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1141  Economy / Speculation / Re: Indonesia National Exchange Open in the end of July 2023, Is bullish Start? on: July 21, 2023, 02:31:24 AM


tapi menurut ane sih bagus bagus aja semisal Indonesia punya exchangenya sendiri cuman menurut ane exchange di indonesia udah banyak juga sih  Lips sealed apakah mereka bisa ikut bersaing dengan exchange yang udah ada duluan.
For those who prefer to use centralized exchanges, they will turn to government centralized exchanges rather than private institutions because of its safety. I think they will outperform and prevail over other exchanges in terms of safety. But when the government launches its own exchange, will it continue to license other exchanges or will it find a way to get rid of them?

tapi good news nya semisal ini beneran terjadi ya mungkin bisa ditiru negara lain kalau berhasil dan at the end mungkin kalau berhasil banyak masyarakat yang akan ikut berinvestasi ke dunia crypto


I don't know if this will be good or bad for the market. I don't expect this to happen, although it will be safer for us but again the government will have complete control over us. Moreover, what I fear more is the government monopoly, they will find a way to get rid of other exchanges and force us to use their exchange.
1142  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 20, 2023, 07:03:52 PM
I agree with you. Manchester City have benefited greatly from Erling Haaland last season. Earlier in the season we saw Erling Haaland capable of scoring plenty of goals. We have seen great gameplay from Erling Haaland in every match at the start of the Champions League and Premier League. And he scored a lot of goals. Also, Erling Haaland's fitness is excellent. He admitted to very few injuries. However, we don't see many goals from Erling Haaland as Guardiola changed his match tactics at the start of the season. However, this resulted in Manchester City winning the Premier League and Champions League titles. In the last few Champions League matches we have seen opposition defenders only target Erling Haaland, making it easier for other City players to score.
There will be more exploits for Haaland at his very young age and even Mbappe. This will be the first Champions league where there is not Ronaldo and no Messi in the competition at the same time. They have the floor now to pursue and surpass the record set by both Messi and Ronaldo in the champions league. Currently of the two players, Haaland is in a better team to break the record with Manchester City than Mbappe who we do not yet know exactly the future club he will play for.

Haaland has adapted very well to Manchester City. Haaland is truly talented. At the same time, Haaland is able to score a lot of goals after receiving support from Manchester City players. He scored 36 goals and 8 assists in 35 Premier League matches. On the other hand, Mbappe scored 29 goals and 4 assists in 34 matches. Mbappe is slightly behind Haaland. But if Mbappe is with a stronger team like Real Madrid or Liverpool, I believe Mbappe will be able to score more goals. The upcoming season is going to be very important for these two players.
1143  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 20, 2023, 04:44:52 PM
Guardiola may not be planning to leave Manchester City at the moment as there is no reason for him to leave the club at the moment.
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Manchester city winning champions league is a big achievement for them, before now their performance have been good but it was still very difficult for Manchester City to win champions league even with their great squad . Last season Manchester City were able to win Champions League by defeating every big team they came across with, good performance of Manchester City is nothing new to them, it has been their for sometime but winning the champions league has been something they have been looking for and they  made it, so I think it  is a great achievement for them.
There is a fact called Erling Haaland. As a striker, he is a top level player and his age is still very young. Manchester City will benefit from him for a long time so they are very lucky. He showed maximum efficiency in the Premier League and UCL. He proved his quality once again. Having such a world-class forward was the main factor that drove Manchester City forward last year. They are this year's favorite so far.

I agree with you. Manchester City have benefited greatly from Erling Haaland last season. Earlier in the season we saw Erling Haaland capable of scoring plenty of goals. We have seen great gameplay from Erling Haaland in every match at the start of the Champions League and Premier League. And he scored a lot of goals. Also, Erling Haaland's fitness is excellent. He admitted to very few injuries. However, we don't see many goals from Erling Haaland as Guardiola changed his match tactics at the start of the season. However, this resulted in Manchester City winning the Premier League and Champions League titles. In the last few Champions League matches we have seen opposition defenders only target Erling Haaland, making it easier for other City players to score.
1144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: July 20, 2023, 04:27:00 PM
297/2

Crawley 172 not out. What a piece of batting by the young man, incredible.

AUS in trouble here.

In the end, Australia managed to take the wicket of ZakCrawley. Zak Crawley was sent back to the dressing room by Cameron Green. Zak Crawley's innings stopped at 189 runs. Crawley was just 11 runs short of the double century. He had an excellent innings. 336 runs England lose their third wicket. Joe Root is still unbeaten with 77 runs. Now we are not sure whether we will see England's batting disaster, or we will see another excellent partnership of Root and Brook. But the England team may be able to collect up to 500.
1145  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 18, 2023, 01:43:26 PM
Manchester City is already a strong team in the above-mentioned leagues, and I will argue with you guys, this is sport, and the room for improvement is always given and terms change bro there are terms that manchester united was good, and also Chelsea was all at their peak, and feel manchester city is just at their peak and despite all the credit they should stop acting like demi-Gods, am sure new champions will emerge next season the hype is becoming too much next season is going to be tough, And while other clubs also have good players, Manchester City has an advantage in terms of player utilization because their coach is very experienced. At the moment, I don't believe Pep needs players because he is still keeping an eye on the market. and I have no doubt that other clubs will significantly improve in the upcoming season.
We all know that the time has come for Manchester City to take the helm of the elite board. They have waited patiently for this moment, and Pep Guardiola is the manager who has led them to achieving success. When it comes to Manchester United and Chelsea, their peak seasons have come and gone, and Manchester City is the dominant squad. I have complete optimism for them to do better than their predecessors; it's a joy to watch the city's athletes perform at Etihad Stadium. Manchester City is without a doubt the current winning and dominating squad in the English Premier League.

Arsenal only managed to compete for the title with Manchester City last season. Towards the end of the season, the performances of Arsenal's players were erratic and the points gap between Arsenal and Manchester City increased. City's performance has improved tremendously due to coach Guardiola. The strongest team in the Premier League is Manchester City.

All the teams are trying to make themselves stronger in the coming season. Manchester United and Chelsea in particular are desperately trying to build stronger squads. But I think Manchester City will be favorite for next season's title. Because Manchester City already has a strong squad. And the bonding between the players is very strong.
1146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: July 18, 2023, 09:42:09 AM
Actually I wouldn't say that Atletico Madrid don't care about winning titles exactly. Because they have a wonderful history with Diego Simeone full of many championships. He has achieved 9 titles with Atletico Madrid in his career so far. 2 of them were La Liga titles and there were 2 Europa League titles among them as well. For a past like this I would just say that they actually like to be competitive for championships. However there is a problem about that in the recent times.
They can't be as competitive as in the past anymore. Maybe it is due to Simeone's same strategies' not working anymore. If he leaves after this season we would see whether this team will change.

I would say Atletico Madrid's goal is not the La Liga title. They are happy to qualify for the Champions League. While La Liga sides Barcelona and Real Madrid are spending money to strengthen themselves and adding talented players to their squads, Atletico Madrid are not taking the necessary steps to strengthen their squad. They definitely need to spend money to add talented players to the squad. Otherwise, Atletico Madrid will not be able to stay in the title race with Barcelona and Real Madrid.
1147  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: July 18, 2023, 09:01:38 AM
I thought after the 176 run partnership between Agah Salman and Saud Shakeel maybe going to have a big partnership with Nauman Ali but Pakistan couldn't build a big partnership there either. Then Shaheen Afridi also got out. Pakistan may not be able to give a lead of too many runs. If Pakistan can handle the next few wickets well then they might be able to give some runs and then get advantage for Pakistan's second innings.

Pak 346/8
Pakistan lead by 34 runs

If Pakistan can take a lead of 100 runs it will be enough for them. But I am not sure whether Pakistan will be able to take a lead of 100 runs. Now Pakistan has collected 260 runs after losing 8 wickets. Although Pakistan lost 8 wickets, Saud Shakeel is still at the crease after collecting 140 runs. Pakistan managed to take a lead of 48 runs. If Saud Shakeel is at the crease, Pakistan has a chance of taking a 100-run lead. But since they have lost 8 wickets, it is not easy for batsmen like Naseem Shah and Abrar Ahmed to stay at the crease. It seems that the Pakistan team will take a lead of 70-80 runs.
1148  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 17, 2023, 06:57:27 AM
If Harry Kane wants to win the Champions League title, he will probably choose the Bayern Munich team. Because Bayern Munich can dominate more than Manchester United in the Champions League. However, Manchester United is a strong enough team. Bayern Munich and United are not weak teams. But first Harry Kane should be without Tottenham. However, since Harry Kane has played in the Premier League for a long time, Harry Kane could probably adapt quickly to any Premier League team.
harry kane is bayern's main target at the moment, and I'm quite optimistic that harry kane will choose bayern over manchester united because it's true as you say, bayern is a much better team than MU at the moment. btw there is news that says that when harry kane moved, dusan vlahovic was tottenham's target as a replacement for kane, I think vlahovic is quite suitable to play for tottenham.
I have heard rumors that Bayern Munich and their coach Tuchel are keen to keep Harry Kane on next season. They will try their best to bring Harry Kane to Munich. At the same time, Bayern Munich management will probably decide to sell Sadio Mane. Because Sadio Mane's performance with Bayern Munich was not good. He could not be a worthy replacement for Lewandowski. Mane does not have the ability to score a lot of goals. And so Bayern Munich targets Harry Kane. Kane can score a lot of goals. And getting Kane will make Bayern Munich's attack even stronger. It will be easy for Bayern Munich to dominate the Bundesliga and Champions League.
Kane will fit in to replace Lewandoski because they are both strikers that can't be limited to the numbers of goals that they can score in a season. Mane hasn't performed very well in terms of goal scoring.
This is the right time for Tuchel to take that bold step to bring Kane to Bayern Munich is they want to remain in competition with the rest clubs in UCL. I believe that Kane will be willing to go to Bayern Munich if he cares about winning trophies. A footballer career is not complete if he doesn't win big trophies. I don't see the reason why he is so loyal to Tottenham or is it that he doesn't want to leave his club to another club for more experience.

Lewandowski's worthy replacement would be Harry Kane. He might even be able to score more goals than Lewandowski if he can adapt to Munich's players quickly. Sadio Mane has never been a regular scorer. Bayern Munich made the wrong decision to add Mane to the squad as Lewa's replacement.
Harry Kane should definitely join Munich if he wants to win the title. And if he can stay fit and perform consistently with Munich, Harry Kane has the potential to win the ballon d'Or.
1149  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 16, 2023, 08:13:02 PM
If Harry Kane wants to win the Champions League title, he will probably choose the Bayern Munich team. Because Bayern Munich can dominate more than Manchester United in the Champions League. However, Manchester United is a strong enough team. Bayern Munich and United are not weak teams. But first Harry Kane should be without Tottenham. However, since Harry Kane has played in the Premier League for a long time, Harry Kane could probably adapt quickly to any Premier League team.
harry kane is bayern's main target at the moment, and I'm quite optimistic that harry kane will choose bayern over manchester united because it's true as you say, bayern is a much better team than MU at the moment. btw there is news that says that when harry kane moved, dusan vlahovic was tottenham's target as a replacement for kane, I think vlahovic is quite suitable to play for tottenham.

I have heard rumors that Bayern Munich and their coach Tuchel are keen to keep Harry Kane on next season. They will try their best to bring Harry Kane to Munich. At the same time, Bayern Munich management will probably decide to sell Sadio Mane. Because Sadio Mane's performance with Bayern Munich was not good. He could not be a worthy replacement for Lewandowski. Mane does not have the ability to score a lot of goals. And so Bayern Munich targets Harry Kane. Kane can score a lot of goals. And getting Kane will make Bayern Munich's attack even stronger. It will be easy for Bayern Munich to dominate the Bundesliga and Champions League.
1150  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: July 16, 2023, 05:09:07 PM
Al Hilal will attempts to buy Galatasaray player Nicolo Zaniolo that it say they are willing to pay 120 millions salary for 4 years and he has contract with Galatasaray until 2027 but this summer he was rumoured to moved from this team because reported Juventus are interested want to bought him from Galatasaray but apparently huge amount of salary which is offered by Al Hilal might be will tempting him to moved to Saudi Pro League and actually Zaniolo has arrived to Galatasaray on Feb this year but he has impressive performance and can able to help Galatasaray to get Turkish league title however Zaniolo is still 24 years old so he still have good potention to playing at european clubs and i think he should be thinking twice to accept the offers from Al Hilal
Saudi clubs are doing their best to improve their league. This is why they are bringing the world's best star players like Ronaldo and Benzema to the Saudi club. At the same time, the Saudi clubs are trying to take various young players from the world. Because they know very well that if the clubs improve, the Saudi national team will improve. They will become more experienced. Al Hilal is trying to move Nicolo Zaniolo to the team. Quite talented player Nicolo Zaniolo. But he is still young. And so Nicolo Zaniolo will probably try to go to a Serie A or Premier League team. If he can't move to a renowned team in the Premier League or Serie A, we'll probably see Nicolo Zaniolo at Al Hilal next season.
They are not bringing the best stay players to the Saudi Professional League, they are bringing players to the league who once used to be the best or one of the best, but are now looking for a big cheque to make their declining years taste even better. They are still far away from bringing the best players into the league who are in their prime time at the date of the transfer. Not sure if anything has ever become public, but I would like to know whether these Saudi clubs also tried their luck with players like Mbappe or Haaland and how much they offered them if they now came to Saudi Arabia Who knows maybe the managers of the players said no immediately when they received a first offer, but it would still be interesting to know if they tried it.

Clubs in Saudi Arabia are trying to add the best players to the squad. Players like Ronaldo and Benzema are very experienced. And Saudi clubs are trying to bring these experienced players to the club. They are not interested in young players. By performing with experienced players, the Saudi Arabian national team players will become more experienced. But if the Saudi League is more developed, maybe in the future we will see young star players also playing in the Saudi League.
1151  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: July 16, 2023, 05:03:32 PM
Bangladesh's decision to bowl first after winning the toss turn out working well, as their bowlers have been in control of the game, However, there was a rain interruption, and now the match will be played for 17 overs (DLS) method. At the moment few balls left, it's quite challenging for the Afghan batters to reach 150 runs. I'm looking 120 runs after playing 17 overs.
Yeh absolutely Some significant pieces of bowling from Bangladesh side hold opponent batter to make any big damage during target building while opponent are ready to take his revenge of his previous defeat but all in vain as due to DLS over comes down to 17 which has really impact thier total target, while expected target were 150 around. Now Bangladesh batter are looking pretty confident because they has scored 66 runs in 8th over without dismissal of any batter, chances of thier victory are pretty high because thier ongoing run-rate are higher than required. I am sure that this will be an easy win for Bangladesh if Rashid didn't show his magic.
In T20 cricket batsmen especially in death overs they try to play aggressively. But Afghanistan cricket could not play those overs and as a result their score was not very long. Bangladesh team is going to get a very easy win as per requirement. At this moment Bangladesh team need only 40 runs to win with 31 balls in hand even though they have lost 3 wickets. But if we can see 3 more wickets then the result of the match can be changed. But naturally the victory of the Bangladesh team is almost certain. Because there is no pressure to collect those runs.
Bangladesh did not play under much pressure with Afghanistan in the T20. Because Bangladesh team batting and bowling performance is stronger than Afghanistan which is proven in this match. I would like to say that their run tally is very short due to the fall of Afghanistan's wickets but Bangladesh were very conscious of the wickets in that regard. Due to which Bangladesh won very easily, especially Liton Das and Afif Hossain's run collection was very interesting in the power play. Afghanistan's fast bowling has given many runs in the over and the fast ball Bangladesh batsmen can play very well.

Despite not winning the ODI series, the Bangladesh team played well in the T20 series. However, the Afghanistan team was a little more experienced in the T20 format than Bangladesh. The performance of Bangladesh batsmen was very good in both the matches. Liton Das managed to bat well in today's match. Shakib also picked up 2 wickets and played a brilliant innings of 18 runs off just 11 balls. Shakib's performance was very responsible. However, since Bangladesh's expectations are high in the upcoming ODI World Cup, the players will have to try to bring more consistency in their performances.
1152  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My personal savings now I will invest in Bitcoin on: July 16, 2023, 02:54:26 AM
I have been thinking about trading in Bitcoin for quite some time now. I have been involved with Bitcoin for a long time but am still thinking about investing here. I used to run DPS in the bank for 30 dollars per month for 5 years, this DPS will complete 5 years this month. I'll get roughly $1800, I don't think it's much of a savings to keep that money in the bank. Bangladesh is suffering from a severe dollar crisis due to which many banks are likely to go bankrupt. The names of those banks have not yet been published by any mass media. Because of the economic condition of Bangladesh, I want to invest my money in Bitcoin. I still don't understand if my decision is right, please let me know your opinion
Being able to save about $1800 for 5 years means you can survive without this money and is likely the money that you can afford to lose. Investing in Bitcoin is a good idea since your local fiat currency is going down in value due to inflation and Bitcoin is an inflation hedge. All I have to say is that investment in digital currency like Bitcoin is risky, and you should be aware of that, don't go all in, invest with good DCA, and be patient with your investment just as you did with the money in the Bank.
Thats really a good saving. As stated op is able to have his life moving without the help of the savings. Investing into bitcoin is really good and the right choice. All around the world inflation is a big problem and op have taken the right decision. Whether it is bitcoin or something else, we shouldn't expect the return out of the investment at the shortest and it need to be given time. So long term focus is much important and we should be careful to enjoy profit, if there is growth happening in between.

It took him 5 years to save $1800, which means he could still live without it, but he wouldn't be willing to lose it. Because if he loses it, it will take him another 5 years to save, if it were you, would you be willing to lose it and spend another 5 years saving again? Bitcoin is a potential investment, but that doesn't mean you won't risk or lose money investing in it, so it would be a bad idea to invest all your savings in bitcoin.
Don't forget life is full of surprises, and to minimize risk, we should diversify our assets, why not invest 50% in bitcoin and 50% in savings?
1153  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 15, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
One beauty about the UEFA Champions League is that it is the home of surprises and upsets. Newcastle can pull up a surprise in the champions league next season and surprise many punters of the game. I believe the Newcastle United team goal is to reach the round of 16 of the UEFA Champions League. I believe Eddie Howe can achieve that
If you look at it in terms of the main goal of all the teams that have entered the Champions League next season is to win the Champions League. But because remembering that it will never be easy for all teams in fighting to become champions in the Champions League, of course some teams only target achievements for certain rounds. But if they can get more than that, I think that's more worthy of being called a surprise.

Winning the Champions League title is always very difficult. The best teams from La Liga, Premier League, Serie A, and Bundesliga perform in the Champions League. Almost every team has a strong squad. This is why it is very difficult to predict which team will win the Champions League. Real Madrid, Manchester United, Barcelona, and Bayern Munich are all looking to strengthen their squads. Adding new players to the squad. And so I am not sure whether the performance of these teams will be stable in the coming season. But Guardiola has kept his squad largely unchanged. Manchester City's performance is most likely to be stable at the start of next season.
1154  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Turkish Super League 2023/24 Season on: July 15, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
I was reading on news that Mauro Icardi will be paid something like 10 million euros a year which seems absurdly high to me, compared to finances of Turkish teams and average wage of players in Turkish teams. I think this can cause disruption in team chemistry. But I don't think Galatasaray will be able to find better striker anyways - even if you find good one now there will be mental issues because of new transfer etc.
Mauro Icardi loaned from PSG had a spectacular season at Galatasaray, netting 23 goals and 8 assists in all competitions to help them win the Turkish league title, which is more than enough to convince the Turkish club side to pen him down on full time. According to Romano Fabrizio, the sum of €10 million might convince the french giant to sell. This looks like a good business for me considering the fact that he's one of europe's top striker, he's just 30 and at the peak of his career. Galatasaray should hasten up to seal the deal since they have other competitors like Roma who's also interested in bringing him back to Italy.
This was a perfect loan for Galatasaray last season. Icardi wasnt playing in PSG and was in bad form and just went to Galatasaray and dominated the league easily. Too bad that Galatasaray wasnt able to keep him for another season because they really need a striker such as him that can score a lot of goals.

Mauro Icardi was not successful with PSG. He scored just 23 goals in 3 seasons with PSG. But with Galatasaray, he scored 22 goals in the first season in the Super Lig. He has been able to adapt himself to this group very quickly. And scoring a lot of goals Galatasaray management should try their best to keep Mauro Icardi in the squad. Otherwise, Galatasaray's performance will deteriorate next season. At the same time, there is no guarantee that Mauro Icardi's performance will not deteriorate if he returns to the PSG squad. Perhaps Mauro Icardi is not comfortable staying with PSG.
1155  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: July 15, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
Al Hilal will attempts to buy Galatasaray player Nicolo Zaniolo that it say they are willing to pay 120 millions salary for 4 years and he has contract with Galatasaray until 2027 but this summer he was rumoured to moved from this team because reported Juventus are interested want to bought him from Galatasaray but apparently huge amount of salary which is offered by Al Hilal might be will tempting him to moved to Saudi Pro League and actually Zaniolo has arrived to Galatasaray on Feb this year but he has impressive performance and can able to help Galatasaray to get Turkish league title however Zaniolo is still 24 years old so he still have good potention to playing at european clubs and i think he should be thinking twice to accept the offers from Al Hilal

Saudi clubs are doing their best to improve their league. This is why they are bringing the world's best star players like Ronaldo and Benzema to the Saudi club. At the same time, the Saudi clubs are trying to take various young players from the world. Because they know very well that if the clubs improve, the Saudi national team will improve. They will become more experienced. Al Hilal is trying to move Nicolo Zaniolo to the team. Quite talented player Nicolo Zaniolo. But he is still young. And so Nicolo Zaniolo will probably try to go to a Serie A or Premier League team. If he can't move to a renowned team in the Premier League or Serie A, we'll probably see Nicolo Zaniolo at Al Hilal next season.
1156  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: July 15, 2023, 03:42:59 PM
I didn't mean to say that he is the best in the world, but when you try to give the whole situation an objective view, isn't Mbappe the one who creates the most enthusiasm in all the kids and younger players who look up to him? That is a value that goes beyond his quality as a player over a longer period of time, but the moments he has are definitely among the best the sport has ever seen.
We definitely agree that Mbappe is the best striker in Liague 1 at the moment, and it's natural because there Mbappe is supported by a capable squad and the League is not as competitive and hard as the EPL. I think if Mbappe moves to Madrid or let's say to an EPL club then he will feel the pressure and burden he bears in every game, I'm sure he won't get any better if he manages to move. Especially Mbappe has a high selfish attitude and this backfired for him to build good relationships between fellow players if one day he moved from PSG.
There are lots of examples of players like Mbappe and after joining another club his performance and quality slowly declined, because he didn't have a humble attitude and felt like he was a big star.
I think I disagree here, because Mbappe is too good to not be able to adapt to tougher environments or leagues. There is a reason that he is already in the top 20 of the Champions League goal scorer list and also scored 38 goals in 68 games for the national team. His goals aren't only scored against Ajaccio, but against the best teams in the world on a regular basis. I wish he would go to a club in the Premier League as I think that should be the place for him to improve even more.

Mbappe is an excellent player as evidenced by his national team performances. Mbappe had a great performance in the France jersey. Mbappe's performance in the World Cup also impressed everyone. But while Mbappe is a great player, he is a bit selfish. As if Mbappe's selfish gameplay had a negative impact on the team's overall performance. However, Mbappe is a good fit for any Premier League team. Mbappe's fitness is very good. And Mbappe has the ability to score a lot of goals in the Premier League. I would be happy if Mbappe joins Liverpool or Manchester United.
1157  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Understanding Bitcoin's Potential Realistically on: July 15, 2023, 02:39:02 AM
I agree with your point, bitcoin is bringing a lot of innovation in the financial world, but that doesn't mean bitcoin will become a panacea for our world. It's ridiculous how many people are so crazy about bitcoin that they see it as a savior that can alleviate poverty and improve the world economy, bitcoin will solve all problems for the world if we accept it Globally...They don't look at the ongoing reality that bitcoin is only seen as a tool for speculation. And for it to become a global payment method will also take much time, even more unlikely, let alone bigger things. We should be realistic and set goals for each stage instead of living in illusions, it will not make us better.
The reason for them being so hyped and overly optimistic about Bitcoin and what it can do is because they are invested in it, they've put money into bitcoin and they know that being optimistic and saying something positive about bitcoin helps in raising it's value, they don't look in the reality because it's the truth and the truth hurts so they live in this delusion that bitcoin is the cure all solution for all the worldly problems out there. If I'm being honest, there's already a solution existing since the Industrial revolution, the ruling class just don't want to do it because it destroys their control over the people that they govern.

I also invest in bitcoin, but I cannot live under the same illusion as them Cheesy Cheesy. I like to see things realistically and always have backup plans because the more value something creates, the greater the risk. Furthermore, in my opinion, spreading misinformation about bitcoin won't make it any better, and it will sometimes backfire on bitcoin's reputation. No one can stop them from exaggerating about bitcoin, but if they really love bitcoin, then they shouldn't spread that misinformation.
1158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Understanding Bitcoin's Potential Realistically on: July 14, 2023, 03:41:51 AM
I agree with your point, bitcoin is bringing a lot of innovation in the financial world, but that doesn't mean bitcoin will become a panacea for our world. It's ridiculous how many people are so crazy about bitcoin that they see it as a savior that can alleviate poverty and improve the world economy, bitcoin will solve all problems for the world if we accept it Globally...They don't look at the ongoing reality that bitcoin is only seen as a tool for speculation. And for it to become a global payment method will also take much time, even more unlikely, let alone bigger things. We should be realistic and set goals for each stage instead of living in illusions, it will not make us better.
1159  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is it Advisable joining Bitcoin signal group? on: July 14, 2023, 03:26:06 AM
as long as it is free then why not join ? but trust me most signal groups has only the same intention and that is to pump their own supported projects and degrade those they hated.
free signals are mostly created for nothing but to favor those creator and not us investors.
most of them are liars and of course scammers.
just do your own research mate and study everything before putting your money inside.


Free cheese is only found in a mousetrap. At some point there will be a catch and if you drop your guard because you have gotten used to the group and perhaps even built up some form of trust, you will be tricked into giving someone your money. Or worse, you will simply lose all your money on some quacks ideas on trading speculation. Avoid signal groups like the plague and you will be a happier person for it.

Furthermore, anything that has to do with Telegram should be considered a scam automatically. The same goes for groups which are on discord or other unprofessional, discrete locations/platforms. Scammers use such platforms because its easy to stay anonymous and/or deny posting histories.

Whether they are paid or free, we should stay away because there is nothing better than coming up with our own analysis and predictions. Sometimes we can be wrong with our predictions, but at least we control ourselves and not passively depend on others.

But I disagree with you that everything on telegram or Discord is a scam, there are still a lot of market news channels, and on-chain data is very useful for investors. I also use telegram to follow the market movements, and so far, everything is fine. It may be scammers' favorite social network, but not all are scams.
1160  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If bitcoin according to Satoshi is digital money then why call it investment. on: July 13, 2023, 05:47:17 AM


... and at the same time if you ever want to then you could pay stuff with crypto as well. This makes it like the greatest investment ever, you can't buy stuff with stocks or gold, it's rare and very very unique situation, usually you can't, and you can't invest into dollar because it loses value over time. So, bitcoin is far better than any of them.

I don't think this is true, I don't think you can buy anything with cryptocurrencies, specifically bitcoin. So far, not many countries or many stores accept bitcoin as a payment method, and that is unlikely to become widespread in the future. Governments are accepting bitcoin, but they are treating it as a commodity, an asset, it is tough to accept a volatile asset as a method of payment.

I know that bitcoin has not gone the way Satoshi had planned, but it is a good thing that it is becoming an investment. Since it is still bringing so many benefits to us, many people have changed their lives thanks to bitcoin. So I don't see anything wrong with it being an investment.
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