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1161  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can bitcoin exist without fiat on: August 30, 2021, 07:44:58 PM
Of course it can exist without fiat but BTC does have to have a value equivalent to something that is universally recognized and accepted by its users as having value to them. Does not matter if that something is fiat, x weight in gold or x number of goats. That said, for now, the exchange medium is fiat and will remain fiat for the foreseeable future.
1162  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: August 30, 2021, 07:14:57 PM
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Each of our ASICs have ~4k SHA256 engines in them (so ~175k in each Apollo)
Woof! I figured that with today's node sizes there would be a lot more cores per-chip that what was to be had in 2014 but 4k of them? Wowzers!
1163  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Documentation of closed source ASIC chips on: August 30, 2021, 05:23:22 PM
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BM1397 will handle that on its own. When doing a multi-chip setup, one also has to consider that the surface of the IC is copper-plated and electrically grounded
I knew the surface of the Si wafer was flashed with copper to make is easy to solder on the heat sinks but did not know it was grounded. For the backside of the Si chip to be tied to the chip's power return (or any power rail for that matter) means they have some thru-silicon vias that are connected to the pads feeding in power. Any ideas as to *why* BM did that? Aside from maybe cutting down on interference seems it seems like a rather pointless 'feature'.
1164  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: August 29, 2021, 09:12:08 PM
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One hashboard has 44 cores (thousands? where does that number come from?
While I do not own one should be safe to assume there are 44 chips per-hashboard. Each chip has hundreds of cores in it. Even the A1 chip from 2014 had 256 cores per-chip and no doubt jstefanop can tell folks how many are in chip. Along that line, who's and what chip is used?

And yes, it is not uncommon for not all cores in a chip to not work though it should at worst be just a few dead cores. That said, most chips should have 100% functional cores.
1165  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Documentation of closed source ASIC chips on: August 28, 2021, 08:54:53 PM
Merit given for the project.
Last time I can remember something like it is a couple project threads from late 2013-early 2014 dealing with the A1 chip and a Universal Miner project. I'll dig up link to those later.

Main thing to keep an eye on is the thermals. Use of heavy copper power planes is required because the pads feeding power are also a large part of the chip cooling process.
1166  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Documentation of closed source ASIC chips on: August 28, 2021, 08:38:17 PM
Welcome to the world of power IC's. Most use standard package sizes but as far as connections go it's anybodies game. About the only thing to sorta rely on is that signals will be running around the outside edges of the chip and power will be via large pads - which also play large part in cooling - towards the middle areas.
1167  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Documentation of closed source ASIC chips on: August 28, 2021, 08:23:10 PM
There is no copyright or anything else proprietary about the chip's physical pinouts nor documenting what they are, do, and signals used. Of course if you publish existing already released datasheets you must make it clear as to where they came from (Chip company name and if possible their document number for the datasheet).
The physical chip sizes are industry standard ones. Even Bitmains use of SOT packaging (Silicon On Top) where the actual backside of the silicon chip is exposed to vastly increase cooling is not proprietary.
1168  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: August 28, 2021, 08:02:42 PM
No PSU should be loaded to more than 80% of its max rating 24x7. For that matter that 80% rule applies to all power devices and the circuits feeding them.

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a good 80 PLUS Gold (or higher) ATX PSU at 24/7
is a useless description without saying what the power rating of it is. ATX is a physical form design the PSU is built to as a 'universal' device. It also includes the specs of all voltages it produces and the connectors it has. It has nothing to do with its power output ratings.

As for Seasonic saying their PSU's have what is better called a reserve capacity that can be called on for short times does not mean you can run them at full load 24x7.

In short - to run multiple miners get a higher wattage PSU!
1169  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hackers/Public will have Access to Quantum Computers in 5-10 years? on: August 28, 2021, 01:50:34 AM
Willing to bet that we will be seeing the exact same subject line for posts 10 years from now  Grin
In short - not gonna happen in this decade. From the research articles I've read we are still a long way from running any sort of complex programs that go beyond simple math exercises.
1170  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience NewPac / Terminus R606 (BM1387) Official Support Thread on: August 27, 2021, 08:09:07 PM
Also its a Mini USB port so not that easy to come by round my way. But I have found a place and ordered some. IF it needs changing I will but I’m hoping its just because my cable is stressed all the time that its given itself a bad connection, which hopefully I’ve resolved.
In the UK try Farnell who are the parent company of Newark in the US https://uk.farnell.com/
Plus, DigiKey also has a UK branch https://www.digikey.co.uk/
1171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Best graphic card to mine BTC and Altcoins on: August 27, 2021, 07:41:16 PM
 Roll Eyes NONE!
Perhaps try reading the post right above yours!!!
If perhaps you want to mine ONLY altcoins then ask in the Altcoin Mining areas of the Forum.
Not here as this area is for Bitcoin only.
1172  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Mining Farm Software Comparison on: August 27, 2021, 07:36:51 PM
What is the best mining software? I heard about some mining software like kryptex, BeMine, ECOS, Shamining.. so what do you recommend for BTC mining?
NONE. Read the post pinned to the top of the Mining area for why
Mainly point-3:
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3. Mining BITCOIN is done exclusively with dedicated BITCOIN mining hardware based on ASICs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-specific_integrated_circuit . You CAN NOT meaningfully mine bitcoin today with CPU, GPU or even FPGAs. Bitcoin difficulty adapts to match the amount of mining done on the network and has reached levels trillions of times too high to mine meaningfully with PCs, laptops, tablets, phones, webpages, javascript, GPUs, and even generalised SHA hardware. You will not find software in this section to help you mine bitcoin in this absurdly inefficient manner in this subforum. It would cost you thousands of dollars in electricity per year to earn only a few cents in bitcoin. Even if you combined all the computers in the world, including all known supercomputer, you would not even approach 0.1% of the bitcoin hashrate today. Any discussion outside of ASIC related mining, except in the interests of academia, will be moved to the altcoin mining section. There isn't any point attempting to mine bitcoin with CPU or GPU even in the interests of learning as it shares almost nothing with how bitcoin is mined with ASICs and will not teach you anything.
The software you mentioned are all for mining altcoins - not Bitcoin and as such are off-topic for this area of the Forum.
1173  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience NewPac / Terminus R606 (BM1387) Official Support Thread on: August 27, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
Why on earth do so many folks point to Amazon, eBay et al for components? God only knows what quality they are - odds are, not the best...
There are plenty of real component distributors in the world such as Mouser, DigiKey, Newark, etc. that sell top-quality components made by trustworthy manufacturers and sold at a very decent price.

Stuff from Amazon et al are so cheap for a very good reason...
1174  Other / Off-topic / Re: What do you think of Windows 11? on: August 27, 2021, 06:13:30 PM
I like the new edition of Windows 11 because it has the Mac feel to it and I like how there is integrated apps for android and Xbox.
Which just means more bloatware crap that businesses have to remove or barring that disable. Odds are even the Enterprise versions will have Edge, Cortana, gaming and shopping crap loaded in it.
Yes, It's okay to have a pre-installed web browser and some basic apps, but I hate when I have to spend half a day uninstalling various bundled crap. I really hate when they bloat their operating systems with things that I don't need.
And when after managing to delete/disable much of the crap, some comes back after an update requiring yet another cleanout of the system...

The Home and to some extent, Pro versions I can understand as they targeting the consumer market but Enterprise should be just that - Business only. For one, NO gaming and shopping-related crap. Right now the only way to get a mostly trouble-free setup that does ONLY required security or bug-fix updates is to use Enterprise LTSC which is not sold to the general public and companies with a MS Enterprise corporate-license have to get it as a different download - and cost.
1175  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: innosilicon? - has anyone bought direct from them?? on: August 27, 2021, 06:02:35 PM
That was the legit page https://www.innosilicon.com/html/miner/index.html you used.
Go to their website right now and click on the T3
They are refurbished
This is the quote
"INNOSILICON T3+57T BTC Miner
Shipment is available in about 15 business days after full payment confirmation.
Only limited quantity. First pay, first serve.

Please note that they are refurbished machines, not new miners, if you expect a high-standard appearance, your discretion is strongly advised. Once the order is placed, it will be deemed as an acceptance."
Which miner did you order, a T3?
Personally I do not use Inno miners and prefer Canaan's Avalons to any other make. That said, there is a lot of discussion about Inno's miners and sales/support always looks fine in the posts.

Pretty sure others who have directly dealt with Inno will chime in here.
1176  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2021, time for a new general & diff speculation thread... on: August 27, 2021, 05:29:22 PM
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I can only add that I will follow this thread from now on, since this is one of the few places where spammers have not yet reached, (and by the way ... nice to meet you).   Wink
I can assure you spammers will be very quickly deleted but ja, so far none of tried here (yet).
Cheers
1177  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2021, time for a new general & diff speculation thread... on: August 27, 2021, 05:18:11 PM
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not to mention the fact that I am skeptical about creating threads for no good reason
Actually, your post is a perfect example of one that should be a new topic - it deals with room construction concerns and ideas and there are very few - if any - threads that specifically deal with that. Most info about construction is in threads that were not created for talking about it just as you did.

Would be nice to have a thread just for construction guidelines...

edit: FYI, so far there has been no need to delete any posts in this thread as 'forks' from its intent have been reasonable and short lived. Thanks to all for that! Cheesy
1178  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: innosilicon? - has anyone bought direct from them?? on: August 27, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
Are you sure you used Inno's website which is https://www.innosilicon.com and not some scam cloned one?
Inno has always been a very reputable company to work with.

As no one has previously made such accusations, proofs of your problems please.
1179  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2021, time for a new general & diff speculation thread... on: August 27, 2021, 03:37:42 PM
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The ventilation seems to be okay, there is a double-circuit pipe in the ceiling (I suppose there is no problem with this, since the warm air rises)
@icopress: Your post is off-topic and should be a new topic but for now I'll let it remain. If there is more than a few posts about it they will be deleted.

That out of the way, I doubt it will be adequate. Due to the very high heat output of miners you must have a very high airflow into and out of the room - at least around 500CFM per-miner. For all electronics, humidity must be under 90% and lower than 80% is preferred.
1180  Other / Off-topic / Re: What do you think of Windows 11? on: August 27, 2021, 01:21:42 PM
Very legit and has been available for several years. Comes with 2 device emulator files for Galaxy S8 Plus and Galaxy S20+. Downloads are available for several other Android devices as well. Best yet is that is absolutely free.

While it runs decently on a PC with only 4GB ram, it is perfect with 8GB memory or more. Ya can even choose between Intel/AMD graphics or external GPU's on laptops to keep a decent battery life when not plugged in.
Sounds perfect for my PC and Laptops .
Thank you so much , downloading this now to start using before the school year starts next week.
Keep Safe !
For laptops I do suggest that it have at least an i5 Core CPU and be fairly recent vintage. I have one 15 year old i3 laptop that can only run the most simple games due to under-powered graphics. My current ThinkPad P15 w/i7, 16GB memory and nVidia GPU - everything runs flawlessly even when using Intel graphics vs GPU to extend battery life.
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