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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 06:49:45 PM
Bcash is about to drop below $600 so glad im shorting this shitcoin.

People like pumptits that told everyone to buy at 2-3K are holding the bags now Grin Grin.


just look out for the negative trust ratings. so many here . go figure

Bcash going to FORK again because the code is back-doored or they are putting in a backdoor ?? ...fake bitcoin will soon sell off hard Wink weee


Come on people want answers
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 03:12:02 PM
Hi..
I read the news of bitcoin cash hard fork on May 15th, how true is it?

https://www.ccn.com/new-protocol-bitcoin-cash-to-hard-fork-in-may/

100% true you get shovel fed hardforks every 6 months

WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL BCASH CHAIN >>> NO HARD FORK >>> WE DONT WANT IT!!! :-D WEEEEEEEEEE

Jihan says they will run whatever he decides and they bend over and take it
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 02:47:16 PM
Hi..
I read the news of bitcoin cash hard fork on May 15th, how true is it?

https://www.ccn.com/new-protocol-bitcoin-cash-to-hard-fork-in-may/

100% true you get shovel fed hardforks every 6 months
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 02:46:25 PM
You shouldn't give financial advice. Or are you compansating ppl if things go wrong?

It's an opinion not trading advice
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 01:18:53 PM
^LOL tek the one and only saviour for segwet....if we BCH people were so bad ,this forum would be flooded with real people complaining,
instead we have yourself, and a couple regular newbie trolls that came along in past few months...and...thats it.
i think mindrust is the only legandry user that comes here to cry, and we all know how crazy old rusty is lol

I can quite easily post on my Twitter account asking people to stop in if that's what you want 😉


Are you saying all segwet users visit your twitter? wow

No just you seem to want more bitcoin users in here so if you want I could ask nicely to pay a visit

looking over the order books BCH could be going quite a bit lower soon there is a fair amount of sell orders around the 0.095 BTC mark but the buy book is looking rather thin all the way down to around 0.90 BTC so im expecting it to drop under 0.089 BTC today and continue its downtrend loosing more ground to BTC

126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 09:18:07 AM
^LOL tek the one and only saviour for segwet....if we BCH people were so bad ,this forum would be flooded with real people complaining,
instead we have yourself, and a couple regular newbie trolls that came along in past few months...and...thats it.
i think mindrust is the only legandry user that comes here to cry, and we all know how crazy old rusty is lol

I can quite easily post on my Twitter account asking people to stop in if that's what you want 😉

127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 08:50:24 AM
We are all in the same boat, I don't really understand why fight among eachother?
what's the porpuse? You are allowing System to win, because new people see this mass confusion everywhere.

It's soo simple really:

BTC = bircoin
BCH = bitcoin cash

whats the problem here? It's both cryptocurrency, SAME BOAT.
I wish it was that simple...

BTC= Bitcoin....this forked twice, BCH was forked to save the og bitcoin chain from segwet, segwet is the second fork.  

so...
BTC is og btc , slow ,expensive, 1mb
BCH is Bitcoin with 8mb ,soon to be 32mb but requires an update from the user...BCH uses og bitcoin tech and follows what Satoshi had done in the past, increased block size.
segwet,LN on og btc also requires an update from the user, but ln is not user ready yet...and could still fail.


Yes segwit does require a upgrade from the user IF they want to use it no user is forced to though it's 100% backwards compatible

BCH's planned obsolescence is just a bad idea forced on users by it's dictators

Tek...you obs agree with my comment...
can i just point out, using BCH isnt forced either.
What you call a bad idea, i call saving btc from permanent change, what if segwet,ln fails...then what?...thank god we have BCH.

And segwet fork was put through without miners consent, segwet used the node exploit to lie to users saying it was a soft fork,
the reason for the lie was to keep the name and ticker, segwet coin gets called btc.
but as tek agreed above, it requires an update from the user, making it a hard fork just like BCH
LN is new and untested for a long period of time on scale, it is a long way of and very risky for users funds currently.



A hard fork means everyone has to upgrade this is not what happened if it was a HF segwit usage would be at 100% but it's not because not everyone has upgraded but this is slowly increasing as more and more upgrade

BCH is run and controlled by the miners and you will run whatever gets released there is no I don't like this upgrade I'll wait it out you either upgrade or get kicked off

BCH is being run like a dictatorship

no one is forcing to buy bcash are they?

you don't likee, you selleee.

simples.


I sold a long time ago at a higher value than it is today

The only issue I have is the constant false information that gets spread you never hear me saying buy this or buy that I just post actual facts and let the users decide

128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 08:28:41 AM
We are all in the same boat, I don't really understand why fight among eachother?
what's the porpuse? You are allowing System to win, because new people see this mass confusion everywhere.

It's soo simple really:

BTC = bircoin
BCH = bitcoin cash

whats the problem here? It's both cryptocurrency, SAME BOAT.
I wish it was that simple...

BTC= Bitcoin....this forked twice, BCH was forked to save the og bitcoin chain from segwet, segwet is the second fork.  

so...
BTC is og btc , slow ,expensive, 1mb
BCH is Bitcoin with 8mb ,soon to be 32mb but requires an update from the user...BCH uses og bitcoin tech and follows what Satoshi had done in the past, increased block size.
segwet,LN on og btc also requires an update from the user, but ln is not user ready yet...and could still fail.


Yes segwit does require a upgrade from the user IF they want to use it no user is forced to though it's 100% backwards compatible

BCH's planned obsolescence is just a bad idea forced on users by it's dictators

Tek...you obs agree with my comment...
can i just point out, using BCH isnt forced either.
What you call a bad idea, i call saving btc from permanent change, what if segwet,ln fails...then what?...thank god we have BCH.

And segwet fork was put through without miners consent, segwet used the node exploit to lie to users saying it was a soft fork,
the reason for the lie was to keep the name and ticker, segwet coin gets called btc.
but as tek agreed above, it requires an update from the user, making it a hard fork just like BCH
LN is new and untested for a long period of time on scale, it is a long way of and very risky for users funds currently.



A hard fork means everyone has to upgrade this is not what happened if it was a HF segwit usage would be at 100% but it's not because not everyone has upgraded but this is slowly increasing as more and more upgrade

BCH is run and controlled by the miners and you will run whatever gets released there is no I don't like this upgrade I'll wait it out you either upgrade or get kicked off

BCH is being run like a dictatorship
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 08:01:19 AM
We are all in the same boat, I don't really understand why fight among eachother?
what's the porpuse? You are allowing System to win, because new people see this mass confusion everywhere.

It's soo simple really:

BTC = bircoin
BCH = bitcoin cash

whats the problem here? It's both cryptocurrency, SAME BOAT.
I wish it was that simple...

BTC= Bitcoin....this forked twice, BCH was forked to save the og bitcoin chain from segwet, segwet is the second fork.  

so...
BTC is og btc , slow ,expensive, 1mb
BCH is Bitcoin with 8mb ,soon to be 32mb but requires an update from the user...BCH uses og bitcoin tech and follows what Satoshi had done in the past, increased block size.
segwet,LN on og btc also requires an update from the user, but ln is not user ready yet...and could still fail.


Yes segwit does require a upgrade from the user IF they want to use it no user is forced to though it's 100% backwards compatible

BCH's planned obsolescence is just a bad idea forced on users by it's dictators
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 06, 2018, 07:43:34 AM
We are all in the same boat, I don't really understand why fight among eachother?
what's the porpuse? You are allowing System to win, because new people see this mass confusion everywhere.

It's soo simple really:

BTC = bircoin
BCH = bitcoin cash

whats the problem here? It's both cryptocurrency, SAME BOAT.

No problem with the intellectual the problem is that BCH goes around trying to educate "scam" newcomers into thinking Bitcoin BTC "upgraded" into Bitcoin BCH when in reality it just forked off into a minority chain

131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 05, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
It's called testing guess you wouldn't know what that is at least you get your run it and stfu HF on the 15th with your abc coin

You seem flustered, tek. You're sputtering. That's some grammatically unparseable word salad you posted there.

ABCcoin is forking on the 15th you have no choice but to run it the other "implementations" are forced to adopt any braindead changes that ABCcoin want to add now or in the future its understandable that peter rizun is a bit pissed off at the moment

If you don't like any changes that may get merged now or in the future then I guess it's tuff shit you have to either upgrade or be forced off the chain

But you won't have to worry about that because with the intention to make nodes as expensive as possible to run the ones with the money will make any braindead choices for you and you will just sit and rollover like the good lapdog you are

132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 05, 2018, 09:22:11 AM




So let's humor you and say the bottom one is correct this means both had to upgrade their clients and chose the current Bitcoin chain

The only fork is Bitcoin the bottom would have only been corrected if B2X was successful
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 05, 2018, 09:09:06 AM
Test of how user friendly LN might be


https://mobile.twitter.com/bitpico/status/980978688740163584?s=21


Beware, LN is beta toy on a 9 year testet experiment.

It's called testing guess you wouldn't know what that is at least you get your run it and stfu HF on the 15th with your abc coin

134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 04, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
https://twitter.com/acinq_co/status/981588999121850368?s=19

The first user friendly LN wallet is now available on mainnet and no you don't need to run a full node for this one

135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 04, 2018, 03:29:56 PM
txhighway is a nice website with live details of transaction, whoever created seems to be a legend in web designing

It was a clone of a Bitcoin visualiser just with modified files
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 04, 2018, 02:40:29 PM
Coinmarketcap is showing marketcap using a false economy of (coinsupply*value)=marketcap

that screen is showing how much each coin has fallen and what percentage it needs to regain its prior status

'How much each coin has fallen', as measured by...?

By current value thus is completely different to marketcap

Yes marketcap is using the same metric

Thanks. That's what I thought. Another exemplary employment of consistency.  Roll Eyes

And you cut the rest of the reply market cap assumes every asset/token/coin carries the same value which is false as many are lost and you have to presume that BCH has a lot more lost than BTC simply because every BTC lost is also lost under BCH plus any that was lost during the fork from people trying to split and failing to not even attempting and sending BCH to segwit addresses etc etc

For market cap to be anywhere close to a realistic value you need to subtract all lost assets

137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 04, 2018, 12:35:17 PM
Feeding destructors and trolls never can lead to success.

I wonder a bit why these trollmobs have energies left? Still fearing competition?

Get a live ...


BCH is a good target for trolls so build things up and be not derailed by others fear here.

 Shocked
 Wink

Good luck with that you need it BCH couldn't topple BTC when it was extremely slow and expensive during the massive bullrun when everyone was FOMOing now everything is back to normal levels and BTC is fast and cheap you expect that to change

Now is the time that BCH can prove itself it's cheaper than ever before almost as cheap as forkday so why aren't people flocking to buy it, why is is constantly loosing ground to BTC, why does it only have a tiny fraction of the transaction Percentage when it has just "involantry adopted" 1000s of new merchants after all BTC was holding the market back right but BCH has removed the restriction why isn't it now steamrolling forward

Please enlighten us all me

BCH has only been around for 6months or a bit more..during that time period it peaked at over $4k per coin a few month back. ($4k the soon to be og btc price)
old btc has the ticker and markets to all the alts, giving it a huge advantage over bch.
bch should have the btc ticker while segwitcoin should be called segwetcoin lol

BCH will be fine, its young, fresh and full of energy...give it some time to mature and you will see where it goes.
 its old segwet coin you should be worried about...what if ln fails? what if ln users start losing funds? what if miners decide to switch over to bch?

It's only been around for 6 months who are you kidding it forked  1st August and is 8 month old now but everyone got it there was already over 16m in circulation so no matter how young it is it didn't start as a baby it was born to the same adoption as BTC and is now accepted everywhere and got it's own trading pairs that are now being removed because nobody is using them

It was a valid and worthwhile project that failed very few technology wars have lasted longer than a year with the outcome usually set within the first few months and the rest if the time spent by the few remaining supporters trying to convince everyone why they are better before begrudgingly forfeiting and admitting defeat to great monetry loss

138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 04, 2018, 11:48:58 AM
Feeding destructors and trolls never can lead to success.

I wonder a bit why these trollmobs have energies left? Still fearing competition?

Get a live ...


BCH is a good target for trolls so build things up and be not derailed by others fear here.

 Shocked
 Wink

Good luck with that you need it BCH couldn't topple BTC when it was extremely slow and expensive during the massive bullrun when everyone was FOMOing now everything is back to normal levels and BTC is fast and cheap you expect that to change

Now is the time that BCH can prove itself it's cheaper than ever before almost as cheap as forkday so why aren't people flocking to buy it, why is is constantly loosing ground to BTC, why does it only have a tiny fraction of the transaction Percentage when it has just "involantry adopted" 1000s of new merchants after all BTC was holding the market back right but BCH has removed the restriction why isn't it now steamrolling forward

Please enlighten us all
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BCash - 1:1 Airdrop for Bitcoin holders - Pro on-chain scamming on: April 04, 2018, 11:18:18 AM
I can see a BCH split sometime this year with the amount of disagreements going off though

Hmm. So are you saying that BCH:
1) is tightly controlled by a centralized cabal; or
2) splintering in fractious discord?

It can't be both. Pick a narrative and stick with it, willya?

1- Both Bcash has a following of gullible people that believe everything that some claim like CSW, Ver etc because they don't have the technical knowledge to know any different so "trust" in someone that appears very smart

2- But as more changes are happening there is more friction being created as the changes are being forced through a HF with a either upgrade or f##k off approach and the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel by eather forking off again or going back to BTC


3- While BTC is using a much safer SF method where if you agree with changes you can upgrade without issues and if you do not agree and don't upgrade you won't be forced off the network and everything will run just as before



1- Bitcoin cash is not followed by gullible people, its followed by people that want bitcoin to be bitcoin, not a 2nd layer controlled by blockstream...a company..for profit.
   OG btc was hijacked, using node exploit they stole the Bitcoin name and brand by segwetters, the thing is they call themselves btc Maximilists but always refer to using ltc as a payment method...hmmm
   maybe they are really litecoiners that hijacked btc.

2- segwet is a HF.
Everything you said at point 2 is your answer for Bitcoin cash being here today....we were not happy with the HF on og btc,
"so the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel(blockstream) by either forking off again or going back to BTC "via BCH.  

3- btc is not using a safer SF , stop lying...it is a HF
    If you dont update everything runs  like before ,slow and expensive.if you want cheaper and faster tx on btc segwet you have to
    update and more.


1. Blockstream did not invent lightning and do not control the protocol layer

Blockstream does not have any commit access to any full node/wallet repos not even the core one all they can do is submit a BIP with supporting code and hope it gets enough interest to be accepted

2. No segwit is a SF you can use any earlier client even one from a few years ago without segwit and it will still stay on the BTC chain

Hell you could even fork off the latest core client and remove all segwit and it would still follow the BTC chain but why go to that extreme when you can simply turn off segwit in the config file under 0.16.0 thus option was not available under 0.15.x because segwit was not the default format and you had to OPT IN

Or use knots that does not use segwit by default yet and remains in consensus with the BTC chain

3. And again you don't have to upgrade yes it costs more on legacy due to having a lower WU but that's a user option not a forced option


1 core worked alongside blockstream....bitcoin core aka blockstreams bitch

2- its a HF

3- yes you do need to update because who the hell likes slow and expensive tx?? 

Blockstream just submits code the same as me and you could
Segwit was originally going to be a HF but was later found a way to make it a SF that legacy non upgraded nodes just ignore

No one like slow and expensive transactions but that's not forcing you to upgrade

I didn't upgrade to segwit for 2 or 3 month but didn't get kicked off during that time and if you have a balance that you do not trade or spend from then you are better off keeping it in a legacy address that way you can very easily claim the many forks that show up using the few non upgraded wallets that they get to support them

140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BCash - 1:1 Airdrop for Bitcoin holders - Pro on-chain scamming on: April 04, 2018, 10:56:58 AM
I can see a BCH split sometime this year with the amount of disagreements going off though

Hmm. So are you saying that BCH:
1) is tightly controlled by a centralized cabal; or
2) splintering in fractious discord?

It can't be both. Pick a narrative and stick with it, willya?

1- Both Bcash has a following of gullible people that believe everything that some claim like CSW, Ver etc because they don't have the technical knowledge to know any different so "trust" in someone that appears very smart

2- But as more changes are happening there is more friction being created as the changes are being forced through a HF with a either upgrade or f##k off approach and the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel by eather forking off again or going back to BTC


3- While BTC is using a much safer SF method where if you agree with changes you can upgrade without issues and if you do not agree and don't upgrade you won't be forced off the network and everything will run just as before



1- Bitcoin cash is not followed by gullible people, its followed by people that want bitcoin to be bitcoin, not a 2nd layer controlled by blockstream...a company..for profit.
   OG btc was hijacked, using node exploit they stole the Bitcoin name and brand by segwetters, the thing is they call themselves btc Maximilists but always refer to using ltc as a payment method...hmmm
   maybe they are really litecoiners that hijacked btc.

2- segwet is a HF.
Everything you said at point 2 is your answer for Bitcoin cash being here today....we were not happy with the HF on og btc,
"so the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel(blockstream) by either forking off again or going back to BTC "via BCH.  

3- btc is not using a safer SF , stop lying...it is a HF
    If you dont update everything runs  like before ,slow and expensive.if you want cheaper and faster tx on btc segwet you have to
    update and more.


1. Blockstream did not invent lightning and do not control the protocol layer

Blockstream does not have any commit access to any full node/wallet repos not even the core one all they can do is submit a BIP with supporting code and hope it gets enough interest to be accepted

2. No segwit is a SF you can use any earlier client even one from a few years ago without segwit and it will still stay on the BTC chain

Hell you could even fork off the latest core client and remove all segwit and it would still follow the BTC chain but why go to that extreme when you can simply turn off segwit in the config file under 0.16.0 thus option was not available under 0.15.x because segwit was not the default format and you had to OPT IN

Or use knots that does not use segwit by default yet and remains in consensus with the BTC chain

3. And again you don't have to upgrade yes it costs more on legacy due to having a lower WU but that's a user option not a forced option

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