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1141  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 17, 2016, 11:09:16 AM
jl777 has addressed the issue about competition with Zcash before:

I want to address the issue of "competition with zcash"
There is none.

open source projects are open source in the hopes that other projects utilize it, build on it, maybe even grant back improvements. That is exactly what komodo is doing. Utilizing zcash, building on it and we will of course gladly give back any and all improvements zcash team deems worthy. They are not going to be doing GUI for a while, so maybe we can contribute a dual ZEC/KMD GUI. And if they want to, they can even just strip out the KMD part of the GUI, but they dont strike me as that type.

I have also extended an offer for the 5% staking revenues from the zkp protected funds as there is no way to calculate anything but the aggregate amount in protected form. So this interest can either just extend the coin emission, or it can be donated to the zcash team. So far no interest in this from them. Probably since they are well funded and will be making a ton of money with the ZEC, which I expect to be a game changer in crypto.

The history of zcash starts with zerocoin that Dr. Matt Green wanted to have bitcoin adopt. Well, that didnt get very far... So there is now a zcash company that is creating a bitcoin compatible + zcash combo. Are they doing it with a profit motive? It doesnt look like it to me, they want the zkp tech to be disseminated far and wide. And they are only making money if ZEC becomes worth a lot. Money is nice and pays the bills, but that does not appear to be the primary motivation.

Being adopted by major projects is exactly what creates the big value to the original fork. And being adopted by major projects disseminates the zkp tech far and wide. After komodo's example, my guess is that there will be many other zcash forks so komodo will just be the first of many.

jl777 compares the situation with Apple, Intel, and their "competitition":

zcash has a great team and has done an incredible job putting the zksnarks into bitcoin protocol and they will be continually improving the tech at that level. So it is more like an Apple and Intel "competitition". Does Apple compete with Intel?

i wouldnt say it does. Apple uses the intel processors, along with many others. And Intel does make their own computers, so the analogy is pretty close

I think what people get caught up in is the financial aspect, but when dealing with crypto currencies it isnt exactly like a consumer product. The network effect  is one of the most powerful things and the more the zcash protocol is used, the more valuable zcash is. it is not purely a cashflow thing when what your "product"  can be used as money.

Money is worth more when more people use it. Now we can split hairs and say if people are using KMD they are not using ZEC, but if you look at the protocol level, both are using zcash.

Looking at the big picture, think about what the effect on zcash would have been had KMD chosen cryptonote tech to use. I think we are in a stage where the industry standards are still not decided on privacy tech. The protocol that gets selected will allocate massive future valuations to the entities that are at the cutting edge of that protocol.

Using the Intel analogy, if you go back in time, once there was a battle between Intel and Motorola in the very early days of CPU. The "protocol" in this case is the CPU instruction set, little endian vs big endian, opcodes, etc. And Intel ended up with the winning protocol so over the decades, Intel grew massively while Motorola languished. When Apple switched to Intel CPU, that was basically the end of the Motorola CPU as far as any meaningful marketshare.

Mapping this to the crypto space, we are in a similar stage. Other than bitcoin, things are all potential and we dont have the mass market version yet. Without privacy, corporations wont use crypto for anything other than petty cash. Looking forward it will be hard to stop the proliferation of crypto based products, just as it wasnt possible to stop the proliferation of CPU based products. How many products have a CPU inside them now? That is a rough estimate to the number of blockchains we will have in the future.

This is why I am working hard to standardize on as much as possible. The bitcoin hashrate to secure all the blockchains. The zcash protocol for privacy. Atomic cross chain swaps for interop. But all this is "under the hood" tech that the fancy GUI will hide from the end user. In one sense it is invisible, but it is as important as the selection of CPU and protocol stack. There are no governing standards bodies, so the standardization needs to emerge from the adoption.

I hope you can better understand why I dont see komodo as competing with zcash.
1142  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 17, 2016, 11:01:16 AM
why would this be better than zcash the real thing that is being in launched 2 weeks, i for one dont want my btc stuck in here when that launches

The beauty of open source projects is that they help each other. We expect many projects to use the Zcash privacy technology, and that we are simply the first to do so.

SuperNET needs to have its own privacy technology so it can have more agile development, and not be depended on others. SuperNET, Iguana, or any other SuperNET related project doesn't have its own blockchain (it's not a coin). The only 'coin' we have had is the BTCD, and now we are going to upgrade it into Komodo.

Moreover, it's not only about privacy functions, it's also about dPoW. Our roadmap needs a way to secure weak chains, as we will have 'assetchains' where every asset has its own chain. Then those assets can be traded via atomic swaps in a decentralized exchange. So Komodo's dPoW plays a vital role in this vision, and of course it can be used by any other blockchain if they want to (even Zcash).

For example the Stratis Platform has talked about how they are interested about using dPoW as a 2FA method to secure their private chains.

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Will Stratis consider using Komodo's dPoW to additionally secure its mainchain and private chains with Bitcoin's hashrate?

That is a very good question!

I have worked with jl777 before and he is a very talented developer and I have got a lot of time form James.

I know he gets a lof of slack from people but one thing that cannot be denied is his skills: he is a very skilled developer and very skilled around blockchain. I have spoken with him about a dPoW and what I will say is we are definitely considering providing dPoW functionality on private chains.

Whatever we actually think about implementing it in the actual Stratis parent chain... Probably not but it would definitely be a very cool feature to offer on private chains. If a private chain was secured by the Stratis chain and also secured by dPoW it would actually give it a two-factor consensus model. They wouldn't be relying on just one form of consensus to validate the blockchain, but it would actually have two methods. It gives them additional redundancy so it is definitely something we are going to look into.

I really like Komodo and the concept behind it and dPoW.
1143  Economy / Services / Re: Komodo Signature and Avatar Campaign | Member - Legendary on: October 17, 2016, 08:39:20 AM
I was looking at the signature rules and realised that payment is double if you make 150 posts within the ICO period. But 150 posts during 5-6 weeks is too much, wouldn't it encourage people to spam?

In my opinion, if you lowered this threshold, lets say 100 posts, I think it would encourage more people to write more without resorting to spam. For example, I would try to reach 100 posts (I have 30 already) but will not try to reach 150, its too much. I think this is true for most members and full/sr members

150 is 6 times of 25 posts, but the payment is just double, in my view, it doesn't encourage spam, but encourage to post as few and good as possible. I tend to post 25 quality post, not get only double payment of 6 times of work load posts.


One question, when will you count total posts? After te ico ended?

Yes, the campaign ends on Novembe 20th

That's the deadline to get the posts.
1144  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 10:15:14 PM
Any bounties? facebook or twitter campaign?
Not bountie facebook and twitter!!
and
Bounties Campaign is over!!
But your Signature Campaign is still running and open for new participants https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1619450.0

The campaign in running, but it is full. However we can still accept a few hero/legendary members if they want to join.
1145  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 08:32:53 PM

Yesterday the Iguana GUI team released the first Iguana beta v0.1 version for advanced users.

Take a look: https://github.com/SuperNETorg/Iguana-GUI/releases/tag/v0.1-beta

We will have to wait a little longer to get an easy install version for the average joe like myself  Cool
1146  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 07:10:56 PM
If you are still having problems

You need to do this: flush DNS

Why I can before do registration, put money and now this problem?
BTW made flush DNS and still same... will wait

Try a hard refresh (Ctrl + F5 or Shift + F5), and then login again, then wait a few minutes

Regardless, your investment is safe with us and you will receive KMD!
1147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 06:39:17 PM
If you are still having problems

You need to do this: flush DNS
1148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 06:13:36 PM
I cannot access to my account.
It's stucking on signing (when I am pushing) and without any progress can be orange for the ages...
is it ok?Huh

Hmm... it is sometimes a bit slow.

Try again little later, and wait a couple minutes before refreshing.

Most people have been able to login.
1149  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 05:59:29 PM
I have just  invested 0.4BTC today but it was shown 20%bonus but not 25% bonus as said about 24hours extended
Please tell me if it is right or I'm wrong? Thanks
This will be updated manually to 25%.

Thank you for your reply. I will wait for this
May I  join this signature campaign?

Unfortunately the sig campaign is full!
1150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 05:05:36 PM
Troubleshooting

Our ICO site gives no feedback or confirmation email, so it might seem like it is not working. We are fixing these issues, and they should be done by midnight. We are also going to ad a 2FA feature.

Another thing is that the login process can take quite a while, so just wait patiently and it should work.

If you:
 - Can't access site --> Change DNS to google ones (8.8.8.8 ect)
 - Can't register --> Takes a while and doesn't give feedback right now.
 - Sign in --> Even if registering seemed to have failed, just try logging in and wait for 30 seconds or more. Should work then.

If you are still having problems You need to do this: flush DNS

Minimun investment

The minimum investment is 0.0777 BTC. If you send under it, then you will have to do another payment so the total goes over 0.0777 BTC.

We have also noticed an investments of exactly 0.0777 is not taken into account, as it should go over that amount. That is a bug, and it will be fixed soon.

About the bonus extension

We have promised everyone an chance to get the 25 % first day bonus, and due to the problems we have had some were not able to invest. Thus we have extended the bonus by 24 hours.

This has been done only once, and we have no intentions to dilute the early investments! We simply just must give an equal chance for everyone to participate.

About the BTCD Swap

It begins after the ICO! No rush Smiley

WARNING: Do not try to send BTCD to any ICO address! You could lose your BTCD. If you want to invest via BTCD then just buy it and hold it in your own address. The BTCD swap happens after the ICO and we will provide more info about it later.

About the KMD/BTC exchange rate

We can calculate that only after the ICO has ended and we know the exact amount of BTC raised. You can try to estimate it by using our ICO calculator.

How much have we raised?

You can check the ICO status from our multisig address: https://blockchain.info/address/35Rwwc9e2Mj7smFXJ1iXF826cMW3tqfz6x

WARNING: Do not send any funds there directly! Use your own BTC address generated by the ICO site.

*simple explanations*

100,000,000 Komodo tokens
90,000,000 to ico and coin swap of btcd
Max btc is 30,000 and the ico ends if reached before ico scheduled to end.
Calculations will be at the end of the ico the following way...
Bitcoins collected + total btcd on the market for a swap will be divided by 90,000,000 and you get what % you have invested.
1st day 25% bonus was extended an extra 24hrs due to challenges getting into the site...no terms have changed.

Hope this gives some clarity.
1151  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 04:55:06 PM
Okay it's already 3 hours after I sent the 0.0277 in my account but I still did not received credits on my account?

I sent first 0.05 BTC last 11 hours then I sent 0.0277 BTC last 3 hours since the minimum btc required is 0.0777.

Try sending a third very small amount. I suspect that the investment size must be over 0.0777 and not equal to it. Sorry about this.

If it doesn't work then we will do it manually, but in any case you will get your KMD!

So why is invest with Bitcoin if the Btcd way is lower priced?

BTCD is priced by the market... what whatever it is a better investment or not depends on its price. With a higher demand its price too will rise.

WARNING: Do not try to send BTCD to any ICO address! You could lose your BTCD. If you want to invest via BTCD then just buy it and hold it in your own address. The BTCD swap happens after the ICO and we will provide more info about it later.
1152  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
I have tons of questions:
Do you know the rate of btcd swap rate?
Will btcd become kmd in the future so there will no btcd in the future?
Is the swap rate better than bitcoin buy rate?

Thanks for answers.  Grin Grin

Yes, we have promised a certain exchange rate, plus the average bonus BTC investors get.

Komodo is a BTCD 2.0, so we encourage everyone to swap.

More info:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1605144.msg16115491#msg16115491
https://steemit.com/komodo/@komodoplatform/komodo-ico-questions-and-answers

You are welcome!

When precisly ends 25% bonus now that it was extended, please? Want to get some friends in.

The 25 % bonus ends exactly on October 17th, 3PM UTC
1153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
*simple explanations*

100,000,000 Komodo tokens
90,000,000 to ico and coin swap of btcd
Max btc is 30,000 and the ico ends if reached before ico scheduled to end.
Calculations will be at the end of the ico the following way...
Bitcoins collected + total btcd on the market for a swap will be divided by 90,000,000 and you get what % you have invested.
1st day 25% bonus was extended an extra 24hrs due to challenges getting into the site...no terms have changed.

Hope this gives some clarity.

Great summary!

Thank you.
1154  Economy / Services / Re: Komodo Signature and Avatar Campaign | Member - Legendary on: October 16, 2016, 02:27:02 PM
I was looking at the signature rules and realised that payment is double if you make 150 posts within the ICO period. But 150 posts during 5-6 weeks is too much, wouldn't it encourage people to spam?

In my opinion, if you lowered this threshold, lets say 100 posts, I think it would encourage more people to write more without resorting to spam. For example, I would try to reach 100 posts (I have 30 already) but will not try to reach 150, its too much. I think this is true for most members and full/sr members

Thanks for the feedback! However we won't change the rules anymore, it would just bring extra hassle and possibly make the campaign a lot more expensive as we have quite many participants.
1155  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
The ICO platform says that there must be a minimum deposit of 0.0777 BTC. Is this a general minimum deposit or does it only hold for purchases over ShapeShift?

It is a general minimum. If you send less, then you should resend more so the total amount is at least 0.0777 BTC.
1156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 12:46:36 PM


There are 90 000 000 KMD coins distributed in the ICO (90 % of total supply), that is fixed amount. The BTC we raise is not fixed.

Is it clear now? With the calculator linked it is easy to calculate how many KMD's you would receive, if we would raise 2000 BTC total, for example.




I dont think you get what I mean
The 90 million Komodo will be distributed to all users who a) invest in the ICO or b) swap BTCD
Right?
This will be done a couple of weeks after the ICO, right? You arent waiting a full year later to determine final supply #?

But what about people who swap BTCD for Komodo in 6 months? Where does that supply come from/how do you know how many people are going to swap ?

Right after the ICO we can calculate the BTC/KMD and BTCD/KMD exchange rates, and then the BTCD swapping begins. We will reserve X amount of KMD for the BTCD swap (we know the total BTCD supply).

There will be enough KMD reserved for those who do the swap 6 months later. You don't have to wait full year to get KMD, you can get it a few weeks after the ICO when our mainnet is launched.


WOW, change the term now, good attempt, you can extend the ico period? So greedy to lure more money, it is the skills of jl777 usually uses.   Grin Grin  

Would you like to elaborate? Where are you referring to?

We haven't changed any terms or term, the ICO period has not been extended. A 25 % bonus duration was extended by 24 hours because of the ICO site problems.
1157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
Troubleshooting

Our ICO site gives no feedback or confirmation email, so it might seem like it is not working. We are fixing these issues, and they should be done by midnight. We are also going to ad a 2FA feature.

Another thing is that the login process can take quite a while, so just wait patiently and it should work.

If you:
 - Can't access site --> Change DNS to google ones (8.8.8.8 ect)
 - Can't register --> Takes a while and doesn't give feedback right now.
 - Sign in --> Even if registering seemed to have failed, just try logging in and wait for 30 seconds or more. Should work then.

If you are still having problems You need to do this: flush DNS

Minimun investment

The minimum investment is 0.0777 BTC. If you send under it, then you will have to do another payment so the total goes over 0.0777 BTC.

We have also noticed an investments of exactly 0.0777 is not taken into account, as it should go over that amount. That is a bug, and it will be fixed soon.

About the bonus extension

We have promised everyone an chance to get the 25 % first day bonus, and due to the problems we have had some were not able to invest. Thus we have extended the bonus by 24 hours.

This has been done only once, and we have no intentions to dilute the early investments! We simply just must give an equal chance for everyone to participate.

About the BTCD Swap

It begins after the ICO! No rush Smiley

WARNING: Do not try to send BTCD to any ICO address! You could lose your BTCD. If you want to invest via BTCD then just buy it and hold it in your own address. The BTCD swap happens after the ICO and we will provide more info about it later.

About the KMD/BTC exchange rate

We can calculate that only after the ICO has ended and we know the exact amount of BTC raised. You can try to estimate it by using our ICO calculator.

How much have we raised?

You can check the ICO status from our multisig address: https://blockchain.info/address/35Rwwc9e2Mj7smFXJ1iXF826cMW3tqfz6x

WARNING: Do not send any funds there directly! Use your own BTC address generated by the ICO site.

*simple explanations*

100,000,000 Komodo tokens
90,000,000 to ico and coin swap of btcd
Max btc is 30,000 and the ico ends if reached before ico scheduled to end.
Calculations will be at the end of the ico the following way...
Bitcoins collected + total btcd on the market for a swap will be divided by 90,000,000 and you get what % you have invested.
1st day 25% bonus was extended an extra 24hrs due to challenges getting into the site...no terms have changed.

Hope this gives some clarity.
1158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 11:17:02 AM
What? Another 24 hours extension?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  This looks make bonus not attractive any more, right? I saw ico in first day is smooth, but why extend 1 more day? It will dilute our bonus.   Angry Angry

We extended it only once, so we will have the 25% bonus total of 48 hours. It ends October 17th 3PM UTC

IF people have 1 year from the end of the ICO To exchange BTCD, how can the final figure for "funds raised" be determined before that 1 year is up / the final balance of Komodo determined? Because its dependent on how many people exchange BTCD right?

We must assume that all the BTCD is swapped, and most probably most of it will. The BTCD's have a promised exchange rate which is used to calculate how many KMD's each BTC and BTCD buy.

We have made a calculator for this! Check it out

what do you mean? the supply wont be exactly fixed, it might increase a little bit more as more people swap ?

There are 90 000 000 KMD coins distributed in the ICO (90 % of total supply), that is fixed amount. The BTC we raise is not fixed.

Is it clear now? With the calculator linked it is easy to calculate how many KMD's you would receive, if we would raise 2000 BTC total, for example.


Wait until all of the site will work normally, and will make swap small amount BTCD.

BTCD swapping begins after the ICO! Smiley
1159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
IF people have 1 year from the end of the ICO To exchange BTCD, how can the final figure for "funds raised" be determined before that 1 year is up / the final balance of Komodo determined? Because its dependent on how many people exchange BTCD right?

We must assume that all the BTCD is swapped, and most probably most of it will. The BTCD's have a promised exchange rate which is used to calculate how many KMD's each BTC and BTCD buy.

We have made a calculator for this! Check it out
1160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo ICO - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: October 16, 2016, 09:50:13 AM
What is the ico's escrow address?

This is our multisig address: https://blockchain.info/address/35Rwwc9e2Mj7smFXJ1iXF826cMW3tqfz6x

Please note that you should not send investments directly to that address!
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