"You're destroying bitcoin by making it functional because you used the evil banking system! Ron Paul 2012!!!~"
Your foresight is remarkable.
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up until about 3 days ago there where still around 800 shares available on GLBSE at the starting price of 0.10 BTC/share. These seem to have disappeared without leaving a trace on bitcoincharts ( http://charts.glbse.com/charts/MergedMining#rg30zigHourlyzvztgSzm1g10zm2g25). If someone had bought them, one should see a volume bar there. I think they disappeared around Oct 19th. Any info on this for us? No problem. Once the parts for a mining rig were ordered, the company was then tied to the value of something. When the BTC price dropped, it would have allowed new investors to buy shares of the company at a much lower cost (in dollar terms) than the company was actually worth. For that reason, I decided that it was no longer in my shareholder's best interests to be selling shares for 0.1BTC/share. The sell orders you see on the GLBSE now are not being sold by the company. I'd urge investors to take advantage of this opportunity and buy cheap shares while they can. Doing the math on the assets the company now holds, it is my opinion that MergedMining shares should be trading around 0.15BTC/share based on the value of the equipment alone. Fair value if you think we will be profitable is now probably closer to around 0.17BTC/share. But that is just my opinion.Thanks for being open about everything so far. Keep it up and I'm looking forward to the miner running. Should you need help with anything, you can always ask me, also on irc, I'm molecular there. EDIT: you shouldn't have said that about the price being too low, now some offers disappeared and best price is 0.14 ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) EDIT2: 3 questions about GLBSE: 1.) there's 10000 shares in all, do we see somewhere how many are on the market and how many are held by you? 2.) can you issue new shares at any time, how does that work exactly? 3.) the shares you have in your account, can you only offer them for the initial price of 0.1 or can you also just sell them on the market?
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- current asset list? can you update in main post?
I updated this information last night. I sold off all the BTC and deducted the amount of funds needed to pay bou707. The NMC are in the process of being sold off and are not accounted for in the current totals. I will have something better in place once the miner is operational. - timeline for starting mining
Yesterday we received a majority of the parts needed to get the first miner running. The remaining parts should arrive Friday/Saturday. I'm hoping to be mining away by Saturday morning. - question: which pool will you use? I opt for eligius, that way we can confirm mining operations/profit without needing a login (just the pool address necessary), easy namecoin merged mining support (I tried it, very simple)
I plan to use multiple pools due to all the DDOS attacks happening lately. I think using 1 pool would invite problems. - question: what OS do you use for mining?
I'm planning to use Win7 to begin with. I may switch to Ubuntu at some point if I feel that the operation would benefit from it. thanks for the information. another question: up until about 3 days ago there where still around 800 shares available on GLBSE at the starting price of 0.10 BTC/share. These seem to have disappeared without leaving a trace on bitcoincharts ( http://charts.glbse.com/charts/MergedMining#rg30zigHourlyzvztgSzm1g10zm2g25). If someone had bought them, one should see a volume bar there. I think they disappeared around Oct 19th. Any info on this for us? [/list][/list][/list]
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I call your sign and raise you a banner, ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimg440.imageshack.us%2Fimg440%2F4628%2Fjaromil.jpg&t=663&c=K7cV6Cgr495P3w) My friend Jaromil was at Occupy Amsterdam with that ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Awesome shot, also because it also contains Max Keiser's buy silver campaign.
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I agree this would be OT here. Where is the thread/place to talk about this? You can't just run around discrediting other's ideas/work without be open to discuss your own on more deeply than saying: "experts are working on it".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46366I'll try to keep up. How exactly do you want to convice the operators of the existing system to open up their system so you can plug-in mtgox backend?
Can you ask this again on that thread? And you'll need to clarify what you mean by "system"-- merchant side, processor side, ...? What thread? The link you provided above is a link to _this_ thread.
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I don't know who is in charge of keeping standards and such, but the QR code for BTC addresses, which can include the amount to be paid, should also include a section for suggested fee. This should then also be added to the BTC android clients and POS systems. Currently, when someone pays for stuff at a POS location, they can scan the code to get an address and the amount, but can select the fee themselves, and if it's 0BTC, it may take a very long time for the transaction to clear. If the QR code includes a fee, using a compatible phone app, on scan, the price could be something like 1.995BTC with 0.005BTC fee, for a total of 2BTC, and the seller can be more sure that the transaction will go through. This isn't mandatory, or course, but would help to make the system much simper for end users, and will give sellers more control over how quickly they want their transactions to clear.
This is also nice from a marketing point of view, because people see how low the transaction fees are. No need to show them the "other hidden PoS fees" ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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It might be interesting to just leave them lying around somewhere and see the reactions of people that find them.
Yes, but like Stephen Gronick said above, the idea is to reach criticall mass for adoption as a money in the local economy. What do you guys think would be the best size of the city and the amount of coins? Around 50k people. Big enough to have some sort of local media, small enough for people to pay attention if there are some things lying around. Also everybody would get one on average. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) This, but I would highly suggest contacting the local 'City Council'(not sure what they call em over the pond there), just to see what local regulations are there on physical advertisements spread around. If you can actually speak with someone that seems ok with it make sure you present them a clear plan to distribute and then a follow up, clean up plan to remove any unreceived materials. Atleast thats how it would work here where I am. Cheers Good point. That would be the "official route of distribution", openly admitting to doing it as advertisement. I like the other possible route, "do it undercover" better, because the fact that in that case, noone knows where "these mysterious bitcoins" came from will add a lot to the local media hype and gossip talk needed to enable adoption. In the latter, "official" case, it's just too easy for people to do away with the idea, because they smell a trap set by this "evil bitcoin company" to lure them into something bad. In the former, "undercover" case, the bitcoins can just be considered a gift from god, or aliens, or whatever "good-willing entity" the individual wishes for. Thoughts?
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It might be interesting to just leave them lying around somewhere and see the reactions of people that find them.
Yes, but like Stephen Gronick said above, the idea is to reach criticall mass for adoption as a money in the local economy. What do you guys think would be the best size of the city and the amount of coins? Around 50k people. Big enough to have some sort of local media, small enough for people to pay attention if there are some things lying around. Also everybody would get one on average. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) My thoughts. Was thinking 50K, too. Big enough not only for local media, but also for a sensible local economy that allows the money to flow in circles. Do you think 1 coin per person would be about right? What happens if we put not enough or too many coins?
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Who is "our"?
I was referring to what I am planning in Korea and what MtGox is planning in Japan. What exactly are you planning.
That's not for this thread. This thread is casacius asking for comments and getting them. I agree this would be OT here. Where is the thread/place to talk about this? You can't just run around discrediting other's ideas/work without be open to discuss your own on more deeply than saying: "experts are working on it". Even if we go with magstrip in Korea, the three data channels are more than enough to hold account numbers for any exchange (if that's the way we want to go). I don't think anyone should we wasting their time on physical devices when actual experts have already created them.
How exactly do you want to convice the operators of the existing system to open up their system so you can plug-in mtgox backend?
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Our style: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVnHpq.jpg&t=663&c=ZpBSGCPM7BTmfQ) Who is "us"? What exactly are you planning. The reader on the photo looks like a t-money PoS used in public transport and stores used throughout korea. It's based on mayfair classic smartcard, storing balance on the card, afaik (see ccc conference 2010 or 2009, not sure, I think carsten nöhle gave a talk about this, it's "hacked") So what are your plans?
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You must always trust someone to some level. Its all about risk. Only trust them with as much risk as you are willing to take.
Yes, but don't be too angstly, otherwise you'll accomplish nothing.
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Hi, it's been a while, what's the status on these issues: - current asset list? can you update in main post?
- timeline for starting mining
- question: which pool will you use? I opt for eligius, that way we can confirm mining operations/profit without needing a login (just the pool address necessary), easy namecoin merged mining support (I tried it, very simple)
- question: what OS do you use for mining?
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No one who isn't a true believer uses Bitcoin.
Simply not true. I had people buy bitcoins from me for cash with the sole purpose of "buying something online that can only be bought with bitcoins". These people found bitcoin a nice idea, but they were not "true believers".
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It might be interesting to just leave them lying around somewhere and see the reactions of people that find them.
Yes, but like Stephen Gronick said above, the idea is to reach criticall mass for adoption as a money in the local economy. What do you guys think would be the best size of the city and the amount of coins?
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Was I the only one reading the spec looking for the part where it would actually scan a casascius coin and/or scan the private key of one to redeem it?
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A small city in Europe: What would happen if...
...you took 50000 casascius physical bitcoins and threw them all out of an airplane above the city?
I suspect since the cost was zero, any that were found would not be valued much. Being that these can be redeemed at Mt. Gox, the technical among them or those already familiar with Bitcoin would find that they could offer cash below the exchange value and either make online purchases from a merchant (by arranging to send the physical bitcoins in bulk even, hoard then or profit by exchanging these at an exchange even. Most of the coins, however, would likely be lost as these are about the size of a quarter and a small city has lots of roofs, street gutters, gardens, etc. Because they all won't be discovered at once and plenty of willing buyers remain so the value of these as money among the residents would likely soon match that found on the exchanges. Some will start using the coins to settle small payment amounts -- for example, used as payment to a friend who bought the beers or to give as a tip at a restaurant, for example. A few merchants might start accepting them -- maybe even gaining an advantage by being the first and putting on some promotion that brings new customers through the door. Whether or not this approach would cause a tipping point to be reached where the coins become a currency who knows. It would be neat to see such an experiment play out. My thoughts. Thanks. Now for the 2 objections brought up: 1.) you might harm people and/or property: we'd have to run some experiments. The coins are not very thick, about 2mm, I would guess. They weigh about 6.7g. I doubt they could seriously harm a person, let alone kill one. Will it reach terminal velocity when dropped from 4th floor? I could make an experiment to see wether it damages a cars roof when dropped from that height. 2.) you will get sued: well, just to be safe, I'd do it anonymously, maybe using a microcopter or something to disperse the coins evenly. Any thoughts on this? One could also use a less cool method, maybe, of just driving around in a car and dropping them to the street.
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A small city in Europe: What would happen if...
...you took 50000 casascius physical bitcoins and threw them all out of an airplane above the city?
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Max tweeted: we'll be there bitcoin Prague, reserve shares in our film of the event: goo.gl/iey68
interesting... they're planning to make a film (26 minutes, news) about the bitcoin confererence... are looking for $900. Too bad one can't fund via bitcoin. I wonder if Max is funding all his shows this way and what kind of film this will be...?
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Just looked at the list of speakers here: http://conference.bitgroups.org/Rick Falkvinge will also speak, Amir Taaki, too and other well-knowns like Vladimir. David G.W. Birch (is a Director of Consult Hyperion) came as a surprise to me, very interesting indeed! The list really makes me want to go... but I probably wont be able to. I hope the online coverage will be good.
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Max Keiser ( http://maxkeiser.com) just tweeted: I'll be speaking at bitcoin conference in Prague November making the case why #occupy protests need to embrace global pirate parties
awesome, I love the guy.
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