It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.
I understand what you are saying and it may be true for some and may be not, but you don't really know that because you haven't been able to measure it. Would it be possible for you to just realize that is his personality and you know....brush it off? |
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I plan on bringing another 310th here by end of February/beginning of March. (Moving my data center 700 miles away). If all goes well another 700th come April/May. If the block finding frequency continues to diminish and the ramp time doesn’t change, then I may sadly have to point to one of the pools I despise.
That's a significant amount of hash. It would be great to add that to the pool as it MAY help the block frequency. As a suggestion to your ramp ultimatum, maybe it would be worth considering a lower ramp for USERS who have been here, sort of like a grandfathering in, instead of a blanket ramp reduction. Just a thought, nothing more......however, if you're so willing to move your hash because of a streak of bad luck, you're pretty much fulfilling the exact scenario that is trying to be avoided with the ramp. |
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Your abrasive tone does nothing but harm this pool you realize that right?
What? Why? Remarks like this are what makes others question you. If the incentive is money, why would anyone care what someone says in a forum? Get yourself together, let's get real here. There are no "safe spaces". One can easily mine with Kano without having to hang out in the forums and get offended. |
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Guys...not a noob here....my point is, pointed 50 terahashes at the pool when it was at 52ph, it is now in the mid 40s. Anyone with substantial hash has generators for backup as do I. The two week ramp up on major hash is killer as it takes away 25% of your earnings for the first month you mine. If one was to pull out of Kano they’d still get hash, I know that. It’s been that way for years. But what didn’t occur in years was only 1 block solve in half a months time. When you are not seeing the increase in hashrate and seeing an increase in round time, the only logical conclusion is to shorten ramp up/ramp down time. This does not incentivize anyone to point new hash here.
But you're here. What incentivized you? I had no incentives other than a recommendation and my own research into the pool. I don't see the point in incentivizing someone more than the small pool fee and community willing to help and answer questions. The amount of complaining is somewhat turning me off from the forum, but not the pool. If you want to incentivize people, quit discouraging them. I'm not saying you specifically, but there are others. If all the posts are bitchy twats complaining about the blocks, then nobody is going to want to mine here. That's my take, though I've been wrong before. What incentivized me? I personally have had Kano’s help in the past with my pool when it came to malicious miners and I am forever grateful for that. Of all the pool owners he seems to be the most honest/trustworthy and genuinely cares about the overall health of the network. I can not stand merge mining/high fees or the withholding of transaction fees to its miners. That brought me here. Not one complaint about luck/blocks etc just this ramp up ramp down is absurdly long. For the record, I wasn't referring to you as a bitchy twat. I know your post was about the ramp, I was speaking in terms of those random bitchy twats complaining about the luck/blocks  Just for the sake of conversation though, how much more hashrate are you comfortable with joining the pool? Also, if it's value others are seeking, I think you touched on some good points with what incentivizes you to mine here, no? Not everyone looks for value, I can understand that, but that's how markets works. Sooner or later people will either get fed up and search for alternatives for whatever reasons those may be. Maybe finding the sweet spot on that ramp multiplier is the ticket.....maybe not. We don't know what incentivizes the top miners in this pool either. It may even be the simplicity......or the fact that the pool isn't so large. To say that your ideas were "shot down" isn't much of a statement. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but ideas don't have much weight behind them unless they have a detailed plan to execute or some hardcore data behind it. “Things are not always what they seem....." |
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...nobody is going to want to mine here...
...except probably DPoS2...
Haha! It works everywhere. WWDPoS2D? What would DPoS2 do? |
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Guys...not a noob here....my point is, pointed 50 terahashes at the pool when it was at 52ph, it is now in the mid 40s. Anyone with substantial hash has generators for backup as do I. The two week ramp up on major hash is killer as it takes away 25% of your earnings for the first month you mine. If one was to pull out of Kano they’d still get hash, I know that. It’s been that way for years. But what didn’t occur in years was only 1 block solve in half a months time. When you are not seeing the increase in hashrate and seeing an increase in round time, the only logical conclusion is to shorten ramp up/ramp down time. This does not incentivize anyone to point new hash here.
But you're here. What incentivized you? I had no incentives other than a recommendation and my own research into the pool. I don't see the point in incentivizing someone more than the small pool fee and community willing to help and answer questions. The amount of complaining is somewhat turning me off from the forum, but not the pool. If you want to incentivize people, quit discouraging them. I'm not saying you specifically, but there are others. If all the posts are bitchy twats complaining about the blocks, then nobody is going to want to mine here. That's my take, though I've been wrong before. |
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To all the newbies on here, I am one myself. I had all the same questions or concerns, but I will say I am here to stay for reasons beyond the obvious stated.
The ramp up: This concerned me because it felt "unfair" that my equipment wasn't getting the recognition.....until I understood how it worked AND why. I am no longer concerned.
Luck: This concept wasn't that hard to grasp once I realized that is indeed all that is factored into finding a block. Nobody bitches about not winning the lottery off their one or 10 tickets they bought (except probably DPoS2) when there are lottery pools with thousands of tickets.
If you want to "win" more, then join a large pool, if you want to increase your chances of "winning", but like bigger payouts, join a pool that averages your probability to suit your desires.
More terahash doesn't equal that many more blocks, just that many more lottery tickets. To complain about the cost of lottery tickets vs how many lottery tickets it takes for you to win is not the concern of the pool. I hear a lot of complaining about the cost of electricity and how it's not profitable to mine in this pool. It's not going to be profitable to mine any pool that consistently gets 600% bad luck blocks. That being said, there is no way that I know of to increase or decrease LUCK. You can only increase your probability by adding more terahash (buying more tickets). Other than that it is LUCK!
noun: luck
1.
success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
"it was just luck that the first kick went in"
synonyms: success, prosperity, good fortune, good luck
"I wish you luck"
antonyms: failure, misfortune
chance considered as a force that causes good or bad things to happen.
"luck was with me"
synonyms: fortune, fate, destiny, Lady Luck, lot, the stars, karma, kismet; More
fortuity, serendipity;
chance, accident, a twist of fate
"it is a matter of luck whether it hits or misses"
something regarded as bringing about or portending good or bad things.
"I don't like Friday—it's bad luck"
synonyms: good fortune, good luck; More
a fluke, a stroke of luck;
informala lucky break
"with luck you'll make it"
antonyms: bad luck, misfortune
verb informal
verb: luck; 3rd person present: lucks; past tense: lucked; past participle: lucked; gerund or present participle: lucking
1.
chance to find or acquire.
"he lucked into a disc-jockey job"
North American
achieve success or advantage by good luck.
"I lucked out and found a wonderful woman"
The pool size: When I started in December, the pool size was around 25PHs and has been going up. There have been instances of VERY good luck where we hit 4 blocks in 2 days!! I was happy.....though my miners were not fully ramped up as I was adding more. I wish I could have had my full hash rate, but I understand the ramp up and reducing variance. There are people here who have been mining for a long time and it is kind of bullshit for someone to pop in for a couple days and reep the rewards off terahash that was not theirs, but as a collective and putting in your commitment, you actually JOIN the pool instead of visit it.
If it weren't for the ramp up, there is a chance that I would have been bouncing around to different pools. I was encouraged to check out Kano's pool from a friend in AUS as I'm in the US. I am more than pleased with the responses from Kano and the support from "members". I'm here to stay and ride out the bad luck while celebrating the good luck. I'm also not trying to pay my bills with mining, I would like to pay for the equipment someday, in increments and put away bits of coin until this shit becomes more mainstream. Kind of like how everyone wishes they did from the beginning, well guess what, I still feel that this is the beginning and there is a long way to go.
I'm in for the future and I'm in for Kano. Thanks for the support from everyone and to the newbies, please take whatever approach to mining that better suits your needs so long as you actually understand what those are.
MINE ON!!!
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[Top Posting for effect] What they are leaving out is how small the pool got in the last few months.. which really screws up balance. One day of a big pool = 2 or 3 months here. That wasn't the case until recently... So one bad day at a big pool means come back in 3 to 4 days to see if it evens out.. but here, you have to come back about 9 months from now just to see if the 'luck works out' for a similar dataset If you don't think that means anything, then I guess you think every 38 spins of a roulette wheel will always pick all the numbers once. That is the mentality here that 'luck evens out' even with a tiny pool. yup.... Since I'm new to Kano, I wanted to find out what the average bitcoin payout has been over the last month or so. I'm trying out Kano based on all the reviews, however I'm used to somewhat instantaneous results with other pools showing their payout rates and paying out every few days. I understand the premise of Kano being smaller but with bigger rewards per miner, but I'm curious what the historical payout rate has been.
Sounds like your used to PPS, Pay Per Share, Pools. This pool is PPLNS, that is a major difference so you'll need to study on that. PPS has a flat rate regardless of luck. PPLNS is luck based. So if the pool has really good luck you can get paid allot more, the flip side, of course, if luck is bad then you can get paid less. Over long periods of time you'll be allot better off here. PPS pools have a habit of going broke due to bad luck and leaving people unpaid when that happens. That won't happen here. Do you actually mine in KanoPool? You seem to spend enough time in here reading and talking down on it, I'm wondering what your intentions are by poking your head in to only deter people from mining here. |
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Currently looking to sell some of my S9's (also have 1 brand new). Please PM me only for details (do not reply here). Wanted to give Kano members the option first.
pm sent |
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KANO NOOB GUIDE:- Your miner needs to ramp up to get full proportion of shares when a block is found.
- Time to ramp up is at: https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout. Ramp time depends on overall pool hashrate. For 50PH/s pool rate, it takes around 14 days to ramp up fully.
- You only get paid if a block is found.
- Blocks are typically found when the shares are around 100% or less. Total shares are on homepage in top left corner. Anything over 500% is unpaid.
- It is possible to get really bad luck, and then you will get paid very little. It is also possible to have a run of good luck, and then get paid proportionately more. Overall it is supposed to balance out.
- This type of mining in a small pool takes patience and faith in lady luck.
Mine On. Now if there was a way to pin that to the top of every page.  |
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Hello
I have had my S9 pointed at the 333 stratum for 14 days and have not recieved a payout.
Under workers it shows I have shares and share/hash rate.
Does it normally take this long on a payout or am I doing something wrong?
Help on this would be much appreciated. Thanks!
No blocks = no rewards |
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Can someone tell me what the advantage of the Antminer V9, 4TH/s is?
Looking at the specs,
Antminer V9, 4TH/s 253mJ/MH+10%
Antminer S9, 13.5TH/s 0.098 J/GH +10%
Can someone standardize those specs for me?
The V9 is basically a re-branded S7. Unless you have free power, you should avoid it. The V9's efficiency is 0.257 J/GH +10%, not even in the same ballpark as the S9 with 0.098 J/GH +10%. Notice how they went with a different set of units so you couldn't do a direct comparison? To be fair, the V9 isn't supposed to compare with an S9. If you're talking all out efficiency, the S9 takes the cake.....and is priced accordingly at almost 8x the initial cost. ROI should also be taken into account, not just power consumption. The cost of electricity for different areas as well and may not be as big of a factor for some, if any at all (solar). Also, don't rule out the reward price in BTC at market value. My main point is that we all mine at different levels with different factors involved so it's really hard to pinpoint what would/would not work for someone's situation without a better picture of what they were comparing or trying to achieve. If you were to compare To be fair, I was just answering @Tnaa97 request to standardize those specs. To be fair, it was a general statement, not necessarily in response to your comment. I was just responding in a chain, not specific to your quote. We are in agreement on apples to oranges comparison |
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Can someone tell me what the advantage of the Antminer V9, 4TH/s is?
Looking at the specs,
Antminer V9, 4TH/s 253mJ/MH+10%
Antminer S9, 13.5TH/s 0.098 J/GH +10%
Can someone standardize those specs for me?
The V9 is basically a re-branded S7. Unless you have free power, you should avoid it. The V9's efficiency is 0.257 J/GH +10%, not even in the same ballpark as the S9 with 0.098 J/GH +10%. Notice how they went with a different set of units so you couldn't do a direct comparison? To be fair, the V9 isn't supposed to compare with an S9. If you're talking all out efficiency, the S9 takes the cake.....and is priced accordingly at almost 8x the initial cost. ROI should also be taken into account, not just power consumption. The cost of electricity for different areas as well and may not be as big of a factor for some, if any at all (solar). Also, don't rule out the reward price in BTC at market value. My main point is that we all mine at different levels with different factors involved so it's really hard to pinpoint what would/would not work for someone's situation without a better picture of what they were comparing or trying to achieve. If you were to compare |
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So here is what is happening now...
Checked the wiring for fans and it was all ok
Rebooted machine setting back to my backup (which undid the fan speed) or at least set it to 80 should it be at 100?
Temps were in 70's and mining at 13.5 for about 5 minutes...
then mining went dead...not mining anything and still fans revving up and down...
show fan 3 at 5,040 and nothing on any of the others...but both fans are running..
I wish I could figure out how to upload the screen shot on here...
Should I try a firmware upgrade? If so which file for the upgrade...
Machine is an S9 13.5T Serial #YDFT14PAGAJAJ7149 running kernel version 16.8.1.3
Thanks for the help? One comment was to replace the controller board, which I dont have..
Thank
GH
I have some used S7's that are getting hot and shutting down. I've cleaned them out and upgraded the fans and they run longer, but eventually lose one of the boards. I have to turn down the chip frequency from 700 to 693 and set the fans to 90% minimum and have had no problems. It is hashing at 4.63 ths instead of 4.73 but I have not errors. This at least saved me from losing a board over and over. Also, when this happens, my fans would go up and down as you mentioned. I'm not sure if it's the same issue as you, but you may have to play with the frequency and fan setting, but I would make a change and monitor then make another instead of changing several things at once. Just my thoughts, I hope you figure it out. |
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Help with fan speed on Antminer S9
I have 4 S9's that run smooth and you hardly ever hear the fans on any of them speed up or slow down.. (some with auot freq, some without)
I have another used S9 miner I am installing, everything is great, except the fan speeds up and slows down every 15 to 20 seconds, slow, fast, slow, fast..
Any thoughts or ideas on why this is happening and what I can do?
There was a post on bitcoin forum about editing the fan speed thru HTML and I tried that...set the fan speed to 70% (according to the kernel) and it is still doing it...
Really, really annoying... There has to be a workaround somehow... How can some do it and some not?
Looking for any thoughts or ideas that might help...
Thank You!
Mine On Dude!!
What is the hash rate doing? What about the temps? |
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Sure seems to be concerted effort in some mainstream media to disparage BTC...interesting... C'mon, blocks...gotta pay my hosting bill on the Ice Planet...  Credit Cards denying purchases of the coins themselves Prices rising on miners/cards Prices falling rising on coins themselves over the last 2 days. Gotta HODL on and keep mining away. FTFY That's two days...gotta see a longer trend. I'm comparing those to the miner prices which haven't necessarily dropped in step with the coins. Otherwise you're exactly right. I've noticed an increase in trying to trash Bitcoin while trying to promote another coins. Funny how they seem to think Bitcoin is such a failure, yet these other coins or the blockchain is supposedly the "key". There is definitely an attempt to smear Bitcoin and I have no doubt that reason is because it the best chance of surviving the storms, especially the collapse of fiat currency. If the government can't regulate or stop Bitcoin, what means would they go about acquiring it? How plausible would it be for the FEDS to buy up Bitcoin as a quantitative easing asset? They'd take over what they don't own already of Ripple first. I know it's altcoin talk but that's where they'd go first. And now Bitcoin has dropped almost 1000 points. I feel like they would (probably happening already) promote Ripple, but they know it's a company and can't be a threat to fiat currency. I think the unstoppable force would be the bigger threat and they would have to find a way to manipulate instead of trying to kill it. |
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Sure seems to be concerted effort in some mainstream media to disparage BTC...interesting... C'mon, blocks...gotta pay my hosting bill on the Ice Planet... Credit Cards denying purchases of the coins themselves Prices rising on miners/cards Prices falling rising on coins themselves over the last 2 days. Gotta HODL on and keep mining away. FTFY That's two days...gotta see a longer trend. I'm comparing those to the miner prices which haven't necessarily dropped in step with the coins. Otherwise you're exactly right. I've noticed an increase in trying to trash Bitcoin while trying to promote another coins. Funny how they seem to think Bitcoin is such a failure, yet these other coins or the blockchain is supposedly the "key". There is definitely an attempt to smear Bitcoin and I have no doubt that reason is because it the best chance of surviving the storms, especially the collapse of fiat currency. If the government can't regulate or stop Bitcoin, what means would they go about acquiring it? How plausible would it be for the FEDS to buy up Bitcoin as a quantitative easing asset? |
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