That's easy anonymous devs of honeypenny.  Bcn are anonymous and so is cryptonote

So is this still a cryptonote coin.
What will you keep from cryptonote
What have you changed.
What is the reasoning.
For the layperson please

Quote from: David Latapie on Today at 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: tacotime on Today at 06:19:47 PM
It appears from the simplicity of the fix that there may have been deliberate crippling of the hashing algorithm from introduction with ByteCoin.
Interesting. Could you extrapolate on this?

oaes_key_import_data calls are placed inside loops unnecessarily, which slows down the hash quite a bit during the scratchpad portions.


Will this also affect the BP miner.

Can this be mined with the galaxy s5

No problem. By all means sell to whomever is best. Hate to buy btc but it seems to be the current medium

sure. But miner/cryptocummunity attention can not be ignored as a possibility also.
1. people are sheep in general. they react with emotion. this could be lemming situation.
2. if you were a botnet owner and spent money (a lot I assume), would you direct your botnet to a month old cryptocurrency. Or would you direct it at coins already proven to be valuable with exchanges. Botnet owners I think are more like banks, they care more about short term profits than long term value. such a resource would not be chanced on an extremely speculative coin (more so than the rest). how many new coins come out, and how many are successful. I am sure botnet owners measure and weigh risk and profit differently than small players. It would in my mind an asic developer investing resources now for this coin when it has just come out of the gates.

not hold them liable merely point out this greed in that coin.
regarding HP: the taxation of miners is greed. I am glad they are reconsidering it. but also, their comment seemed to identify a percieved greed here that some also share and monero cant seem to shake.

I hope they would be more forthcomming in providing an example. because with these two other coins, I do not see monero more greedy. at the very least just as...but perhapse hash rate merely shows adoption of a trully anonymous coin with waht the market percieve fair launch. a few posters do not speak for the the majority. this thread alone has 21000 views. not all are posting.

farm/botnet/isntamine is not necessarily what is going on. but rather more users, finally directing their miners to monero.

regarding cryptonotes comment about greed. this should be posted for them.

you could do it with amazon payments. max 1000 dollars no fees attached.

will you be able to compile this for us. the non initiated in computer programming and please post it to OP. thank you taco.

Would like to buy but I have no bitcoin. Any suggestions. How many Mro coul 100 dollars buy.

Good and good for you. You benefits are well deserved then. I speak from an outside perspective only.

That's a lot of coins. I have 600 and have been mining since the 5th day.

Looks like I did not benefit much from early days. But I am not going to blame noodle.


Taco... You are now and the others the developers. Like it or not. With great power comes great rsponsability. I would recommend you not shy away.

1) How exactly did you benefit the community and the coin?
2) When is the open source miner going to be released? Why it wasn't? Please, provide exact technical details on that "unstable code thing".
3) Why did you change your attitude towards closed-source miner?
4) Why did you take over the coin and create a second thread when there was one already there?
5) Why did you change the domain name and forked the rep, while keeping the blockchain that you never started?
6) Why do you keep avoiding this very clear questions.

Thank you.
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I can answer some of this. I am a newbie especially to cryptocurrency. I had a very easy time mining bcn despite little knowledge. however mining mro was very difficult at the beggnining.
when the cryptonote was discovered I was present during the conversations. TFT was a non communicating developer. TFT did not answer questions. random people coalaced around the thread and helped newcomers. As more people came, they relied more on the taco smooth ezi and others, and so by sympathy alone tft was marginalized. this was his own doing.

there is value in this coin and the coin was not hijacked. it was abondoned by tft. he had the forsight to bring this coin to the community but did it in a very selfish way. The current developers are now experieicing the same thing because of the closed source issue. ( I could not mine mro at the very beggining because the link for the download was messed up due to the # sign) I felt that it was deliberate so as to limit miners and benefit tft. (I felt, I have no idea wether this is fact). In the end, this is what is happening now. regarding current issues.

I firmly believe that noodle should not be part of development team. in this way he can develop his own optimized miner. good for him.

thanks.

I think a lot can be learned from all this conversation including from those that are upset.
they see something of value (cpu coins are valuable and I believe the future of cryptocurrency)

an alogrithm that takes advantage of the uniqueness of a cpu will keep it cpu bound. A gpu is not a cpu for a reason. an asic is not a cpu for a reason. those two items would then be cpu if they could do what cpu's do.  probably a very poor example, but windows can not be run on an asic or a gpu.

cryptonote has a unique techonlogy ( I have read but do not understand and in this way I am a sheep). adding to it, to keep it cpu bound should be the goal and for this, I do not think taco is best. His own MC2 (very good coin proposal) is not aimed at being cpu or gpu bound. it seems it will follow any direction technology will bring.

I agree with name change. this is a simple change but the execution was confusing. this made it a community coin not a tft coin. can we implement a proof of stake into this coin and and inflamtion and or a 1 percent transaction fee to miners. or just running the miner per thread generating .25 coin per month. regardless of blocks found. (rambling i hope devs can gleen my meaning)

david

thank you for your reply. I did not mean to bypass you and you have been very helpful.
those are really my thoughts on how it is percieved by outsiders.


I keep saying this but you and others are very well versed. all developers passion is to be commended.
however, items deemed as non relevant or easy are often the source of distress/frustration. reading the thread this is obvious.


the emission curve was initially said to mimic btc. however it does not.  
1. It is good to hear that features will be implemented. I think sooner rather than later. I would recommend discussion of the options posted and reasoning why one was selected over the other.
2. I see the generosity of others in contributing to funds. unlike other coins where developers are asking for money. here developers putting their own coins for development. this is probably why this coin is doing so well. like a ceo buying stocks in his own company.
3. is the goal for this coin to be an asset or a currency. maybe this is what cryptonote was referring to. perhaps keeping it off exchanges is best. in this way value of the coin is independent of btc or physical money(fiat). the demand for exchange so that people can trade is more in line with greed immediate return (not necessarily a bad thing), then the vision of cryptonote to be used as a currency long term.
4. changing from one minute to two minutes for confirmation time is good. 2 minute confirmation was done with thought, changing it to 1 minute was done with out thought. (atleast it was not made obvious)

Electrum very good name

other:

etritium

hi,

I really like cryptonotes input. taco, smooth and ezih have been very heplpful. But as an outsider, this is very confusing.
negatives:
1. miner that is closed source by noodle ( is noodle part of the development team). not consistent with fairness, cooperation and being open. more in line with greed. ( I dont think greed is always bad)
2. hasty launch without testing...first to market goal and associated confusion
3. direct copy of bytecoin ( no new features or implementations )
4. mega downloads not working.
5. multiple threads very confusing to new members
6. emission curve not what was originally promised


positives:
1. overall compared to other coins very fair. perhapse another coin would have been implemented that would have been more greedy. ala darkcoin (from what I have read. second hand stuff)
2. smooth, ezih and taco constant presence and patience
3. percieved fairness is demonstrated by increasing HR and community growth.

hey... jumping in here.

so far I am up and running. better execution than the mro.
in step 4:
should you leave out the % symbol
how do you set minerc for threads manually with out using gui.

I agree with this. I have 4 pentiums and old dell server. my aggregate has is around 10.

I wish I had an i7 haswell. but that is life not fair.
I wish I had million dollars and spend money on a new machine but I have more important things to put my money in.
I wish I had become a programmer...

I was a bit unhappy the way the coin was launched, but that is partly due to my ignorance. I see that now.
However, I have recieved help from everybody.

help without which i would not be mining now. however, if noodle does not share his source, then that is ok. But I also think he should not be part of the developers as this would mar the image of the coin.
as we can see, there is some kick back already. the developers should share, not that they have to, but should since they also depend on the community to adopt and carry this forward.
noodle can do as he pleases but should do so not as a member of the development team.

that would be more like insider trading. if he knows in advance the direction the coin will take.

just my thoughts on the matter.