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121  Economy / Economics / Re: USA is now number 2 on: December 12, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
I am surprised that no on is pointing out the glaringly obvious issue of this being a PPP measure, not a nominal Smiley

The fact that you can buy a whole grocery's worth for 5 dollars doesn't exactly measure your 'great' economic power - it does mean your currency is severely devalued Tongue

Not that you can float your currency to inflate your gdp - economy and gdp doesn't work that way.

So, I wonder who is living in denial hm? Cheesy


Let us know if chinese gdp gets near 3/4 of US gdp. From last I saw their gdp growth is slowing down while US growth has no where to go but up, with US being around 17-18 trillion and chinese between 9-10 trillion.

122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: BTER.com Scam. Is BTER safe? Is BTER a scam. Hello google! on: December 12, 2014, 06:44:53 PM
A scam-ridden coin taking down an exchange?

Mintpal v2?

123  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are most people just ignorant or is it just old people? on: December 12, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
You can't keep crowing about 'other people' being 'ignorant' before you are spitting lying down.

124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: >>> Best ASSETS to invest in ~~2015~~!!! on: December 12, 2014, 06:26:52 PM
What do you think about NobleNXT (NOXT)?

ANN here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

I am vocal about it since it is one of the more promising projects if you see the developer (public one at that since January 2014). It is listed on coinmarkets asset list.
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin on: December 12, 2014, 06:14:18 PM
So now I know how to burn my noble, how and when will I get my noxt ?

Also, is noxt market cap really locked to 150k $ Huh I would'nt believe it.

Good to see you got in answered in Nobl thread Smiley

126  Economy / Economics / Re: USA is now number 2 on: December 12, 2014, 05:55:29 PM
Sounds the US is the evil empire.  How about the rescuing the world from Hitler, rebuilding Europe and Japan after wars.  The resurgence of German and Japan economic superpowers contradict the point of American capitalistic self interest.  Surely, while American capitalism and a market economy has had negative side effects, the overwhelming global societal and economic benefits are tremendous, from electricity, to the automobile, airplane, computers, telecommunications, and the internet.

Majority of credit for the advances you have listed does indeed go to US and American people - something that is an objective fact, while many try to scrounge up excuses and 'plausible alternative' chiefly motivated by nationalistic sagging pride.

'nnoooo internet was british - no the packet switch technology was developed in US by an American engineer' etc etc

US for its part have done much better than any other such power in history in terms of restraint and supporting global stability. Geopolitics is not an exercise in 'ideals' with nationalistic and ethnic ulterior motives.

Seriously, spending 1 billion + dollars just to drop warning leaflets to civillians so they can leave the firezone during a war? Lifting the entire resources of the 7th fleet to assist during the tsunami in japan? 2004 hurricane assistance to SE nations that initially rejected help out of national pride than came crying back for help because they couldn't save all the disaster affected areas?

What about the financial assistance to western europe, and to indirect effect, japan and korea (although they choose to deny it with every breath, it is indisputable that areas that were under American protection enjoyed direct and indirect benefits including political, economic, and diplomatic efforts of the United States)?

There is a reason why some of the older ww2 generations are, by ignorant modern and spoiled generation standards, seemingly ridiculously pro-American despite all its faults. Americans came through, fought for their land as if it was their own, and *gasp* left. Just left, with out taking any territory or annexing half the country as would have been the norm otherwise.


Yes, American does exert influence and power beyond its borders. That is the nature of geopolitics, and human nature demands that a stabilizing force is present in one form or another.

Remember, America was initially an isolationist nation. 'No foreign entanglement or alliances' as was said by George Washington. As strange as such ideas sound today, the fundamental idea of non-interference to the extent possible is actually one of core American ideas.

However, world is not so kind as to leave you be simply because you do so. This simple but bloody fact was deeply realized by Americans as they watched ww1 and ww2 unfold, and world became smaller and smaller due to advances in technology and transportation.

There was only one path America could realistically take. Same as any who believe in protecting their national sovereignty and integrity in a situation where enemies are running amok in front of their very door step: Kill before being killed.

That's the reality of geopolitics. Thanks to its will, resources, and ability to use them, United States became capable of exerting such power to the extent where it could enjoy the luxury, yes, luxury of not only protecting it self through blood, but also assist in establishing stability and relative peace through many places across the world, and especially those who allied themselves with United States.

Can you do any better? You, whose nation can't even get along with their island neighbors with out having a pissing contest over a bunch of rocks over south pacific and inciting childish nationalistic and racially motivated riots that burn down 'japanese' factories and shops chiefly run by fellow chinese?

Or you who have outright invaded and is currently conducting outright ethnic and cultural extermination of its natives that would make stalin and pol pot proud, all for the sake of their natural resources even though you already have an enormous territory around the most fertile regions of east asia?

What about when you invaded vietnam in 1979 and lost over 10 thousand in less than a month, then ran away with tails tucked between your legs while claiming to have 'taught vietnamese a lesson'? Butt of jokes by the vietnamese to this day by the way. In comparison, US sacrificed 60 thousand in the span of 9 YEARS, and still the vietcong and NVA never managed to take over South Vietnam while American military presence was there.

All that over the last 60 years - while United States have done less in 250 years of its own history?



Yes, United States makes mistakes. When you put an elephant in a flower patch the size of sandbox, it tends to be difficult to make a step without touching a few flowers.


But you are the size of an oversized rat and is now trying to play at being a superpower, tearing up the garden within and beyond your reach with your resource grabs beyond your borders.


What do you care about 'native americans' unless they give you excuses of bitch and take pot shots at Americans? What do you know about 'race inequality' and trying to use Ferguson for propaganda purposes that are obvious to everyone around the world? You rape and torture women and children simply to make way for construction and to the benefit of greedy government stooges, and dare not punish them out of fear, and yet you feel brave enough to be directed by your own oppressors to shifting blames to the west or any other convenient foreign 'enemies' and essentially earning your own death at the hands of others?

United States is doing its best under all circumstances considered. For a bunch of racially motivated children to think they can talk sh t about US because they are trying to buttress their sagging pride is the height of insecurity and childish behavior.

Your ulterior motive is all too transparent Cheesy
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - Redefining 2015 - Colored Coin 'Fuel' [NOXT/NOCC] on: December 12, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
Rofo, pls answer to the PM I sent you 2 days ago: how can I burn Noble for Noxt ?

Chill dude he's getting bombarded, I got a reply 2 days back from a PM sent a week previous. The man has real work to do.

It is very much true that rofo is swamped with work. Let us be considerate to his workload and have patience Smiley
128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open discussion about trustworthy ico/crowdfunding efforts? on: December 12, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
Honeypot, will you be mentioning NOXT/noble coin/James Curvy in every post you make in this thread? Looks like thread is just to plug this guy/group.

Transparency does help to instill trustworthiness. Ethereum had a very successful coin(ether) sale. Very transparent bunch they are --doubt they would allow anyone on their team who won't use their real identity.

It is just one that I have seen that seems to know what it's doing. If anyone can also suggest a legitimate project, then this is where you make your voice heard and discuss its merits Smiley

In regards to ethereum....I really don't know about trusting in a project that wrote on fine print about 'this project may or may not happen, but feel free to give us funding eitherway'.

If you know differently, let us discuss the matter here.


Anyone know other projects? Please feel free to discuss Smiley
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open discussion about trustworthy ico/crowdfunding efforts? on: December 12, 2014, 06:39:17 AM
Obviously people here are gonna hate, but everyone knows who Iconic Expert is and he is openly developing Bytecent.

I think open identity is only part of it. A good step, but obviously it does not preclude a con that is completely convinced of itself to the degree that Iconic Expert is. It is obviously difficult to quash a con that conned itself first.


I say so simply due to all the past history where that con essentially convinced himself and others how he is 'right' in downright stealing money while breaking promises and lying again and again.


I would respectfully disagree with your suggestion - IE is just another good example of a con that is simply convinced of itself. IE's 'record' speaks for itself - he is a self-deluded con that is in a worse place then most anonymous scammers because he is actually convinced he is justified in stealing people's money with half-baked excuses.

However, you bring up a point about the dangers of open public identity being not the end all be all of a developer's worth. In that case, past records is certainly another way to consider if an individual is a real deal.


That is just another reason for me to consider NOXT and Noblecoin leader Jason L. Curby in higher regard. He did register officially as business and just recently released official business summary and government documentation of his business plans - and I have been following his work since last january.
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto currencies you've actually used on: December 12, 2014, 06:32:57 AM
What about Noblecoin that you can use to buy amazon gift cards and gold/silver from Noble Marketplace?

Here is the ANN:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.msg9814393#msg9814393

Here's the marketplace:

https://marketplace.noblemovement.com/

What do you think?


Noblecoin has a great/honest dev, and they do great things. There are a lot of great unknown cryptos out there such as Nobelcoin and Neoscoin that people dont look at because their devs do not pump it up like these other coins. Its really sad that the honest ones get the shaft  Sad.

Very true. Scams and pump and dumps get 3000 btcs, etheruem that flat out tries to legally cover 'we may not even finish our project' in their statement gets over 10k btc, yet good honest devs and their projects are ignored because of lack of pump and dumps (how dare they!) and honest crowdfunding projects such as NobleNXT (NOXT) are not given the credit they deserve:

NobleNXT ANN:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

Legitimacy and adoption can only happen if people start treating crypto seriously in this manner.
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto currencies you've actually used on: December 12, 2014, 06:08:30 AM
What about Noblecoin that you can use to buy amazon gift cards and gold/silver from Noble Marketplace?

Here is the ANN:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.msg9814393#msg9814393

Here's the marketplace:

https://marketplace.noblemovement.com/

What do you think?
132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 12, 2014, 05:55:51 AM
bob, how do you feel about what you did your group? Also, anybody in the group care to share how they feel about what bob did? I think it would be good to hear from some of the victims in this.

So if he wouldn't have fucked you, everything would have been ok? Victims? Really? Wow!

No, I made quite a bit of btc in bob's group. I decided not to buy in to the BAY ICO, I make that clear in my post history. I am just curious about those whom did. I know that there were some individuals that put very large amounts of BTC in to the ICO and they lost quite a bit. I would like to hear from them, as well as hear from bob himself about how he feels about what he did to those individuals. His group members are the biggest victims of the scam.

The eventual path where most if not all of these 'groups' end up. 'Leader' screw them one last time and/or they eat each other and go separate ways.
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Open discussion about trustworthy ico/crowdfunding efforts? on: December 12, 2014, 05:51:29 AM
Anyone know one that actually has a public, clear and transparent devs and their crowdfunded projects?

In the midst of all these scandals and scams, can anyone suggest a good, honest, and open project where the people involved aren't afraid to show themselves publicly as a professional would?


I do like NobleNXT (NOXT) and Noblecoin here:

NOXT ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

Noblecoin ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.msg9814393#msg9814393



The dev's twitter and public profile - Jason L. Curby from Australia:

@Noblecoin

You can also find his linkedin via google.


So far many of the scams I have seen were those who worked anonymously and only later came out (at best) or just stayed hidden all along - not sure why anyone would trust such people with thousands of their BTC.

In contrast, Jason Curby has been public since January 2014....big difference in my book.

In my humble opinion, you can't trust anyone who isn't willing to stand out professionally and actually treat crypto projects as they would treat a public start up company. As in, not hiding behind anonymity for one thing.

Let's discuss.
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin on: December 12, 2014, 05:19:13 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.msg9814393#msg9814393

Rofo released non-mandatory wallet update for Noblecoin. Thank you! Smiley
135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - Redefining 2015 - Colored Coin 'Fuel' [NOXT/NOCC] on: December 12, 2014, 05:18:27 AM

NobleCoin v1.1.0.3

Non-mandatory wallet update has been running stable for us for a while. When we have PoS news I will let you know.

Windows version downloaded: https://github.com/jlcurby/NobleCoin/releases.

- Hardcoded super seed nodes (no more sync/.conf file issues)
- Fix .pro qt files and builds
- Fixed the windows thread problem (this is what caused the previous windows builds issues)
- Cleanup dead files
- Removed loops and updated codebase to qt5 compatible (longevity and greatly increased compatibility)
- Patched thread issue with Windows
- Made new windows 32 bit client all-in-one (static) one file/one click update (this has all up to date libs including SSL J,. etc)
- Fixed the ugly splash image!
- Special thank you to Palmdetroit


Awesome! Thank you for the work.
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread on: December 11, 2014, 11:21:33 PM
So far, hard talk and little follow through. If there really are bombs, drop some of em. Trying to leverage whatever you claim to have just doesn't add any credibility to your position.

137  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Microsoft is now accepting Bitcoin on: December 11, 2014, 05:52:08 PM
It's only a small start. Still, a bit faster than what I expected by a few months.

Things are heating up fast.
138  Economy / Economics / Re: USA is now number 2 on: December 11, 2014, 12:50:34 AM

Not quite true.

The IMF is using purchasing power parity to calculate China's GDP, attributing over 20% growth over the last two years alone, in a depressed global market at that!
In terms of nominal GDP, the United States is still $7.6 trillion ahead of the Chinese (as of 2013).
China will eventually take over the U.S.(which will drop to third behind India) as the world's largest economy - that's a given.
But in my opinion, that's at least six to ten years away - provided China's banking system does not collapse by then (the stories I hear about the reporting practices of provincial GLCs and financial institutions there are sometimes comical).

That's what I wrote 6 posts above yours. And looking at the other posts, it seems nobody reads what the others have written already. This is getting bad...


This whole non sense around PPP was reported over 2 months ago. Why the false excitement now?

Lots of desperate chinese here Smiley

Let me know when they are close to surpassing US Nominal GDP - much more accurate measure of economic power even with all its faults in comparison to localized, misreported, and grossly distorted PPP. From what I know,  their gpd growth is getting slower and slower despite their efforts, while US economy is emerging slowly out of slow growth post recession and manufacture is moving out of china. With US GDP leading chinese gdp, and absolute growth number getting closer and closer, the corner has been turned.

Much wishful thinking from the chinese Cheesy
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Altcoin to invest in for 2015 and WHY on: December 10, 2014, 04:58:13 PM
Think about this project and its particulars:

What if the developer had a public profile practically from day 1, worked on open bazaar stuff on this own because he considered it a possibility, consistently predicted and was on the mark for many trends across crypto, and had running marketplace and real products for nearly over 9 months now, and developed an honest, noble coin and haven't gotten the attention he deserved for his work because he was against all the pump and dump scheme methods that have plagued crypto in 2014?

Here's the latest ongoing with that very public dev who has shown his face, name, living place, business number etc since January of 2014.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

As I mentioned, NobleNXT (NOXT) seems to have promise. Any thoughts?
140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - Redefining 2015 - Colored Coin 'Fuel' [NOXT/NOCC] on: December 10, 2014, 04:52:05 PM

Remember this - it seems we are already ahead of schedule.
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