I deal with an investor group that makes loans like this. Normally when they are looking to make a high loan risk like this, they are looking for an return of about $ .35 on the dollar (or) .35 BTC on the BTC. The issue is that you have to convince the investors that there is a way you will make money and how you are going to do this. Again, there are not to many lenders on this site that will make that loan, but there are a few. Might I suggest that you put together a small business plan in order for the investors to see what they may invest in. Good luck with all you do.
Hi. I have a business plan in Dutch and English as well as specific investor propositions. I even have the entire thread ready to go for the thing I described in the original post, a 14 page investment proposition with 10k shares and 13k return. Is it allowed to sell equity on this forum? I am not sure this is the place you are to advertise this on this forum, but go ahead and send over some information over to me through PM and I will review it. If I like what I see, I will get a non-disclosure set up and we can talk business. I hope you have something interesting!! I PM`d you. |
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I want a partner, not a loan.
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I deal with an investor group that makes loans like this. Normally when they are looking to make a high loan risk like this, they are looking for an return of about $ .35 on the dollar (or) .35 BTC on the BTC. The issue is that you have to convince the investors that there is a way you will make money and how you are going to do this. Again, there are not to many lenders on this site that will make that loan, but there are a few. Might I suggest that you put together a small business plan in order for the investors to see what they may invest in. Good luck with all you do.
Hi. I have a business plan in Dutch and English as well as specific investor propositions. I even have the entire thread ready to go for the thing I described in the original post, a 14 page investment proposition with 10k shares and 13k return. Is it allowed to sell equity on this forum? |
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You would be extremely silly to take a 2 year bitcoin loan if you were in fact planning to pay it back.
Who knows what the price of btc will be then, you could end up owning hundreds of thousands of dollars worth, remember Dank he took a 52btc loan worth about $2000 at the time i think then the price shot up and he ended up owing around $52,000, not that he paid it but he did post pics of the new car and bike he purchased with the scammed bitcoin.
This should also be in the long term loan section.
I would not pay back the ammount in BTC. The initial ammount in fiat value is returned at the BTC value of that time. I wish there was a way to partner up with people instead of a loan. With ammount X, I will make guitars and sell them, share the profits according to the equity. I want to fail or succeed together instead of 1 person standing above another. I have 10 years luthery experience, a rare and valuable skill. People that bet on me win because I will build guitars for the rest of my life, like I always did. I did it in a tiny room so it can only go better in a larger space with better tooling. |
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You said you don't want to use the word loan. Does that mean you are asking for some kinda partnership?
If yes, what are you yourself willing to pay the investors who will invest in this project?
Will you display all the details here that how much will be possible returns? And if you don't gain as expected, what will you do to payback your investors?
There could be some equity as a thank you at the end. I`m not sure what would be the solution if there are delays in the project. The only thing i can think of right now if the guitars don`t sell, is sending those guitars to the investors which then become their property until the value of their investment is repaid (dealer price , they dont pay full retail), but I don`t wish the dump a burdon of sales onto them. I`m not paying investors for a partnership, I am providing an opportunity, this market is big (acoustic guitars USA 2015 700M), and the barrier to entry is in composite instruments is huge. We all fall or win together. There could be a contract where IP is partially signed over to investors if the project fails, that includes the IP of this gutiar model as well as the proprietary production system that can be used for guitars and basses. The thing is that the system much more valuable with me, the inventor in the mix. You could sell it to a large guitar company but they would need to know how to implement it. Even if people invest i can not simply show the proprietary production system, that is all NDA basis if it`s absolutely needed for them to see it. This system allows for a production of 10 units per month per employee. A wooden acoustic guitar builder with comparable quality does about 12 units per year for comparison. I`m not gonna sign this IP over just like that, this is my life, this guitar model has 3 years R&D and many sacrifices. With 100k, i could guarantee the production of 100 units, but i will not pretend i can guarantee sales. I believe these units would have the quality of a 3000 Euro guitar, and Dutch Luthier would sell them for 2200. These 100 units can be built in 1 year, then the sales process begins. This is why i want smart money, advice on building an international distribution network as well as online direct to consumer sales. These 100 units would bring in 220k, so the structure is sound, as I said year 2 would be to sell these units. For now i`m just trying to hear from you guys what an acceptable gain would be, I am still finalising 8 units right now. Many guitar players (including double grammy winner Mark Lettieri from Snarky Puppy) tested 3 units of the Hybrid 1.0 guitar model, their feedback has been incoorporated into Hybrid 2.0, I am now making 8 units of the new generation. Only when that is done would this deal come into play to minimise risk for investors, all the R&D is then complete and the model is then production ready. I`ll give some more thought to collateral and failsafe scenario`s. Mark Lettieri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwtUJfN9SaE |
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So you need Investors and not lenders? Because if you are looking for a loan, that high, you have to know that you need a bigger collateral. But i think you know that, right?  I don`t like the word loan. I want people who see the potential and are not afraid to put some work in as well, like marketing. So smart money investors. They could get a bonus of 100 Euro every time they sell one of the guitars. A loan guy just wants his money back, I am not presenting any get rich quick schemes or bubbles, I am offering an opportunity to affiliate with Dutch Luthier. The ones participating in this get the dealer licence as mentioned and will be the first to get offered equity if that comes on the table in the future. |
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Hmm, i thought about 130% back after 2 years (30% profit). There would also be other advantages, like the ability to buy for a dealer price for life (starts after the investment project is concluded). A 2200 Euro guitar would be 1700 for a dealer and can be resold. It`s about my brand Dutch Luthier and a guitar called the Hybrid (3 years R&D and 30k spent). I need this 100k to get a largers space to fold out a proprietary production system. https://www.instagram.com/dutchluthier/Btw 2 years would be the last payment of the last investor, every time 1 guitar made from the investment is sold 50 cent per euro profit goes to investors imidiatly. There would be a vote if the first investor gets all profit from guitar 1, and the second investor gets the money from the second guitar sold OR everybody gets paid equally on every guitar sale. So the ROI payments start sooner then 2 years in both scenarios. |
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Hello.
I`m looking to raise 100k Euro and build 100 carbon / wooden acoustic guitars with it.
I made an investment proposition with 10 full shares of 10000 Euro (smallest available would be 1/4 share). Investing could be done with Euro bank transfer or BTC.
What % of gain is acceptable with a 2 year project from an investors point of view?
Are there industry norms?
Koen.
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I thought people got them reported!?!, they reply to me they dont take my case, what is this bullshit./..  |
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People not investing as you would probably get board after 6 months and sell it to the highest bidder (ultracoin). No thanks you already made broken promises.
I didnt get bored,leaving a coin unattended is irresponsible so i put management on it becasue i had to focus on an aero space grade, guitar crowdfunding campaign. They later aquired Ultracoin, and a legal dispute was settle out of court.... So what may appear as boredom actually has actual events behind it, as wel as logic and business decisions made with information available on that time. But dont worry, i am moving on and Experience is on its way. Venture capital is now showing interest, when actual VC is on board i will do a new EXP1 IPO with an actual team of devs, gameplay footage, demo, hardware integration etc. Project Experience is not simply canceled because a coin IPO failed, an entrepeneur keeps fighting. http://experience.freeforums.org/features-t9.html |
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Don't believe a word bumface says, I have delt with him before, he is not a scammer, but he is also not accurate!
lol, i could hit a mosquito in the eyeball at 1500 yards if i had a twigg, a roll of painters tape and purlpe dye, how is that not accurate? |
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Whats the purity % of this hopium?
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i dont have the energy to persui them, if i could somehow bridge the trust issue, i would offer 25% if somebody would take it on, but no way for me to stop the claimer from taking everything and disapearing...
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give me my money back, 5450 gbp
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what a fiasco, not a single exp1 sold, no budget for Experience, while i see scamcoins get alot of attention. If you buy scamcoin IPO`s ,you are partly responsible for the scamcoin environment by supporting those projects instead of a project like this, with an actual roadmap and VR is the way society is heading naturally. Scammers have free reign because people keep buying it... I am very diapointed people were unable to distinguish between this massive venture and scamcoins, and in fact support the scamcoins just because they promise nice things and have a fancy op. I will look for alternate funding and i have started to develop the worlds first adaptive VR controller that moves into your hand and arrives perfectly timed when you grab an in game tool. This controller will bridge the gap between opan hand capture and controllers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQ4L7jc7Gwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpbsszML6DgI really hoped i could build experience from the IPO of exp1 and include the crypto community in this wonderfull venture, and provide many advantages which would become very valuable... sad  |
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still a clusterfuck i see
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9 days, 0 EXP1 sold, whats the problem here guys?
You have to ask, really? Altcoin IPOs/Crowdfunding are dead. The fact that you haven't sold any just proves that the IPOs that do sell are all bought by the coin devs. At least you haven't done that. I guess your not one of them scammers. I can say I would mine a coin you make, but do it: no IPO, no Premine, no Instamine etc... fair. Then again, there are so many coins that one could just choose an existing one to mine. So whats the point really? If you don't already have a viable product that brings something new to crypto, then don't waste your time. Seems like the scam coin days are over. Only scammers and their sock puppets will say otherwise. The whole point of EXP1 is to fund Experience, there has to be a premine  INvestore get a chance of a lifetime here, if i can build ths thing and you still have your EXP1 by the time the beta is released, you will have awesome gains. I understand that the IPO model is dead, but this is completely different, this coin is not the end goal its the first step in a giant venture and future. I really hoped people would recognise the future of virtual reality since its gonna change the entire world in the next 10 years...... I`m not making a single cent profit on this ICO and im gonna disclose how every cent was spent, at least i would have if some was actually sold  |
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9 days, 0 EXP1 sold, whats the problem here guys?
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