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1141  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 23, 2016, 01:07:10 PM
hey,

is there a good video about iconomi? i wanna show some friends what iconomi does.
Not yet, since there is nothing to video yet - the platform is not active yet.
Good idea, though.
If we already talk about good marketing ideas, how about Iconomi t-shirts for the ICO participants?
1142  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 23, 2016, 01:04:06 PM
everyone calling for a huge price for ICONOMI on release and why is that,is it because it earned a lot of money during the ICO ,is it possible to mine the coin ,if so how would i do this,any advice regarding this would be helpful
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is it possible to mine the coin
start at Iconomi FAQs (look at my signature for the link)
1143  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 23, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
ICONOMI has a smart team, we can expect a smart moves too.

The launch will be awesome!
I'm aggree , waiting the real ICN its god moment than now
so best way is hold the ICN until ICN launch at market

this is rare, in fact I think this is the first time. buy and sell bounties, because there are many people who want participate in ICO. this is definitely the possibility, that the price will be higher when ICN launch at market. keep hold Smiley

Yes, this is the first time I've seen this concept.
I've seen some ico which paid bounties in btc only, SDI there was no need for conversion. (Can't remember names.)
Probably, iconomi wasn't aware of so many bounty hunters wanting btc before launch.

ICONOMI has a smart team, we can expect a smart moves too.

The launch will be awesome!
I'm aggree , waiting the real ICN its god moment than now
so best way is hold the ICN until ICN launch at market

this is rare, in fact I think this is the first time. buy and sell bounties, because there are many people who want participate in ICO. this is definitely the possibility, that the price will be higher when ICN launch at market. keep hold Smiley

Where can i buy the ICN from bounty? I am logged in but find no option for buy

If you want to make a purchase of more than 20 btc , then you can contact Iconomi, and you can buy ICNs. There is no option for buying smaller amounts on iconomi.
But, if you could gather a group collectively wanting more than 20 btc, Jani could process your buying request too.
By the way, not many ICNs would be for sale. And also there are many investors who have already contacted iconomi


Don't forget how it started:
Delay in ICN distribution due to ethereum DDOS and HFs-->Bounty cry babies started to complain-->Jani suggested to act as an escrow in order to keep this forum cleaner-->this bullshit IOU exchange tried to abuse the situation-->no more Iconomi escrow
Iconomi next move provides another proof how good they are:
A lot of other teams would stop at that point and wait for the launch.  Iconomi managed to turn the table around by OOB thinking and quick response - the idea to add the sell bounties option in the ICO site is genius from reason already discussed here.
Just wanted to point out another big advantage Iconomi team have over the rest out there.
1144  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 23, 2016, 09:03:29 AM

I will only sell ICN at 300k satoshi or not at all  Grin
so not 500 or 600 when it rockets up? only 300? How very nice of you!
I'll remember the taz-man a couple months from now when I use my Founder's Club Debit card to spend 49 ICN on a new Decacore laptop.
What kind of holdings will the Founder's debit card spend? ICN only, or dividends as well?

Also - that debit card will be issued just to ICO participants (above 5btc), or also to everynone that bought ICNs on exchanges?
It would make sense just to ICO participants
It will spent fiat first, then eth, icn, icnx, pft... or something like that... it was mentioned earlier... there's an order it goes by if one resource is zero, it goes to next
maybe we we will be able to set that order... that would be cool.

why would you have fiat in your Iconomi account? Also, I think that you cannot exit performance fund right away
true so Performance fund 5 day exit period would stop that from PF.
I personally won't need the account for fiat but it was mentioned is all...
I just like the idea that if I ever got in a jam for some reason and needed access to those funds, all I need do is whip out a debit card. That's just too cool, and too tempting! I don't really like the idea of making my share-stake smaller for any reason. lol

Yeah, I will use the card for show-off or dividends withdraw. When it comes out to ICN holdings, I will want to keep them as long as possible
1145  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 23, 2016, 08:27:40 AM

I will only sell ICN at 300k satoshi or not at all  Grin
so not 500 or 600 when it rockets up? only 300? How very nice of you!
I'll remember the taz-man a couple months from now when I use my Founder's Club Debit card to spend 49 ICN on a new Decacore laptop.
What kind of holdings will the Founder's debit card spend? ICN only, or dividends as well?

Also - that debit card will be issued just to ICO participants (above 5btc), or also to everynone that bought ICNs on exchanges?
It would make sense just to ICO participants
It will spent fiat first, then eth, icn, icnx, pft... or something like that... it was mentioned earlier... there's an order it goes by if one resource is zero, it goes to next
maybe we we will be able to set that order... that would be cool.

why would you have fiat in your Iconomi account? Also, I think that you cannot exit performance fund right away
1146  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 23, 2016, 08:11:53 AM

I will only sell ICN at 300k satoshi or not at all  Grin
so not 500 or 600 when it rockets up? only 300? How very nice of you!
I'll remember the taz-man a couple months from now when I use my Founder's Club Debit card to spend 49 ICN on a new Decacore laptop.
What kind of holdings will the Founder's debit card spend? ICN only, or dividends as well?

Also - that debit card will be issued just to ICO participants (above 5btc), or also to everynone that bought ICNs on exchanges?
It would make sense just to ICO participants
1147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 23, 2016, 08:05:22 AM
Quote from: MoveCrypto

Willy Woo article on Coindesk is a very interesting read

Quote from: WillyWoo
Conclusions
Bitcoin is really hard to beat with index funds, maybe unbeatable with the present state of altcoins we have. Not only do they underperform bitcoin by a significant amount, but as a combined basket their day-to-day volatility is higher.
I ask myself why we don’t parallel the stock market world, where indexes are very successful and my conclusion is that we are in a world of unvetted shitcoins.
His conclusion is the exact reason why his index simulations performed so poorly compared to bitcoin.  He arbitrarily included the top 10 or 20 altcoins, without doing any vetting to keep obvious losing picks out of the indexes, like Paycoin, Auroracoin, Quark, Bytecoin, Worldcoin

Quote from: Iconomi
The currency must have an underlying concept which ICONOMI estimates as viable in the long term.
^^^That's the reason why this eligibility factor for inclusion in iconomi.index is so important^^^

Quote from: WillWoo
Part of my beef with their investor whitepaper is they picked a bull market (since Jan 2016) to demonstrate their glam results
Prior to 2016, the altcoin market was not mature enough for something like iconomi.index.  The first 1.5 or 2 years of Willy Woo simulation was a time when complete scams or copy-paste shitcoins with hardly any team/community could pump up into the top 10 cryptos.  

Those days are in the past.  Nowadays, I count at least 8 projects in the top 20 which have millions $ in the bank for development.  During the first 1/2 to 2/3 of Willy Woo's 3-year simulations, such altcoin projects did not yet exist.

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Prior to 2016, the altcoin market was not mature enough for something like iconomi.index.  The first 1.5 or 2 years of Willy Woo simulation was a time when complete scams or copy-paste shitcoins with hardly any team/community could pump up into the top 10 cryptos.

I totally agree here. There is still room for refining, but all together it seems that the market is mature enough for ICNX.
What remains unclear to me is how ICNX will handle temporary pumps from one of those mature coins.
Let's look at Monero, as the latest example:
Monero trading price was between 0.5$ and shy of 2$ from Jan 2015 till Aug 2016, and then it went up ~6x in one month. The main reason for that pump did not have much to do with breakthrough development, strong partnership or funding, but an announcement from few black markets that they will start accepting Monero as payment method, in addition to bitcoin.
What happened after the pump (until today) is steady price decline, which makes sense, since there is no real value (yet) for that 12-13$ price
How will ICNX address that? It will probably happen over and over again.

Also - how does Steem meet the index eligibility criteria for inclusion:
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The currency must have an underlying concept which ICONOMI estimates as viable in the long term.

The steem power looks like a pyramid scheme to me and looking back at Steem as a project I don't really see it viable in the long run.
Can someone explain what is the reason for Steem to have 11% of ICNX?
1148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
Jesus, this thread sounds just like the finals days before Lisk launched and BOOM, nothing happened!! Don't get your hopes too up!  Grin

lisk launched at around 6x= thats nothing for you?

Yes 6X for those who were able to access their damn wallets.

IOUs of Lisk were 10x of ICO price before launch. ICN IOUs are like 0,5x of ICO price.

read and see, that this thing will dump below ICO price

dude, dont compare with IOU's... these sh*t are completely manipulated. they are free money to their scam exchanges (liqui, yobit and others).
Second, iconomi is buying at ico price right now so most dumpers will sell. that means at launch the demand will be bigger than the supply. pump inc.

i was one of the "i'm waiting to buy the dip", but right now, i dont think it is going to happen.. being realistic, i don't see it going above 100k, but i'm definitely seeing at least 50~60k.

50k, 100k satoshi. It doesn't matter. What matters is the performance fund, ICNX, and OFM
1149  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: How I got into Iconomi on: October 22, 2016, 06:33:54 PM
Hi all

want to share with ya all how I got here. It's a bit personal, but fuck it

I was growing pot for myself and one day, few months ago the police knocks on my door (yeah, still illegal in my country). So now I am in a house arrest, waiting for my community service hours sentence.
If I wouldn't be home and waiting for my next remote project (I'm HPE consultant for enterprise bullshit products), I would probably wouldn't hear about Iconomi project.
So, like the old say - every bad for the best. I do believe that investing in Iconomi ICO was the smartest thing I did (after buying bitcoins back then)

Let us start the rest of our happy life!

thanks Iconomi




Where are you from? are they actually monitoring people's online activities there? you should use TOR then.

Why should I use tor? They came and took the plants already. What's to hide? It was for self use, anyway
1150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypto-currency Index Funds analysis on: October 22, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
Something I came across:
http://woobull.com/crypto-currency-index-funds-the-simulations-have-surprising-results/

I think he totally missed it with. Index fund that auto-buys top X currencies is not a very wise choice. Also, comparing BTC with basket of crypto is somehow not smart

What you think?

His numbers are arbitrary....  He has no trading algorithm to test, and just went on raw data from many coins that no sane investor would have touched, nor did he chose any entry or exit points.
In a nutshell... this  guy doesn't understand securities trading.



...just woke up and reading the thread.... omg did I miss the fire sale?


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did I miss the fire sale?
I'm afraid you did. Looks like there is a big queue of buyers piling up
1151  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Crypto-currency Index Funds analysis on: October 22, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
Something I came across:
http://woobull.com/crypto-currency-index-funds-the-simulations-have-surprising-results/

I think he totally missed it with. Index fund that auto-buys top X currencies is not a very wise choice. Also, comparing BTC with basket of crypto is somehow not smart

What you think?
1152  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / How I got into Iconomi on: October 22, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
Hi all

want to share with ya all how I got here. It's a bit personal, but fuck it

I was growing pot for myself and one day, few months ago the police knocks on my door (yeah, still illegal in my country). So now I am in a house arrest, waiting for my community service hours sentence.
If I wouldn't be home and waiting for my next remote project (I'm HPE consultant for enterprise bullshit products), I would probably wouldn't hear about Iconomi project.
So, like the old say - every bad for the best. I do believe that investing in Iconomi ICO was the smartest thing I did (after buying bitcoins back then)

Let us start the rest of our happy life!

thanks Iconomi


1153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
I really mean it! Wink
which one had better ICO management? The DAO?   Tongue
1154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 04:54:45 PM
Why the team is always mocking bounty hunters? Without them, iconomic is nothing. Ironically, they mock the people who promoted for them..

We provided bounty hunters an option to cash out immediately OR to to keep ICNs.

No one is mocking anyone. We provided them with an extra option if they need liquidity in BTC right now. How can that be bad?

Amazed how people will find a way to bitch about anything.
When there was no option to sell pre-launch - this threat got flooded with requests;
when the team offers to sell immediately through the ico website, eliminating any risks for the seller and buyer - still not good enough..
you people are funny
1155  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 04:49:07 PM
As for all buyers demanding equal chance for 0.1 and 20 BTC buyers - YOU HAD THAT FOR 5 WEEKS! Additional equal chance will be provided by exchanges.

In the real free market there is no equal chance. The more money you have the more chances you get. That is normal, that is what's driving people to gain more.
Brilliant move from ICONOMI team.

yepp, I am so excited to be part of history  Smiley
1156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 04:40:05 PM
I think all these bounty dumpers have chance now to get Bitcoin for their tokens, instead of crashing the price when listed, nice move ICONOMI. These guys really place high value on their project and are really professions.

I agree with you. It will be good for business to 'never look down' at ICO, or close to ICO price. It will attract much more newcomers.
Iconomi team really understands the market - another excellent move to protect the founders shareholders and push Iconomi one step higher than any other project so far!

As for all buyers demanding equal chance for 0.1 and 20 BTC buyers - YOU HAD THAT FOR 5 WEEKS! Additional equal chance will be provided by exchanges.
1157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 12:13:20 PM


Open Fund Management (OFM) Platform will be huge.  

Social trading sites have become very popular.  One of the biggest is etoro.com

http://www.coindesk.com/etoro-launches-bitcoin-trading-3-million-users/

http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/exchange/etoro-reports-spike-in-bitcoin-trading-amid-higher-volatility/


There are already 10k to 60k users on etoro actively trading bitcoin.  These are all users who would be interested in using Iconomi's OFM platform.  Potentially tens of thousands of users using this platform for a real purpose.

Let's make a list of cryptos which have thousands of people using the crypto for more than just speculation:

- Bitcoin
- Ethereum

Go ahead and rush to sell your ICN when it launches on exchange, or when the first dividends come in, then cry when OFM platform launches in 2017 and you see the value of having a real user-base reflected in the ICN price.

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etoro.com, just on steroids. Millions of millions of steroids
1158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 12:09:05 PM
Guys...  imagine this... okay, we have ICN and it's two subsidiary funds ICNX and PF. Here comes a custom platform to manage and create your own fund groups.  Now, Imagine a popular Whaleclub member who is an icn investor knows all this and is creating a fund. Now a popular broker on WallStreet reads of ICN in FORBES and looks at it, calls his crypto-buddy and they come take a look to find out it takes about 5 bucks and 10 minutes to create a managed portfolio for themselves, for their buddies, or even public. Now... Here comes the Roger Ver managed fund, The Andreas managed fund, the P-Ditty fund.... we can go on and on here. Each and every one of these funds will be helping feed ICN dividends. There could even be a fund that invests into all the other funds lol.

Mark my words here and remember this...  Beyond Moon for ICN.
It's only a matter of time.

101% agree. I believe we can't even imagine the funds and fin-trends that will emerge on the OFM platform once it will be live. Just like tcp and even http inventors could not imagine what kind of data will run on top of the protocols. Make an easy, global, 24/7 available entry point and friendly interface and you got yourself a winner!
And then we get the founders club debit card..
sweet
Smiley
1159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 22, 2016, 11:54:28 AM
When will begin to pay dividends?
start here:
https://ico.iconomi.net/faq
If still not clear, please post again
1160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Interesting post on reddit on: October 22, 2016, 10:21:33 AM
Hey all

look what I found in Lisk subreddit:
https://m.reddit.com/r/Lisk/comments/58bs13/iconomi_and_lsk/?utm_source=mweb_redirect
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