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11881  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: SINGULAR-DTV ICO completo on: March 03, 2017, 12:49:56 AM
É pessoal, minha ordem de compra foi executada. Comprei um pouco acima do valor mais baixo.

Sem grandes novidades as pessoas acabam despejando as moedas no mercado.

bittrex - SingularDTV
24h Low: 0.00000865 BTC

Feliz por você e triste pelo projeto.
O slack tem aumentado o volume de informações, mas ainda tem sido insuficientes para a grande maioria das pessoas.
Mas esse projeto pode ter um pump muito rápido se realmente houver os lançamentos no roadmap.

Vamos aguardar, porque eu realmente acredito neste projeto.


Será que essa queda não é resultante da alta do BTC? pessoal querendo pegar btc para trocar por fiat agora na alta, ai depois recomprar BTC depois do dump que certamente vai ocorrer semana que vem, e ai recomprar essa alt. Pelo menos é o meu pensamento.

Minha pergunta é: Quanto a moeda variou de preço em relação ao USD?
11882  Local / Brasil / Re: Comprar EURO com BITCOIN e transferir internacionalmente on: March 03, 2017, 12:44:59 AM
Pelo que eu entendi da pergunta..

Compre bitcoin na FoxBit, vá para a europa e troque por euro em alguma exchange de la, e ai saque seus euros.. Só precisa ver como funciona as exchanges la, se você precisa de uma conta bancaria de la em seu nome, etc... Ou pode tentar vender P2P quando estiver la(mais arriscado).

edit: exchanges que trabalham com euro: https://exchangewar.info/coinprice?btc_eur

Pensei em fazer isso, mas como só vou para lá no final do ano eu queria comprar o EURO agora, entende? Existe uma outra alternativa?

Não é muito indicado, porém da pra deixar os euros parados na exchange... O risco é hackearem a exchange ou funcionarios roubarem os clientes.

Desconheço outra forma, daqui a pouco aparece alguém para apresentar mais soluções.
11883  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Transação demorando horas e ainda nao teve 1 confirmação on: March 03, 2017, 12:43:00 AM
Depois vou criar um tópico reunindo algumas informações e links, é só o preço do BTC subir que aparece muita gente nova com as mesmas dúvidas e criando os mesmos tópicos..
11884  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Bitcoin Atinge Preço Recorde on: March 03, 2017, 12:35:20 AM
Acho que o pico do BTC foi 1250, não foi? Logo passa...

E no dia 11 com a reprovação,,,,vai lá para 700 dinovo...

Estou torcendo para que no futuro volte a despencar. Quero trocar os meus reais por bitcoins.


 :shock: 

To na mesma que você.

vamos ficar atentos para o dia 11


Falando nisso, esqueci de fazer essa pergunta, vai SER dia 11 ou o prazo é ATÉ dia 11? Isso muda tudo.. Se for ATÉ dia 11, tem que ficar esperto, podem reprovar antes e o preço cair antes, ai tem que ficar atento.
11885  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Bitcoin vale mais do que o ouro pela primeira vez na história on: March 03, 2017, 12:27:54 AM
Quem investiu dinheiro na compra da criptomoedas bitcoin há alguns meses atrás provavelmente deve estar com um sorriso de orelha a orelha. Pela primeira vez na história, a moeda digital vale mais do que uma unidade de ouro real. Em números, isso significa que o preço de 1 BTC (unidade de medida da bitcoin) está avaliado em US$ 1.261,56 (ou R$ 3.975,69).

A moeda está se valorizando desde o início de janeiro. No primeiro mês do ano, a Bitcoin deu um susto nos investidores quando caiu de US$ 1.129,87, em 4 de janeiro, para US$ 775,98 no dia 11. De lá pra cá a alta foi de 63,62%, conforme mostra o gráfico abaixo:



O ouro que vinha em uma crescente desde o final de dezembro, enfrenta uma curta queda nos últimos dias. Segundo o GoldPrice, o minério está valendo US$ 1.233,80 atualmente.



Diversos analistas financeiros do mundo inteiro estão buscando explicações para a alta da moeda. Enquanto alguns culpam os crescentes aumentos na compra de Ethereum e Dash, moedas que estão se valorizando no momento, outros julgam que os investidores estão mais confortáveis com a moeda e, por isso, estão investindo mais dinheiro nela.


fonte: https://olhardigital.uol.com.br/noticia/bitcoin-vale-mais-do-que-o-ouro-pela-primeira-vez-na-historia/66544
11886  Local / Brasil / Re: [Ajuda] Transação não confirmada on: March 02, 2017, 09:35:17 PM
Tá um caos as transações, olhei de tarde tinha 70k+ não confirmadas, agora já ta passando dos 90k, complicado pra quem ta com pressa...

Espero que o preço continue subindo essa semana  Cheesy
11887  Local / Brasil / Re: Comprar EURO com BITCOIN e transferir internacionalmente on: March 02, 2017, 05:00:26 PM
Pelo que eu entendi da pergunta..

Compre bitcoin na FoxBit, vá para a europa e troque por euro em alguma exchange de la, e ai saque seus euros.. Só precisa ver como funciona as exchanges la, se você precisa de uma conta bancaria de la em seu nome, etc... Ou pode tentar vender P2P quando estiver la(mais arriscado).

edit: exchanges que trabalham com euro: https://exchangewar.info/coinprice?btc_eur
11888  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PTC][New Thread] PesetaCoin | Spain | Bittrex - NovaExchange + 3 on: March 02, 2017, 05:39:54 AM
PM sent about the bounties.

Good luck to the new team!
11889  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: Dash Torna-se na 5ª Maior Criptomoeda on: March 02, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
Não para nunca de subir, já ta em 319milhões o marketcap :O


11890  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: WeTrust Lança Hoje a Sua ICO on: March 02, 2017, 12:31:57 AM
Infelizmente não tenho nem 5 reais para investir.

Eu até tenho 5, só não sei se tenho paciência para esperar a moeda dar uma valorizada.. em outras palavras: talvez eu precise do dinheiro antes disso..
11891  Local / Primeiros Passos (Iniciantes) / Re: Transações de BITCOIN on: March 01, 2017, 11:21:58 PM
Aqui tem o pessoal falando sobre exchanges: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1674642.0
A "mais querida" é a FoxBit, pessoal também usa a WallTime por ter taxas pequenas e até a bitcointoyou(seria o meu Top 3)

Investiria em estudo, há várias opções, comprar altcoins(curto-médio-longo prazo), segurar os BTC por muito tempo, vender os BTC na alta e comprar na baixa... Enfim, algo que preferencialmente você consiga controlar seu dinheiro.


Valeu pelos links Loganota, daria pra gente organizar um tópico com todos esses links úteis ai uma hora Wink.
11892  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Me ajudem transação não caiu em minha carteira on: March 01, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
É, complicado perder dinheiro assim, o que eu tentaria se estivesse brabo é procurar algum meio legal de fuder com esse cara, como o final do dinheiro está em uma CloudMining, supostamente ele deve ter uma conta lá, talvez até tenha os dados deles nessa mineradora(ou com o apoio da justiça saber por qual endereço ele retira os lucros dessa mineradora, para qual exchange ele manda e qual conta bancaria ele utiliza para trocar seus BTC por fiat money), ou seja, daria pra tentar descobrir quem é e pedir para a Interpol prender ele.  Roll Eyes Cool


Edit: Foda entrar em tudo que é site de BTC e baixar arquivos desconhecidos.

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11893  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Me ajudem transação não caiu em minha carteira on: March 01, 2017, 07:34:24 PM
transação feita ontem mas em minha carteira não caiu nada o que posso fazer ?

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/37435d4f554b009071a707b7f9b5f30f317b2131db9fd214ed4417ea097f1eb8


Já tem 155 confirmações, oque quer dizer que a grana está disponivel para a sua carteira. O problema pode ser de conectividade. Qual carteira está usando?

Inclusive as duas "saidas" dessa transação estão marcadas como "spent", ou seja, não só já entrou na carteira de destino, como já foi gasto. Tem como dar mais informações? qual dos endereços listados na transação é o seu? qual o valor transacionado? Qual carteira está usando?


carteira de uso e a blockchain  , endereço gerado para a transação e esse 1Gh9FsJstjWGZ438Bq1xsmT88mR3Mz7B6k , comprei 0,05 btc  .

Esse é o seu endereço? Já teve 300+ transações, imagino que você não seja novato.

A transação foi recebida aqui: https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/37435d4f554b009071a707b7f9b5f30f317b2131db9fd214ed4417ea097f1eb8
E foi gasta logo depois aqui: https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/514ff097a25ef87d095deec3039c3c3b28de26eb59da6c365694f3442c8e18d0

Parece que você comprou poder de mineração da Hashnest com esses BTC ai.
11894  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Serviços financeiros para economia descentralizada. ICO TERMINAD on: March 01, 2017, 06:36:59 PM
A ICONOMI voltou a subir! Adoro esses pumps

Deve ser porque lançaram o acesso Beta da plataforma, aqui o e-mail que recebi ontem:

"Dear ICONOMI investors,

we’re excited to let you know that the ICNX trading beta access has started and share additional details with you.

As part of the beta test the users will be able to deposit & withdraw funds to their accounts and purchase & sell ICNX tokens.
Beta access to the ICNX trading platform will be rolled out gradually while we monitor the status of the platform. The time until all the users have access to ICNX trading features depends on many factors, including external ones - for example, scaling up the number of users during a calm market period could lead to issues when the market breaks or pumps. 

Users that applied for beta testing program will be added first, then investors based on the amount invested in the ICO and then everyone else.

We are imposing certain limitations during the beta test:

A 1.5 BTC daily trading limit
Withdrawal of ICNX tokens will be disabled to prevent secondary market sales (a person with access to the platform could be moving ICNX off the platform and sell them elsewhere).
We’re also including a screenshot of the platform below.

"
11895  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: CloudBleed: Mude a Sua Password on: March 01, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
Exchanges que foram afectadas:

  • Coinbase
  • Bitfinex
  • Kraken
  • Poloniex
  • Bittrex
  • C-cex

Só por deus mesmo ter que ficar entrando em cada uma e mudando o password.. e pelo que olhei agora no meu e-mail, nenhuma delas se preocupou em enviar nada falando sobre isso(talvez vão esperar dar alguma merda antes de tomar providencias, afinal se mandarem um e-mail agora, a midia pode fazer parecer que foram hackeados e/ou dizer que btc não é seguro)

A Kraken enviou um email. As outras, só sou cadastrado na bitfinex, poloniex e bittrex. Nenhuma delas mandou.

Problema de não mandarem e-mail é que você pode ter algo parado la e não entrar na exchange a algum tempo e não ver o aviso(ex: poloniex).



Não consegui trocar a senha na Bittrex e não consegui ativar o 2FA na C-Cex, mais alguém com esse problema?
11896  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: [ChronoBank] [ICO] Revolução Blockchain na indústria de recrutamento on: March 01, 2017, 04:14:55 AM
Nesse rally do BTC que está acontecendo, sim eu acredito que o povo venda logo, só para ter o BTC em mãos.

Negócio é vender os BTC dia 10 e comprar de volta na semana seguinte quando o preço tiver caido, e ai comprar alts, talvez elas subam depois dessa história toda ai.

Problema é que é burrice investir numa ICO e perder 20%, 30% logo quando ela é lançada, lembrando que não tem as recompensas ainda, ou seja, pode cair ainda mais.

O Shooter deve ter um portfolio de muitas moedas só com recompensas de tradução, ta ai só esperando os pumps delas Cheesy
11897  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: [ANN] [TRST] [TOKEN SALE] WeTrust.io PLATAFORMA DE PAGAMENTO E SEGUROS on: March 01, 2017, 04:08:13 AM
Notícia boa para a WeTrust.
Pelo visto eles tem a confiança do time ICONOMI, e provavelmente receberão um investimento deles. Quem assina o newsletter da ICONOMI recebeu o email a respeito.


"My general conclusion is neutral. I’m positive about the team, product plan and product strategy. But information is lacking and recent major changes and the design choices regarding the token sale structure does imply a focus on short-term thinking and not a focused and well thought out long-term plan."

Basicamente o cara listou uns problemas que em sua maioria são de falta de mais informação a respeito do projeto, mas o time ja entrou em contato dizendo que parte deles só serão divulgados depois, como parte do plano de mercado, e as demais informações serão acrescentadas no Whitepaper.

Ps: o comentário que coloquei foi feito antes da resposta do time.

Querendo ou não, a ICONOMI ta mostrando serviço e é sempre bom nadar perto dessa baleia, os projetos que eles apostam tem potencial(real) e o fato deles botarem dinheiro, faz ainda mais dinheiro(de outros investidores independentes) entrar nessas ICO's, e o preço do ICN eu não preciso nem falar muito, vai continuar valorizando, sem freio.

Será que eles vão botar uma grana nessa moeda? Se for vai ser no primeiro dia para pegar os 30% de bonus.

Na verdade o valor do ICN deu uma despencada, ontem quando olhei tava em 27k, isso devido a problemas regulatórios nos EUA, e a plataforma que acho que ainda não pagou dividendo. Já vendi meus tokens, então estou meio por fora do que está de fato rolando por lá.

Mas sem dúvida alguma, os caras sabem onde botar dinheiro, veja o caso da Golen, que foi o primeiro investimento da ICN, a moeda simplesmente se valorizou muito desde o lançamento, principalmente depois de entrar na Poloniex.

A WeTrust tem potencial sim, e com as correções indicadas na publicação da ICONOMI, o projeto se sustenta ainda mais.

Tava vindo aqui postar que tava "bom para comprar então", abri o marketcap e.. parece que já passou, 21,22% de alta nas últimas 24 horas Wink fora o valor de 3x da ICO em poucos meses após o lançamento.

aqui o que eu recebi deles por email sobre a wetrust

"Dear investor,

To keep you updated about what is happening in the ICO space, we’ll be sharing Daniel Zakrisson's (our Head of Investment Evaluations) ICO evaluations with you.

He will be trying to cover the most interesting and widely discussed upcoming ICOs, and you can expect evaluations once or twice per month from now on. The thoughts and opinions are purely his own and this should not be considered investment advice. The following is the first evaluation shared with you, and if you have any feedback on this service please let us know via support@iconomi.net

 

WeTrust: Lending Circles Going Blockchain
Disclaimer: I don’t get any compensation for writing these ICO evaluations. I select the projects myself based on what I think is most interesting in the space at the moment, my availability and in regards to the ICO start. These evaluations are a continuation of the ICO evaluations I did before joining ICONOMI, they are done by me personally and any thoughts expressed are purely my own.

 
One of the great promises of blockchain technology is to be a foundational technology in the (probably) upcoming disruption of the financial markets around the world. The traditional banking institutions will be challenged by agile companies with faster, cheaper and more secure services. One of the results will be that the unbanked population in many parts of the world will get access to new services that traditional institutions cannot provide.

 
This is a space heating up rapidly. Late last year we saw Branche (a cheque cashing and payday loan service) fail their ICO. Now, WeTrust will launch their ICO on March 1, and over the coming weeks and months several other projects aiming to bring services to currently un- or underbanked will launch ICOs. Among others these include Omise Go and Humaniq.

 
I’m subjectively scoring each of the categories below from 0 to 5, where 3 should be neutral in the eyes of the crowdsale participant. Below 3 is bad for the investor and above 3 is good for the investor (and could be good for the project as well). At the end I add a conclusion where I rate the whole ICO based on the combined information I have as negative, neutral or positive.


Project: WeTrust
 
The main tagline from the website is:

A platform for Trusted Lending Circles, powered by people and blockchain.

 
The slightly longer explanation from the whitepaper is:

WeTrust is a collaborative savings, lending and insurance platform that is autonomous, agnostic, frictionless, and decentralized. WeTrust utilizes the Ethereum blockchain to create a full-stack alternative financial system that leverages existing social capital and trust networks, eliminating the need for a “trusted third party”, allowing for lower fees, improved incentive structures, decentralized risks, allowing a greater amount of capital to reside among the participants, and ultimately improving financial inclusion on a global scale.

Personally I find the concept very interesting. The goal is to build a platform with increasingly complex alternative financial and insurance products. The first product being developed is an application for Trusted Lending Circles (aka Rotating and Saving Credit Association/ROSCA).

 
They have a website at www.wetrust.io, a blog at medium.com/wetrust-blog and there is a proof-of-concept available on rosca.wetrust.io/. To hear the founders talk more about the project in their own words, watch the CoinFunds Hangout or listen to the Blockchannels podcast with them.

 
Team/Founders 4/5 
Do these guys have what it takes to succeed as entrepreneurs? Track record and previous projects? Experience and formal education? 4/5

 
As I’ve been arguing before, the single most important aspect of any new venture or startup is the team behind it. It’s up to the founding team to execute and deliver on the promises made, bring value to investors, adapt to the external environment and explain why changes are made to the strategy and products over time.

 
The on-paper profiles of the founders (linkedin, available in the whitepaper) seem like a strong foundation for budding entrepreneurs. George has startup experience, and he and Ron have also worked for Google for quite a while, giving them exposure to the much more process-oriented workflows used in larger organisations.

 
From the youtube video and podcasts they have done, I get a feeling of confidence in their abilities. They are able to clearly explain what they are doing and their plans which is a very important skill, and they seem to already have given a lot of thought to all the questions they have been asked.

 
In interviews they say that the core focus will be on tech development, and that there are a few other developers already engaged.

 
Altogether, I get a very positive feeling from the information and interviews available.

 
Market Potential 4/5
Like many other blockchain projects, it is very hard to correctly identify the potential size of the markets they are going after. Just limiting ourselves to the potential ROSCA market, the crypto based ROSCA market is $0 as far as I know today (since no competing services exist). On the other hand, ROSCAs in the old economy are widespread and widely used in many different countries and communities, and this is, of course, what WeTrust is aiming for.
 
By bringing a simpler, more secure and more structured service the goal is to bring some of the transaction volume in traditional ROSCAs to the platform.

 
The potential here is huge ($450 billion in the markets listed in the whitepaper), but it’s also very important to not get trapped in the 1 percent fallacy (“if we only get 1 percent of the online search market from Google, we’ll get rich”). With the platform’s other upcoming products listed in the whitepaper I do think there is a potential huge market well worth going for.

 
Product/Business/Operating Plan 2/5 
Proof of concept available? How many iterations are done? MVP available? Is the product validated by outside users? 4/5

 
There is a proof-of-concept available at rosca.wetrust.io, and as far as I have tested it, it is limited in functionality but operational. I have not seen any usage reports from outside users who have completed an entire epoch in the system, but I would assume that works for now.

 
By having a proof-of-concept available, the WeTrust team shows a good example of where technically a project should be when launching an ICO.

 
What is the current operating plan and why do they need funding now? 3/5

To make this work for the target audience there is, of course, a lot of work to be done. I think a smartphone interface is an absolute must, and with that come deep dependencies on other projects, such as status.im.

 
On the roadmap presented in the whitepaper, it is understood that the current ROSCA implementation is ready to be used. In Q2 2017, the first full-featured version will be launched (that includes fees), and Q4 2017 will see the integration of off-chain social accounts to this product.

 
The roadmap then goes on to map out the main product launches and features until Q1 2019, when the insurance products should be ready to launch and integrate into the platform.

 
I think it’s clear that funding is needed now, and will be used to develop the products and platforms.

 
What I’m missing from the roadmap is that this is purely a technical roadmap, it does not cover any market development goals or what value they plan to bring to users and token holders during this time. Also, I would assume a lot of the progress is dependent on other projects (such as status.im) and this is not covered at all in the roadmap.

 
What is the go-to market strategy? 2/5

This is one area I think is clearly lacking in the whitepaper.
 
The only clear market strategy communicated is a focus on collaborations with NGOs and other organisations in order to drive user adoption to the platform. This sounds like a good strategy, but there should be testimonials and preferably commitments that this product is interesting and needed by them, otherwise investors will have no way of knowing whether the go-to market strategy has any merit.

 
The other major drawback is that the product as it stands now requires users to be fully crypto literate. This means users must have access to buy and sell crypto, often requiring access to the same banking institutions the platform is built to work around. Users must also have access and know how to use crypto wallets and at least the foreperson must have access to a computer with Ethereum integration.

 
The buying and selling of crypto could potentially also be handled by the forepersons, but this is a big task. Also, finding and educating suitable forepersons in all of these communities around the world will be a serious challenge.

 
Another huge adoption hurdle not covered in the whitepaper is how dependant this project is on general crypto adoption. Without well-educated forepersons that can explain to the members of the circles in a correct and trustworthy manner how everything works, ROSCAs will not form and user adoption will not come.

 
One positive strategic choice is the structure of a ROSCA. Since each ROSCA has a limited number of participants, the whole platform is not dependant on a big network effect in order to be successful. That would, of course, help and be the best marketing engine they could wish for, but it’s not required in order to get circles started and get users to the platform.

 
Getting heads down to develop a great product is a clearly defined and rewarding task, but in most startups this is the easiest one. Getting paying users and evangelists is in the end the only thing that matters, and that is really hard. I wish we could see much more information on the marketing strategy before the ICO is launched, and this is for me one of the weakest points in the whole project right now.


Competition 4/5 
Do they have a clear view of the competition? How do they plan to beat them? 4/5

 
I would say yes, the founders are well connected in the blockchain sphere and know what is happening and, by highlighting examples of other fintech startups (i.e. in the p2p lending sector), we get a clear picture that they keep track of the competition. What I think is really interesting is that this platform has a good shot at productifying a very large financial sector that is currently unstructured and unproductified. If they can they solve that by recruiting users to their platform (see go-to market strategy above), they have a big chance of doing something great.

 
In competition with other services that aim to bring banking services to the unbanked, they also have a huge strategic lead by starting with the ROSCAs. As discussed above, a ROSCA is functional without a large network of users, which means that the platform will be usable without reaching a critical mass of users in any specific market.


Valuation 3/5 
Does the valuation make sense? 4/5

A total of 100 million tokens will be issued and of these 80 million will be distributed to funders with the rest going to founders, future contingency and bounties (see below). The value of each token will be set depending on the total amount of funding the project receives. In this case I think holding off 20 percent of the tokens is perfectly reasonable.

 
Crowdsale and token structure 2/5

This is one area that I don’t like so much. First of all, they have set a very wide financing range, from 1000 BTC to 6000 BTC, a 6x range from the minimum funding. This automatically raises questions of how efficiently funds will be used close to the top range. The whitepaper loosely mentions investments into global partnerships and grants to organisations with a similar vision (among more relevant use of funds). When raising that much money, there should be a clear plan for how to use it, even though this might change in the future.

 
In the whitepaper they describe the same end goal regardless of funding (a savings, lending and insurance platform), and we are given a table of different levels of sophistication for all the planned services depending on the level of funding. What is missing is an explanation or forecast of how the different funding levels will affect the roadmap, user adoption and traction of the platform. This is important information for potential investors.

 
Of the 100 million issued tokens, the distribution will look like this:

 
2 million to bounties

8 million to future contingency

10 million to founders

80 million to funders

 
In general I think this is OK, with one exception - bounties. On the bitcointalk page there is a detailed breakdown of how these bounties are earned. Bitcointalk-based bounties are OK, I guess; many blockchain projects do them in some form. But encouraging people to retweet and Facebook share at least 15 times per week to earn stakes in the bounty program just promotes spam, and I hate spam.

 
Next up, bonuses. High bonuses also promote short-term speculative behaviour and does not reward the long-term serious investors that a project like this really should be going for. The bonus structure (only available on bitcointalk) looks like this:

1st Day -- 30%

1st Week -- 25%

2nd Week -- 20%

3rd Week -- 15%

4th Week -- 10%

5th Week -- 5%

6th Week -- 0%

 
Even though the steps are pretty small, a structure like this will result in the majority of investment coming in the first week and then it will die off. This is a problem for the project that instead could leverage the network effect of investors, and who could promote the great project they just invested into to friends and contacts over the entire time of the ICO.

 
Legality 2/5
As an investor? 2/5

The current norm for high-profile ICOs is to clearly explain what the token is, how it relates to the main securities regulations (in the US and other jurisdictions) and what measures are taken in order to incorporate in a way that is compliant for the targeted investors and the jurisdiction where the service company will be created. I cannot find any information regarding this in the whitepaper which is a big oversight. I hope this will be clarified before the ICO starts.

 
Update: Information given to me by the team clearly express that this is an application token with no rights or ownership of the company etc. All of this should be covered in a full legal disclosure document that if I understand correctly will be distributed together with the whitepaper once the ICO is ready to launch. They are also working together with an established law firm to make sure the token is designed in a way to be compliant with US SEC regulation. However, none of this information is publicly available at the time of writing and I suggest potential investors should wait and fully review this information once it is publicly available. Also, I would like a summary of this information together with a reference to the full document to be present in the whitepaper, as all relevant information regarding the sale should be available in one place.

 
Legality of the business 3/5

Unfortunately this is not discussed in the whitepaper. Financial regulation and keeping control of the financial system is a highly prioritised task of many governments around the globe. Just like for crypto currencies and investments in general, this is most probably an area without any clear answers. Therefore it’s all the more important that the team describes the current regulatory situation and their current strategy and plans, even if they will change in the future.

 
Update: Comment from the team regarding this, and I hope this will get discussed in the whitepaper: “We are moving slowly, and have received specific guidance from our legal counsel - our first product, the ROSCA/ Trusted Lending Circle - is viewed as an accounting/ automation tool. WeTrust itself does not provide any lending services. It merely helps people group together and helps with the communication between users.

 
For future features, we will engage with legal counsel continuously to ensure that what we’re building does not get us into any regulatory troubles.”

 
Security 2/5 
Proof of external security evaluation? Testing methodology? 2/5

To date there are no published security evaluations, even though they should be performed before the platform is launched to the public. From the whitepaper:
 

In order to ensure that underlying smart contracts that move funds are secure and working as intended, the WeTrust team commits to subjecting its platform to a comprehensive security audit and bounty programs prior to launching the platform to the public. We will hire the most reputable security experts to conduct security audits prior to our public launch, release all results of the audit and fix any flaws that are identified.

 
This is all good, but in my opinion this does not solve the security question and it does not comfort me that funds will be secure on the platform. Security reviews are all good, but it is still just another paper review of the code. Writing secure code is hard, and writing secure smart contracts is even harder (I’ve covered this before). To give confidence that a secure product is developed, there should be extensive validation testing planned, and that takes time (just look at Augur). I hope the team will sort this out by hiring people with extensive experience from aerospace, old-school fintech, medtech or other sectors where there are very high security demands today.

 
Special security needs for this project? 3/5

Except the fact that this platform will handle and hold tokens, there are no aspects that stand out for me.

 
Conclusion - Neutral (with a possibility of being positive)
I know the WeTrust team were contemplating running an ICO In late 2016, but given the progress they’ve made since then in defining the overall strategy, building an MVP and collecting a good team, I absolutely think they made the right choice. I argue that ICOs are a form of advanced seed funding bridging into and replacing traditional Series A venture capital funding. Because of this proof-of-concepts, a well-defined strategy and the foundation of a good team should be in place before the ICO is launched. The WeTrust team now have all of that in place.
 
From what I have seen of the founders they seem strong and capable, and with many core people already committed they are ready to launch pretty quickly.

 
They are going for a very interesting market where I think innovation and blockchain technology (although perhaps invisible to the end user) can make a big difference. I’m also very fond of the strategic choice of first launching a ROSCA platform, where no minimum market penetration is needed for a useful service and then over time launching products that will require and leverage network effects more and more.

 
On the downside I have several issues, some of which I hope will be addressed in the coming days before the ICO is launched. To summarise:

Roadmap: Does not explain or discuss what value is given or lost to different stakeholders, how user adoption is affected and growth will change with different funding levels

Go-to market strategy: Does not address crypto adoption at all, treating it as a non-existing problem. In general very little is discussed about the go-to market strategy.

Legal: No legal or regulatory discussion or information, either for the tokens/investors or for the service

Security: Discussion does not cover the most important aspect of dApp development, validation testing.

Token sale/structure: Large min/max range, sale structure that encourages speculation instead of long-term investments, spam-promoting bounties

 
My general conclusion is neutral. I’m positive about the team, product plan and product strategy. But information is lacking and recent major changes and the design choices regarding the token sale structure does imply a focus on short-term thinking and not a focused and well thought out long-term plan.

 
I would change my conclusion to positive if relevant information is shared regarding the first four points above, and if the team committed to a staged release of funds. For example, a third of the funds are immediately released to the team and when the team needs more funds token holders are given the right to vote against the release of another third of the funds.

 
Update: I’ve shared this evaluation with the team around 24 hours before publishing, to give them a chance to comment and correct any errors and oversights on my side. I got news on several updates that are not yet publicly shared regarding the go-to-market strategy, project focus in case it does not reach the full financing and relating to a staged release of funds. If I understand correctly the whitepaper will be update and information will be shared by the team soon, and when it is I’ll go back and review my conclusion."

Aqui tem uma fonte com o mesmo texto: https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5w5a8z/the_crowdsale_analyst_wetrust_lending_circles/
coisa fina o trabalho deles.
11898  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: [WAVES] Open-blockchain financial platform. Blockchain for the people. on: March 01, 2017, 04:03:50 AM
Peguei isso de um post da DASH (chamada de DARKCOIN na época).

Nossa, nem me lembre disso.
www.cryptsy.com roubou a maioria das minhas DRK.

E acho que 1 ano atrás vendi uma parte em 0.00800000 BTC. Depois comprei novamente em 0.01000000 BTC.

Shocked

Que maravilha. Pague esse preço e ontem vendi a 28 dólares. Que maravilha de lucro.

Pior que nunca apostei nada na DASH, agora eu vejo como fui burro, mas ai eu olho para o BTC que conheci quando valia menos de 1 dolar e choro mais ainda...

Noooossa, BTC a 1 dólar é pra chorar mesmo, kkkkkk

 Shocked




Se eu contar ainda que já perdi alguns arquivos wallet.dat com "alguns" BTC você chora mais ainda....

Já to quase chorando...

Por isso que eu falo, os primeiros bitcoins foram todos pro ralo, muita gente não acreditou na tecnologia e muita moeda foi perdida, por um lado isso ajuda o preço a ficar alto, afinal é como se tivesse muitos BTC guardados(para sempre Cheesy)
11899  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: CloudBleed: Mude a Sua Password on: March 01, 2017, 04:01:05 AM
Exchanges que foram afectadas:

  • Coinbase
  • Bitfinex
  • Kraken
  • Poloniex
  • Bittrex
  • C-cex

Só por deus mesmo ter que ficar entrando em cada uma e mudando o password.. e pelo que olhei agora no meu e-mail, nenhuma delas se preocupou em enviar nada falando sobre isso(talvez vão esperar dar alguma merda antes de tomar providencias, afinal se mandarem um e-mail agora, a midia pode fazer parecer que foram hackeados e/ou dizer que btc não é seguro)
11900  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Bitfortip Permite aos Utilizadores Ganharem Bitcoins por Responderem a Perguntas on: March 01, 2017, 03:54:34 AM
Esses dias eu procurei algo e cai nas perguntas/respostas do yahoo, e ai era algo de 1 decada atras, bateu o peso da idade Cheesy

Não imagino que dure muito, bem raro encontrar alguém pagando gorjetas, lá na aba gringa Services volta e meia aparece alguém procurando um determinado produto e dando tips para quem ajudar, bem raro.
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