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1121  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 11, 2023, 12:33:19 AM
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We are talking about a presidential poll, and this is for aggregate of polls. In this case, I would say that the +1.0% lead shown for Trump is not very insignificant. And as a matter of fact, different poll agencies have published POTUS polls for the last few days. And out of the last 17 polls, only three have shown Biden in the lead. All the other polls have shown either Trump in the lead, or a tie. Given this, I would say that Trump is clearly having an advantage right now. And also, the electoral college system will amplify that advantage.

Still it is not a massive difference, and many things can change in the time we have until the election day.

In any case, it can go either way I think, either Trump or Biden might end up being the next president.

A 1% difference in a poll is still too small in my mind.
1122  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 11, 2023, 12:31:52 AM
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Maybe Messi won't get anything in the next World Cup, but what some users here have mentioned is that Messi is still Messi, a football superstar who has become the idol of footballers all over the world and that also includes Argentinian footballers. Messi won't get anything, but young Argentine national team players will get something very valuable in their lives, namely playing football with Lionel Messi. It is possible that in the 2026 World Cup there will be several new faces in the Argentina national team and we can confirm that their average age is 20-29 years which means they are football players born in 1997-2006 and it is certain that they will be very motivated for every match.

Yes, but I think it is time to leave the space so that other promising younger player get the chance to play.

If Messi goes to the world cup, then they will definitely put him on the team, leaving the younger players with less experience.

I think it's his time to retire at the peak.
1123  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 11, 2023, 12:30:14 AM
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As much as luck remains the primary determinant of a gamblers fate, we could still bank some on skill as, there are a few games that uses a bit of skill and know well in a fair play situation to determine who wins. Games such as we have in sports betting. It’s almost normal for the elite teams to take the lead and shine on every time with some few cases where you can have even an almost relegated team come up with some surprises and be the victor.

Another game for the casino board games is the game of poker and even blackjack. Play your cards right and you just might find yourself winning impressively.

Still, there is a luck factor attached as, you never can accurately speculate when those surprises are going to come or not. So, you don’t ho all in at any point. It could easily turn out to be a big mistake.

Yes, but at the end of the day you could have a naive gambler that played a crappy game that has high odds for the casino, and still managed to win because of luck.

On the other hand, an experienced gambler playing a game like blackjack which has a lower advantage to the casino might lose their entire stack.

It's true that skill might be needed, but at the end of the day it is still a random event.
1124  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election on: October 11, 2023, 12:28:10 AM
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Ironically, lately Biden has done nothing to prevent more sections of the wall to be build, approved the deportation of people from Venezuela back to their country of origin,etc.
Biden may be in his golden ages, but as a politician he is not stupid, he knows people from New York (a democrat/blue location, is suffering for the immense inflow of migrants without having a proper preparation and he does not want to be pointed out as responsible for all the chaos, specially as close as we are from the election day.

This all situation is nothing but a softball for the political rethoric of Trump and the Republican party, I would not be surprised his in the following polls Trump started to even take lead over Biden by some points. Because, whether we like it or not, Trump is good enough at using others mistakes against themselves, for his own political benefit..

I think Trump has a real possibility to become president again in the next elections.

The people in the US are getting extremely polarized and they don't seem happy with the current situation.

At least around half of the people said they would vote for Trump, so that's something that will make it very close on election day.
1125  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: October 10, 2023, 04:41:01 AM
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It happens often, but surely not always. The probability of losing is just slightly higher than  that of winning, so the casino can't  know for sure that if the gambler stays longer he'll lose all his money. We all know that there were cases when very lucky gamblers were asked to leave and were forbidden from entering the casino again. In some cases those gamblers were cheaters, but often they were just lucky and stupid casino managers were afraid of them winning more and more. All this was happening in the past and in land-based casinos. Today online casinos are rather interested in someone's winning big on their platform. Word will spread and more people will be playing on their site, and the volume will do its job for them.
Well, yes, the probability in some games is close to say 50/50, but with a slight advantage to the casinos

Other games have a way larger advantage for the casinos.
Games like dice give a player a 49% chance of winning a bet if the odds are set at 2x, and that doesn't include the house edge as that is cut from the amount if you win the bet. If we talk about slots, most of them have a lower than 97% RTP (Return To Player), so there is basically no chance for a player to get back the complete amount even if the slot gives back to them unless the player is extremely lucky and they manage to win more bets than losing.

So, the probability of losing in slots is obviously higher than in other games and that is the reason why they eat up a lot of money even if they have good RTPs. Other games might not have any RTP, but they provide slightly higher chances for the player to win certain bets.

Yeah, I think many gamblers enjoy the slots for the lights and noises, etc.

But at the end of the day, the odds are pretty bad for the gambler.

I think blackjack is probably the best in terms of odds
1126  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: October 10, 2023, 04:38:31 AM

It seems that casinos have a special algorithm that keeps gamblers hooked to keep playing, especially on games like slot machines. In addition, when we have been gambling for several months, we usually don't like small bets, as we are less excited if we hit the jackpot on a small bet. The bigger the bet, the worse our finances will be.

I think Casinos take advantage of that. Games like slots have a system like they will give you a jackpot when you have a small bet. Seriously, I think a system like that really exists. When you play a small bet, you will get a jackpot on a small bet and of course you will regret placing a large bet in the hope of getting the jackpot again.

Those things are heavily regulated, so I don't think they would actually do that.

The probable explanation is that gamblers make more smaller bets, so there is a larger probability to get a jackpot, that is it.
1127  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 10, 2023, 04:34:52 AM
Speaking of Wikipedia, that's what I found there about "realclearpolitics":

"In 2020, The New York Times noted that since 2017, when a large number of its straight news journalists were laid off, RealClearPolitics has had a rightward, pro-Trump turn"


And I went to Wiki because I was suspecting something like that. Trump "is back on top" for once, and they are happy to report it.

But Trump is not "well ahead", far from it. Even if we take the data from the same site, realclearpolitics.com, it looks like this:



I wouldn't call it "well ahead", to be honest.

Many sportsbetting sites are not accepting bets on 2024 USA elections right now, so, I can't say what bettors think, unfortunately.

First of all, I wouldn't consider Wikipedia as an authentic source of information. And secondly, +1.0% lead for the GOP candidate is earth shattering. During the 2016 POTUS election, Hillary actually had a lead of 1.9% and despite that Trump swept the polls with 304 electoral votes against 227 for Hillary. A lead of +1.0% in favor of Trump would actually mean 400+ electoral votes and even lean-blue states such as Nevada, New Mexico and Maine flipping to the GOP. And I would say that the polls look fairly accurate. There is a lot of anger even in blue states, regarding the border crisis.

I think Wikipedia should be alright as a source of pointers of information, that is, there must be a link to the actual poll in the article.

But 1% is too small difference anyway
1128  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 10, 2023, 04:33:11 AM
excessive frustration lead you to be more aggressive and instead of quitting or stopping it generate the kind of mindset that you needed to proceed and continue, more time to gamble can convert into more money to deposit, the moment you realize that you are doing wrong decision making is when you already emptied your bankroll together with your save money or money that's not supposedly for gambling and supposedly for more important things that it was saved or prepared.
Excessive frustration will only trigger a person to gamble non-stop because he will try to recover his losses and use more money to continue gambling. But it also won't guarantee he can recover his losses and he may experience more losses. But if he can manage his emotions so that they don't escalate further, he will realize that it is time to stop gambling and leave the casino so as not to suffer even more losses. He must be aware of it because he must be a responsible gambler and not spend too much money gambling. Moreover, gambling will not always give you a win, even a small win.

It is actually the most probable outcome to end up losing at casino games.

That is the math of it, it is very clear. The whole business of casinos make some people think they can end up winning, but that is the least probable outcome
1129  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I am only trying to stay safe by gambling less on: October 09, 2023, 09:17:41 AM
For me these days, I do wish I could gamble more instead of spending frivolously and indulging in cheap entertainment that cost me my funds, time and attention. Most times I don't get as much thrill and fun like when I gamble and have my blood pumping or emotions raving, but I know the importance of control and the need to instead save or reinvest my funds to solve a better need.
Investment is in the form of HODLing BTC as I have always said and perhaps in knowledge of trading and real world skill, hence why I heed to forming better money consumption habits than gambling which is easily addictive.

Yeah, gambling is really short timed, very different to actually making an investment, which is more long time focused.

Some people call gambling investing, but it is not really an investment, it is buying the small chance to win money.

And the casinos just keep collecting money from fees and their better odds.
1130  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: October 09, 2023, 09:15:05 AM
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Well, gambling in reality is that we already lose before we start gambling. Because we need to pay first the game before we are allowed to play. And if you’re not lucky enough, you still end up losing all your capital. This is the reality in gambling. Whether you win or lose, the house itself have already been getting initial profits from the players. That is why play only what you can afford to lose, and not end up blaming the casino site for not giving you chances to win.

Yes, gamblers usually don't consider the cost of playing the games, which includes for example entry fees to a casino, or fees for playing a game, and also the odds are against them.

And even if you get lucky and win big, most gamblers will continue playing and lose everything eventually.
1131  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 09, 2023, 09:04:22 AM
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excessive frustration lead you to be more aggressive and instead of quitting or stopping it generate the kind of mindset that you needed to proceed and continue, more time to gamble can convert into more money to deposit, the moment you realize that you are doing wrong decision making is when you already emptied your bankroll together with your save money or money that's not supposedly for gambling and supposedly for more important things that it was saved or prepared.


Yeah, that is the typical scenario of a gambler that believes they can be the lucky ones that will get the big wins if they keep playing the games.

Truth is that the math tells you that moat likely the gambler will end up with less money after they gamble.
1132  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election on: October 09, 2023, 09:01:14 AM
Went to the Eagle Pass border crossing to see what’s really going on

Source https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707565081750290910


In any case, this will grow into a bigger storyline when the election is near. The Whitehouse should begin working with local politicians in those counties before the storyline starts to mention the word invasion.

Situation at the southern border is just appalling. 8,000 illegals are crossing the border each day, as per news reports. Just in the month of August, a total of 232,000 migrants crossed the border without any sort of paperwork. Rolando Salinos (mayor of Eagle Pass) was forced to declare state of emergency. Border agents can't just deal with the huge numbers who are crossing the border and it is quite possible that some may be slipping through without any background/biometry check. And from the pictures, I can see that >95% of the migrants are military age men, with very few women or children among them.

A country should be able to control their borders and select who they want to come in or out of it.

These reports you mentioned basically show that the US is not capable to keep their borders in check.
1133  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 09, 2023, 08:54:16 AM
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Speaking of Wikipedia, that's what I found there about "realclearpolitics":

"In 2020, The New York Times noted that since 2017, when a large number of its straight news journalists were laid off, RealClearPolitics has had a rightward, pro-Trump turn"


And I went to Wiki because I was suspecting something like that. Trump "is back on top" for once, and they are happy to report it.

But Trump is not "well ahead", far from it. Even if we take the data from the same site, realclearpolitics.com, it looks like this:



I wouldn't call it "well ahead", to be honest.

Many sportsbetting sites are not accepting bets on 2024 USA elections right now, so, I can't say what bettors think, unfortunately.


Yeah, I agree with you on this one.

A difference lf 1% in a poll is clearly not a huge distance.

I think people are getting too polarised and they will exaggerate things like this poll for example.
1134  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 09, 2023, 08:50:58 AM
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It's really hard to say which FIFA world cup will be his last world cup because I remember in 2018 Messi said that FIFA 2018 world cup was his last chance to win but out of curiosity, he participated in FIFA 2022 and he won it. He even said again that FIFA 2022 was his last chance but after the win, he even plans to participate in FIFA 2026.
Probably, he is not in phenomenal shape right now because age leaves its mark on the body but Messi's dribbling skills are constantly developing, every year he dribbles better and shows magic tricks, he still hasn't shown his limits. Such a phenomenal player. To be honest, I will not even be surprised if he plays in FIFA 2030. Simply there is no reason for him to retire, he will be way better player at the age of 43 than many other 20 years old players.

To me it would seem a bit silly for Messi to play in the next world cup, he has the chance to retire after he won the world cup, and now he can play a bit more to make some extra cash, plus then he will be able to continue making money by doing ads and things like that.

Playing the next world cup would not bring anything else to him, even if he wins it
1135  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 06, 2023, 03:41:53 PM
Really, addiction is a pretty awful thing. Addiction to anything, but especially to gambling, is bad. It's incredibly difficult to get rid of . The majority of men who are gambling addicts will even steal to play. It's hard for me to hide the fact that I'm a gambling addict before. Even when I didn't have any money, I tried to find some so that I could continue playing.

Thank God for my life, I don't gambling again.
Addiction or using it excessively is not good. But we as humans have the desire to get more so it is normal when we see many people becoming addicted to gambling. But we have a way to prevent gambling addiction from coming to us. We must control ourselves well while gambling and have no desire to chase bigger wins. If they cannot resist that desire, they will only experience loss, resulting in them experiencing frustration and anger because they have experienced that loss. And if you are no longer a gambling addict, you must be truly grateful and never repeat things that could make you become a gambling addict again.

Yeah, at the end of the day what matters is how much money you made minus how much you paid for the games.

A gambler will be addicted of they think they cam earn more than what they pay.

The hard truth is that the odds are against the gambler and the gambler, based on the maths, will eventually lose all their money against the casino
1136  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some of country can offer you legal gambling in 2023! on: October 06, 2023, 03:36:13 PM
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actually no need to use vpn to access gambling sites, you can change the dns on your phone or computer easily, it can be useful for those of you who want to access banned gambling sites, you can use free dns such as clodflere or google dns.

And can you just withdraw money to your local bank when you win big?

I think it is possible for them to refuse payment to certain accounts of banned countries.
1137  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 06, 2023, 03:33:33 PM
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If they are skilled, it is because they learned it to the point of mastering it well. If it is luck, we can only wait for it to come, and it will not come to everyone. Only certain people can get their luck. Successful gamblers may own their casinos, but they hide their identity as casino owners and enjoy their lives peacefully. There is no point in showing off their success because that will only make them enemies.

And it is true that behind success, there are sad stories experienced by each successful person. And if they can learn from the mistakes he made along his journey to success, he will be a successful person. Successful gamblers also learn from their mistakes to become successful gamblers.

It is always luck, and the odds are against the gambler.

In the rare situation that a gambler ends up winning a large amount, the casino will be quick to give them food and drinks for free so that they stay for as long as possible.
1138  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: October 06, 2023, 03:23:21 PM
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Its interesting that a lot of people believe sports betting is just about data, but there's more to it than that, isnt it? The human element of the game is being lost if we only use AI to make predictions. Lets say a star player is injured and the replacement is a beast in training but has little to no internet statistics. That would be completely lost on AI, wouldn't it?

You make a valid point: AI might not be able to discern subtleties that humans do, such as the atmosphere created by instructional videos. Bookies will surely realize the significance of these "hidden gems" if we humans do. They may be ahead of the game, adjusting the odds in light of these revelations. Thus, perhaps, just perhaps, in the realm of sports betting, AI and human intuition go hand in hand.

I think that at the end of the day AI should be able to "watch" and process those practice videos and form an opinion just like how a human would do.

AI can also integrate information from many other sources and watch multiple video streams faster than the time of the videos, which would be impossible for a human.

I think AI has the potential to be better than humans in pretty much every area, eventually
1139  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: October 06, 2023, 03:14:48 PM
Younger players like Kylian Mbappé and Erling Håland believe that moving to the Saudi Professional League can have a negative impact on their future prospects. So it is mostly experienced players like Cristiano Ronaldo, Karim Benzema and Neymar who have moved to SPL till now. But that may change in the future. If the Saudi Professional League becomes one of the most popular leagues in the world, and if the matches are watched by global audience, then the younger players maybe more receptive towards offers from the SPL.
currently, the reason is that young players or players who have high quality talent will refuse to move to the SPL as long as it is not known as one of the best leagues in the world. and that is very natural because Mbappe and Haaland definitely prefer to have a career in europe to improve their talents and experience more challenges and on the one hand, if these players have great careers in europe, of course the prices of these players will also increase.
like Ronaldo and other european star players who are currently in the SPL, initially they had career in europe until they were quite old and after retirement they would receive very high offers to earn large amounts of money before retiring and that is natural thing for me.

At the end of the day many players will be tempted to go there if they are offered a large sum of money.

This is probably the beginning of a shift of where the best players are playing in the future.
1140  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 06, 2023, 03:09:19 PM
As this is the active World Cup thread, I'll post it here
If many here are already thinking it's bad that the World Cup will be played in 3 countries, take a look at this news that just came out:

The 2030 World Cup will be played in 3 continents and 6 countries

A brief summary: Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay (South America) will play the first matches of each team in their own country, to celebrate the centenary of the World Cup
After that, the World Cup will be played "normally" in 3 countries: Portugal, Spain and Morocco (Europe and Africa).

It was FIFA's way of holding the World Cup where it prefers, while still paying tribute to the 100th anniversary of the first World Cup

So, what do you think? A good way for FIFA to please everyone?

The last time I checked it was supposed to be hosted by chile as well.

It looks like chile is now not part of it, I wonder what happened.
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