a convenient system for dividing land and redefining borders and roads without landowner consent.
11160  Other / Off-topic / Re: Liberty Dollars ban goes into effect at eBay on: December 18, 2012, 04:49:46 AM
Not only did they ban liberty dollars, but they also banned the silver certificates. I don't see how those could be considered counterfeit coins because they aren't even coins.

BTW, I have one original 1998 $1 certificate left -- BTC2, free shipping.


You mean those dollars with the blue seal instead of green?

I mean these.



I'll buy it for 1 btc. I could also offer various copper 1oz norfeds.


BTW, little known fact: Liberty Reserve was formed because of inspiration created by Liberty Dollar to create a more equitable trade system, in this case digitally. The two companies had close relations for a while.
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