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1181  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: May 28, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
I can't believe Everton escaped relegation again. They escaped it last season and this season they are lucky again, they really need to go for a thanksgiving service 😃

I don't believe it either, judging by their play m really belong in the second division and not in the EPL... They only needed a draw to get relegated, but they did score midway through the second half, so it's not them but Leicester who get relegated. It's a bit of a shame for them, but they've really underperformed this season
1182  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 28, 2023, 09:16:17 PM
How do you see Chelsea taking action and choosing Mauricio Pochettino as the Blues' new manager? Does this outline bring positive things to Chelsea in the next season?
It is no easy responsibility becoming the coach of Chelsea, there is a lot of expectations and a huge responsibility to win every game as manager. Now with the recent poor performance of Chelsea and the number of coaches the team has had in a a short time, Pochettino will be pressured if in the first three games Chelsea play next season, they still loose. He has been the coach of big teams like PSG and even had an experience of the Premier League before, so he may have no problems understanding how the league is. Chelsea will have to qualify for the Champions League next season, the team already has the players who can do the job, we will see if Mauricio Pochettino fits the job.

I think it's very difficult to lose your first three matches, no matter who your opponents are. All the more reason for him to have enough time to put the team on its feet, change someone or buy someone. I think Chelsea will return in the autumn, they are unlikely to win, but they will qualify for the Champions League for sure
1183  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Последний вагон на север on: May 28, 2023, 09:13:07 PM
Ты слишком строг к Лайткойну. Почему у Лайта нет технологий? Его с какого-то времени, помню, даже позиционировали как испытательный полигон для битка. К примеру, когда к нему прикручивали мимбл-вимбл. Да и НФТ - токены там щас есть как и на битке, только называются не БРК-20, а ЛРК-20. По совокупности преимуществ у Лайта вполне себе неплохой бэкграунд. Зачастую лучше, чем у 70% шлака с крипторейтингов. Но, как и все старые монеты, плохо подходит для инвестирования. На среднесроке только барыжить им. Но торговать удобно. График понятный, комса маленькая, везде есть, ликва гуд, всё новомодное оперативно прикурчивается. Нет богомезского ПОС, который так раздражает криптанов. Grin
         Почему не подходит LTC для инвестиций? Ах, ну да! Криптаны ведь не привыкли к прибыли в несколько процентов. Им иксы подавай. Я же считаю, что вполне годится. Есть перспективы роста в ближайшем будущем. Да, не сделать, конечно, иксов с такой капитализацией, но профит будет однозначно. Все же лучше те проекты, которые проверены временем и не имеют явных признаков скама и\или что-то подобное.
         Я предполагаю сценарий, что монета вполне способна дотянуть до уровня 250$:


Так если тянуть до 250 то это тоже иксы, пускай не такие большие, как на других, молодых альтах, но они будут, хотя, если будет бычка, то инвестировать в лайт и правда глупо, зачем заносить котлету ради двух иксов, если любой другой альт даст иксов 20-30? Возможно не покупают исходя из такой логики))) Но для торговли лайт очень даже подходит
1184  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: May 27, 2023, 07:26:01 PM
It could be ! But if Sébastien Haller can scored in a penalty seems like Dortmund can win, it's a sad he missed that golden opportunity. Many people expected them to win including me, but they failed. And it should be like that, on paper Dortmund should be able to win easily but luck is still on Bayern Munich side.
Fans will be very disappointed with this result, although Dortmund also did not lose, but they didn't get the title and yeah no celebration at there altthough everything was prepared.

I was gutted also because I sincerely didn’t want Bayern to do the 11th time succession, I wanted Dortmund to win not just for the sake of toppling Bayern but because of players like Reus and Modeste who both have been in the league for so long and haven’t pitched the title. Mainz were just superb today especially their goal keeper but Dortmund didn’t threaten that much although they had above 25 shots and also above 10 on target. Most of these shots came from crosses and Mainz were just too organized at the back today.


 I tried to watch two matches at the same time, Dortmund really missed a lot of chances in the second half, they tried their best, but Mainz defended with the whole team and they managed to draw as a result. Bayern played frankly badly, I can’t understand the reason for such a game, they almost didn’t attack, when the score became 1:1 they didn’t try to force things, but played as if they were already champions.

I don’t know if such Bayern deserve to be a champion, but the thing is that everything depended on Dortmund, if they couldn’t beat an unmotivated opponent in the last, decisive match, then probably everything ended logically, the champion should win in
decisive match.

Although Dortmund created chances they weren’t clear cut ones. You can’t continue to cross the ball when your center forward was been bullied on air by the opposition. Dortmund were somewhat lacking a driver in the midfield because of the absence of Bellingham. Just like you said Bayern were composed even at the brink of losing the title is the same way Dortmund Should have started the game not playing panickly against a team that has lost its last three matches. I also felt that Modeste should had been introduced early in the second half to add more pressure in the opposition box.

Yes, the emotions of the players immediately after the match were terrible, it pains me to look at these pictures. Borussia are like Arsenal this season, missing out on the title at the very last moment when they were still so close to it? Reus becomes vice champion 7 times already, it's very sad
1185  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: May 27, 2023, 07:22:44 PM
If you look at it from that point of view, then yes, of course, Inter have every chance of winning, but I look at the state of the team as well as their strength, on these indicators for me MS is much stronger. But we'll see what happens. It's a pity the finals are still some time away.
There is some persistent negative sentiment being said about Manchester City, but there are also plenty of ways to make them positive enough in their quest for a first Champions League title. I admit that Pep Guardiola has good experience and ability in motivating his players to work better, so I don't think I need to doubt his coaching capacity and how he ended this season.

It's true that both teams have chances, but the favorite is Manchester City. Inter are good to be expected to put up a good game in the final, but either way Manchester City are the real favourites. Fans' optimism has been building, but if in the end Manchester City fall short then it will be a big disappointment for them. I definitely won't believe it.

It will be a disappointment not only for the team itself but also for all the fans. Not even just their fans, but everyone who follows the football world will be disappointed, because MC have more than earned this title, I think. I hope they take a very responsible approach to this final and no incidents happen.
1186  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Биржа Binance 🔶 on: May 27, 2023, 07:18:55 PM
Кому нахрен нужен этот убогий, медленный биткоин с его 5 баксами за транзакцию с 1 входом и 2 выходами, когда есть арбитрум usdt за 10 центов и скоростью подтверждения транзакции в 1 минуту?
Я вчера перевёл в LNP2PBOT 5613 сатоши с комиссией 1 сатоши (0,03 цента) и скоростью транзакции около 1 секунды. И зачем мне нахрен нужен этот убогий медленный арбитрум с его минутой и 10 центами? И зачем мне полагаться на мутный Tether, который может меня забанить в любой момент?

Вопрос, который поставил Ratimov, напомнил мне о том, как недавно я прочитал в чате Bitpapa несколько просьб пользователей добавить в связи с высокими комиссиями в Биткоине возможность вводить и выводить биткоины через другие сети, в частности через BSC. Похоже, сложилась субкультура пользователей Бинанса, которые знают, как отправлять биткоины на блокчейне BSC, но не знают, как отправлять биткоины на Молнии (Lightning Network). И для них блокчейны альткоинов (такие, как BSC или тот же Arbitrum) - это примеры технологий, которые почему-то воспринимаются как более дешёвые и более быстрые, чем технологии, используемые в субкультуре Биткоина.

Интересно, почему так? Уж не Бинанс ли способствует развитию таких представлений?

Я думаю всё проще. Мы изучаем то, на чем зарабатываем, или на чём планируем заработать в будущем.

Сейчас большинство хомяков зарабатывает как раз в таких сетях, как BSC, Arbitrum, Optimizm и т.д. Там проходят всяческие аирдропы, тестнеты.

При этом мы занимаемся, как раз тем, что изучили. Изучили какую-то сеть, будем пользоваться ею, когда придёт такая нужда. То есть тут нет заговора Бинанса.

Точнее Бинанс конечно всячески популяризирует свою сеть, но в основе таких решений хомяков (в хорошем смысле этого слова) лежит не какой-то заговор Бинанса, а набор из навыков и компетенций, которые они получили в результате поиска новых дополнительных способов заработка. Они используют то что знают, что изучили. Я тоже к примеру поступаю точно так же.

Я понимаю, что разговор уже идет не в то русло, но тем не менее. Если вы не зарабатываете в тех сетях, которые вы перечислили, то это не значит, что другие хомяки(не понятно как то в хорошем смысле?), я бы задумалась об обратном. Если вопрос стоит так, то на чем зарабатывать тру холдеру битка? Только ходл биткоина или я может чего не понимаю... Сидеть холдить актив это очень скучно, а следить и участвовать в развитии технологий мало того, что интересно, но еще и бывает приносит прибыль, тут ты хотя бы развиваешься всесторонне, лутая даже не копейку.
1187  Local / Бayнти и aиpдpoпы / Re: RetroHunt on: May 27, 2023, 07:01:06 PM
Добавьте Venom https://venom.network/tasks  Проходят задания в тестовой сети, своп, бридж, за которые дают nft. Все понятно, тестовые монеты тоже на сайте фармятся несложно.

Это тоже в сети венома делать https://club.numi.net/ (надо купить нфт и за это дадут клейм нфт)
и игра, взрывающая мозг Grin - https://quest.numi.net/

Добавила, фонд этого проекта привлек 1 лярд, коль уж это арабы, то такой сумме не удивляюсь, правда кроме статьи это нигде не упоминается и крипторанк в статусе "временно недоступен", это мне не нравится...
1188  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: May 26, 2023, 08:04:11 PM
Yes, it's true that Casmiro played very well against Chelsea, apart from scoring goals, he was also part of the process for the second goal. I see Casemiro is a very extraordinary player and he is a great signing for Man United this season. He also easily adapted to the Premier League, which we know is a very tight league. Maybe without him Man United might not qualify for the UCL next season.

With the win against Chelsea, Man United is safe in the top 4 Zone. What ETH has done this season with this squad is amazing. I think it's time for Man United to rest their key players against Fulham and prepare to face Man City. The game was huge for many reasons one of them being wanting to win win the FA Cup this is going to be a brilliant season for ETH and Man United.
Casemiro started Man Utd's 1 goal in the 6th minute through an assist provided by Eriksen, even though it lasted for a few minutes but at the end of the first half Martial managed to add 1 more goal for Man Utd (first half ended with a score of 2-0)
to be honest, the strategy used by Lampard was not suitable and effective at all against Man Utd, he even put Pulisic into the game in the second half (Pulisic should have played since the first half), Chelsea really lacks good strikers and midfielders, they continue to look messy and have to settle for being ranked 12th at the moment.

It's hard to say whose problem it is, Chelsea's or the coach's... Lampard's return looks very bad, defeat after defeat and only one win. It's hard for me to say if it's the players in particular, it's probably the tactics of the coach who can't get the players on the pitch to play more confidently
1189  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Coinlist - хайп площадка токенсейлов on: May 26, 2023, 07:50:13 PM
Удивительно, что у тебя всего лишь один акк там, ты же в теме, знаешь, что там надо иметь пачку, на всякий случай. Wink

Да на самом деле ничего удивительного. Я везде имею как минимум по несколько аккаунтов за исключением двух мест, это бинанс и коинлист, может быть еще какой "сервис" найдется. Это я к тому, что именно к ним у меня минимальное доверие, что могут легко увести деньги. Причем это не целенаправленно, аля вот не доверяю, поэтому точно не буду мультить, нет, как-то подсознательно это сформировалось, лишь со временем это заметила.

Зная как прошел сейл киберконнекта, то могу сказать, что дай бог половина из "заслуженных" участников archway попадут в сейл))) Так что удачи ребятам

Ты имеешь ввиду то как киберконнект своих амбассадоров с приоритеткой через одно место пробросил?

Да там не только амбов они обделили, а в целом многих из тех, кто попал в список(тот список кошельков, который они публиковали). Другой вопрос уже к киберконнекту, как они формировали этот список, я очень много мнений видела, что список сделан рандомно, абсолютно. Но ситуация не приятная, полуачется, что список сделан на рандом, и залет приоритетки либо реальный рандом, либо кл уже сам отсек многих
1190  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: May 26, 2023, 07:42:17 PM
>snip
Especially in the final? What are you talking about, they were in the final 13 years ago, and don't compare experience, you look at the physical stats of the teams. Manchester City are three heads above and stronger than Inter... I didn't see anything special in their game against Milan, who have been performing mildly underwhelming this season.
Of course I know that Manchester City's performance and their hard work to reach the final this season are much better and harder than Inter. I agree that Manchester City are the favorites to win the title, but considering this is football, experience and Inter's chances and confidence to win titles cannot be ignored either.

Inter are not the favourites, their form has been unstable but it is still very reasonable to think that Inter also have chance in the final. Manchester City cannot take Inter lightly for any reason even though Inter's players today are no longer the same as when they won titles in the past.

If you look at it from that point of view, then yes, of course, Inter have every chance of winning, but I look at the state of the team as well as their strength, on these indicators for me MS is much stronger. But we'll see what happens. It's a pity the finals are still some time away.
1191  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: May 25, 2023, 09:09:44 PM
>snip
Like you, I used to bet on PSG. I also thought PSG was a very strong team. I lost the biggest bet of my life in a PSG match. I was sure PSG would win there.  But that match was a 1-1 draw. From then until today I have not bet for PSG. With PSG having the best star, not every match has a very bad result as expected.

And yes this season Manchester City is the strongest and most reliable team. I have also won many bets by betting on Manchester City. Especially Arling Haaland, Silva, Kevin De Bruyne, Rodrigo, Alvarez, all Man City players in general are in winning roles now. Here I am stating in advance that I will definitely bet with Manchester City in UEFA Champions Cup because Man City will definitely win the UEFA Cup.
Manchester City basically has not got any guarantee to win the Champions League title this season. I know this is their second final in the last 5 seasons and Pep Guardiola will do everything he can to win it for Manchester City since he has been coach. Manchester City are the favourites, however Inter are also not too bad in terms of experience in the Champions League especially in the final.


Manchester City's performance this season has been very convincing and they will probably win it. Fans have been too sure about that and of cource Manchester City must avoid all mistake and should not be repeated as the previous final against Chelsea.

Especially in the final? What are you talking about, they were in the final 13 years ago, and don't compare experience, you look at the physical stats of the teams. Manchester City are three heads above and stronger than Inter... I didn't see anything special in their game against Milan, who have been performing mildly underwhelming this season.
1192  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 25, 2023, 08:34:30 PM
Jordi Alba contract with Barcelona expiry on 2024 and seems he want to leave as soon possible due less appearance in this season, after Sergio Busquets not extended contract right now Barcelona loss most loyal player Jordi Alba. Last rumor, Jordi Alba linked with Atletico Madrid and seems best option for him for getting more minutes playing. Due 34 years old right now I think Jordi Alba still has potential on the top level for two until three years later.

Excited to know what the new team for Jordi Alba next season? keep play in La Liga or try with other challenge from European teams until with the last option play in MLS League.

It's not just that, the player may not want to leave the team, but that's what the club management wants. I don't know what the real situation is, but everyone knows that Barcelona will try to sign Messi, which requires cutting player salaries or saying goodbye to some of them. Maybe that's the reason
Alba has previously said that he is willing to take a pay cut in order to be at Barcelona but indeed at the moment the conditions are also very difficult for Barcelona considering they have to close their cash which is currently not doing well and the possibility of releasing several players, especially for short contracts again runs out to be an option for them.
It's difficult even though Alba is one of the players I think is recognized at Barcelona but with his current condition it doesn't have any impact on his future.
Yes, I think Alba's decision was right to end the partnership with Barcelona. There were several factors that influenced the decision and one of the main causes was related to Barcelona's finances. The Blaugrana are indeed looking for a solution to reduce expenses to finance player salaries. Jordi Alba is a high-paid player, even though he agreed to lower his wages, but because his playing minutes were starting to decrease, he made that decision and will look for new challenges.

Jordi Alba followed Sergio Busquets' decision to also end his service at Camp Nou. So Barcelona lost two important figures in their squad again, but the world continues to turn and Barcelona continues to improve and Xavi seems to have found the right replacement.

These two important players are at the age when they can finish their careers, so I don't think Barcelona have lost much, it's better to find young players to replace them, it will take time, but it will be better. I'm not saying they played badly, It's just that their time has come to an end
1193  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Coinlist - хайп площадка токенсейлов on: May 25, 2023, 08:00:56 PM

Многим акки побанили в последнее время, мне забанили акк, который зареган на рус паспорт, пишут, ваша верификация не проходит по разрешенным странам юрисдикции. Ответа до сих пор нет, тех.поддержка даже после редизайна работает всё также ублюдски.

Ну мне забанили мой единственный акк еще в далеком 21 году(я даже сюда писала об этом), перед сейлом бикономи, но, в принципе, это был последний хороший сейл, дальше был какой то ректовый мрак. Я тогда забила, но сейчас хочу разбанить акк не только для участия в сейле. В прошлом году присоединялась к одной амбассадорской программе, а у них вериф идет через коинлист(удивилась, что у них еще и вериф сервис есть), но из-за бана меня не верифало. Так что на такие случаи все таки лучше иметь живой акк...


Еще немного инфы по сейлу Archway:

Quote
- Поучаствовать смогут всего 6000 человек.
- Фондам цена токена обошлась в 0.148$
- По поводу приоритетного доступа. Как и для предыдущих сейлов, в Coinlist Help пишется, что приоритетный доступ получат пользователи с прокаченными CoinList аккаунтами и заслуженные участники Archway (правда в этот раз не уточняют сколько именно адресов выделено под этих самых заслуженных).

Зная как прошел сейл киберконнекта, то могу сказать, что дай бог половина из "заслуженных" участников archway попадут в сейл))) Так что удачи ребятам
1194  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Coinlist - хайп площадка токенсейлов on: May 25, 2023, 04:09:10 PM
Не опять, а снова. Новый сейл на коинлист - Archway. Немного деталей:
-0.20 за токен
-40 дней клиф и далее 8 месяцев линейный разлок
-лимиты покупок: 100-1000$
-дедлайн по реге - 12 июня

Если в двух словах о проекте, то очередной космофорк, который позволяет легко разворачивать смартконтракты(лол, что?). И даже такое собрало 21кк от фондов, + соберут на паблике еще 6кк. Ответов на квиз не нашла еще, дополню пост как только появятся.

Походу придется в тп писать, что бы единственный акк разблокировали, а то гора сейлов, мб гем какой-нибудь рано или поздно подкинут Grin
1195  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 24, 2023, 08:40:50 PM
Jordi Alba contract with Barcelona expiry on 2024 and seems he want to leave as soon possible due less appearance in this season, after Sergio Busquets not extended contract right now Barcelona loss most loyal player Jordi Alba. Last rumor, Jordi Alba linked with Atletico Madrid and seems best option for him for getting more minutes playing. Due 34 years old right now I think Jordi Alba still has potential on the top level for two until three years later.

Excited to know what the new team for Jordi Alba next season? keep play in La Liga or try with other challenge from European teams until with the last option play in MLS League.

It's not just that, the player may not want to leave the team, but that's what the club management wants. I don't know what the real situation is, but everyone knows that Barcelona will try to sign Messi, which requires cutting player salaries or saying goodbye to some of them. Maybe that's the reason
1196  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: May 24, 2023, 08:37:02 PM
I just think that Manchester City is unlikely to play aimlessly today. Pep Guardiola will try to maintain his winning streak even though Brighton will be a tough team to beat. Manchester City have been safe so far, but they have to be very concerned about good games and positive results going into the FA Cup final and Champions League final.

Manchester City have won 12 straight games since being forced to a 1-1 draw by Nottingham in February. If Manchester City manages to beat Brighton, it will be their 13th successive win in the Premier League. I agree there is a possibility of a draw if Brighton really wants to win at home.

Pep Guardiola knows what he needs to do what is certain is that he will prioritize important matches whereas in the Premier League they are champions
I won't be surprised if they draw today or play with the second player because basically this fight is not important, Brighton might have a great chance to win today.

I just checked the line up, it turned out that Manchester City played the main squad, I didn't understand what Pep strategy.

Perhaps it's about just playing it cool and not stressing. At the moment it's really all about the match ending in a draw, but I don't think that's a bad thing.  This is the last match, they are preparing for the Champions League final and the FA Cup final, it's better to put all our energy into it.
1197  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Последний вагон на север on: May 24, 2023, 06:27:53 PM
Да, бесконечного поднятия ставок не бывает. Но, говорят, что текущее повышение уже самое быстрое в истории и это при том, что даже такое поднятие инфляцию не обуздывает. Вот сколько бабла напечатали.)
  Я думаю, вероятно летом ещё поподнимают. В июне точно должны... да и в июле высоковероятно. А вот касаемо августа уже вопрос спорный. Потом должна  быть пауза на несколько месяцев обычно.

Ну вообще бытует мнение, что до конца года ставка и вовсе понизится до 4.7 с нынешних 5+, так что замедление повышения ставок не то что бы рядом, оно вроде даже на носу, поднимут мне кажется еще максимум один раз, а потом будет затишье, глядишь там и начнут понижать ставку. С этим дефолтом, инфляцией и тд это мне напоминает все спираль смерти, забавно
1198  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Биржа Binance 🔶 on: May 24, 2023, 04:07:05 PM
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Мне кажется, вполне можно было поскрежетать немножко зубами и отказаться от использования стейблкоинов. Зачем они вообще нужны, если есть bitcoin? Можно убрать все пары к стейблкоинам и  оставить только пара к Биткоину.

Напомню, что раньше на криптовалютных биржах именно так и торговали. Можно ещё установить пары к Эфириуму.

Это было раньше. А сейчас, когда в рынке уже много народу, всяких фондов и тд рынок становится способом заработка. Убрать пары к стейблам только или, в том числе к фиатным парам? В таком случае этот рынок станет для многих бесполезным, если не будет возможности обналичиться. Хотя, это ваше мышление на очень далекую перспективу, прям очень...(то есть я не отрицаю, что такое будет, хотя верится мало)
1199  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: May 22, 2023, 08:57:37 PM
Personally, I don't think they are or will be mentally tired, they have more than enough motivation to carry on their games even from now on, winning the premier league title this season again is a great motivation for them, and If you really think that they are tired due to how busy they've been all through this few weeks, then I tell you aren't, if you doubt, then watch their games coming soo..

It's not that I doubt it, I rather fear that they are exhausted. In fact, to be on the safe side, I wouldn't release key players for the last game to ensure they go into the final fully charged up, although they might not need to at all... It is obvious to many that MC is closer than ever to three titles in a season
1200  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season on: May 22, 2023, 08:48:43 PM
Mourinho has led his team to this title twice, so Mourinho's experience alone may be enough for Roma to win the final. Both of his finals in this league have been victories, Porto in the 02/02 season and Manchester United in the 16/17 season.  I'm not talking about the champions league... So if Mourinho has brought the team to this stage, he will surely do his best to win

Mourinho has one advantage and that is not necessarily the experience, but the willingness to accept a 0-0 draw and penalty kicks. Sevilla won't want that and as long as Roma can keep a clean sheet, Mourinho knows that Sevilla will get impatient and perhaps lose their nerves at some point.

Speaking of experience I think that Sevilla does not need to hide. There is a good number of players who have participated in and won huge finals, even the World Cup final 2022. Mourinho's experience alone won't win them the game, but when they have a bit of luck and can get Sevilla to be despaired, the momentum will be in favor of Roma. I fear that could be his game plan.

I hadn't thought about it, but it sounds quite plausible, only in that case Roma's players would have to play on endurance, which is mentally tough as well. Running, defending and waiting for the opponent to make a mistake is not so much difficult as dangerous, because if you concentrate on that you can also make a mistake yourself, as if the same does not happen here
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