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121  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win a Lamborghini Huracan LP 580-2!! on: August 30, 2019, 06:36:41 AM
Don't you think the casino owners don't have a catch there? If anything abnormal or the server can't process the bet due to heavy load, they just simply put it in a CATCH or ELSE statement and return a BLANK result (server doesn't accept bet, try again) or LOSE result (you lose, give me your coin) or worst return a HTTP 503/504 result without any response.
Of course, in a simplified world an else statement or a try-catch block fixes any error Grin
But you hit the nail, as soon as the casino knows that something abnormal is going on they simply can deal with the situation accordingly.

That conclude is what I want to see, thus this is my conclusion: there is no cheat or bug exploit available thus again someone can't say that the bot win because it found out the way to dig in the hole. The casino hold the data and the log, they can easily track and find out if the guy cheated and stopped it immediately.
122  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win a Lamborghini Huracan LP 580-2!! on: August 29, 2019, 06:33:48 PM
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A provably fair site like Freebitco.in can never have a specific algorithm that can be exploited by bots, to guarantee some winning solution.  Roll Eyes
Of course it can, but only if there is a serious bug at Freebitco.ins side and the bot abuses this bug. What would happen is that users of those bot would be detected because their winning chance is way higher than the average player and get banned.
So this guy makes promises he fails to proof and simply scams people.

This statement is not correct, the site process the bet internally and return result (read only) to user end (you use GET command not a SET command to interact with their server).
The way requests are processed has literally nothing to do with manipulation safety. If this would be the case any online casino would be automatically unabusable. Thats simply not the case.
Imagine a glitch in the server side code which doesnt deal correctly with parallel executions or under heavy load when a bot sends like 20 requests per second.

Don't you think the casino owners don't have a catch there? If anything abnormal or the server can't process the bet due to heavy load, they just simply put it in a CATCH or ELSE statement and return a BLANK result (server doesn't accept bet, try again) or LOSE result (you lose, give me your coin) or worst return a HTTP 503/504 result without any response.
123  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win a Lamborghini Huracan LP 580-2!! on: August 29, 2019, 09:05:19 AM
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A provably fair site like Freebitco.in can never have a specific algorithm that can be exploited by bots, to guarantee some winning solution.  Roll Eyes
Of course it can, but only if there is a serious bug at Freebitco.ins side and the bot abuses this bug. What would happen is that users of those bot would be detected because their winning chance is way higher than the average player and get banned.
So this guy makes promises he fails to proof and simply scams people.

This statement is not correct, the site process the bet internally and return result (read only) to user end (you use GET command not a SET command to interact with their server).
Basically all bots available today have their own "Simulation" mode in which kind of provably fair system is written for the users to test on...and the mandatory thing is the site need to be provably fair!

Your statement is like 100 years ago when people said that we can't fly...but then the airplaine is out...lol.
124  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win a Lamborghini Huracan LP 580-2!! on: August 29, 2019, 08:45:19 AM


It's may be you have not tried for long enough, it somehow work but for users with enough balance (at least 1 or 2 BTC) to risk. The majority of his bot users lost, I agree with this casino owner, because they have not enough balance to risk on, and the guy with enough balance will not risk their money because of closed source issue (free but closed source).




But how is it different than martingale then with someone having a very large balance. If you are betting 0.01 BTC on martingale using 50/50 and your total balance is 1 BTC, you will go bust very fast. However if you are betting 0.00000001 BTC per bet with a balance of 1000 BTC then it would take a very long time to go bust. Basically it can take years and the bot would seem like its effective when it fact it just didn't have a long enough timeline.

I don't know how his bot works but I know that with a house edge is very difficult to make any money with a bot. The bot might be in profit for a few months but then eventually it will reach a streak where it loses the entire balance. Similiar to the way people bust their entire BTC wallets when doing martingale and getting 15 reds in a row.

It's basically belong to martingale category but fit to a dual exponential curves (cummulative earned balance vs highest commulative lost balance of a rare streak). If you managed to test/simulate a very large samples (well if you ever tested at least few hundred millions bets) with a suitable calculation you will find out that it take quite long to lose entire balance (original + earned) or cannot win back more than it cost (due to capped 20btc max win), my mark is 200 millions bets (around 3 months of test which roundly 1.5 year if playing for real) and there is high chance to win since a few percent of test sessions (multiple sets of 200 millions bets) reach that event (lost), but majority of them don't reach (aka cummulative lost balance of a bad streak < 20BTC). The test here is that you write your own code of provably fair number generator and test/simulate against it.
125  Economy / Gambling / Re: Game Protect Legal Case - Curacao License Scam on: August 28, 2019, 01:13:39 PM
@OP + Get-Paid.com, has there been any update w/ regards to this thread.

Has Game-Protect been able to further the case at all?

Man, she lost all I think, this is the testimonial for us which don't trust any of his service. He even floating around asking for legiminate or questioning on license of casinos here in this forum, while his identify is anynomous.
126  Economy / Gambling / Re: BTCDice.io - New dice site, fast rolls, instant withdrawals, invest on: August 28, 2019, 12:00:11 PM

The 25x risk isn't about having investors risk more. It's so they can deposit less of their investment to the site and reduce 3rd party risk.

There are differences to other dice sites to players too. We are faster than a lot of the others and have no throttle amounts on smaller bets and lower withdrawal limits

The thing for you is "max win", you need to increase that otherwise regardless of other advantage, users will not stay. As a bot dice user, thing that upset me about your site is "max win", hope that you would increase this soon since this is the "throttle amounts" not on min bet but is on max win.
127  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win a Lamborghini Huracan LP 580-2!! on: August 28, 2019, 08:41:25 AM
I don't think its ever possible to make a bot in crypto gambling because no matter how sophisticated it is or no matter what strategy it uses, it will never come out ahead due to the house edge. The house edge is always towards the casino and due to this it doesn't matter how the bot is coded the house will always win when time -> infinity.

Even if the server seed got changed in the middle of a game, I don't think it would affect the overall result by much. Every bet is completely independent of the prior and the way that the hashing goes its pretty much completely random, there is no pattern. Trust me I've tried.

It's may be you have not tried for long enough, it somehow work but for users with enough balance (at least 1 or 2 BTC) to risk. The majority of his bot users lost, I agree with this casino owner, because they have not enough balance to risk on, and the guy with enough balance will not risk their money because of closed source issue (free but closed source).

The users including me requested him to make a ported version for other site on an alt coin to lower the cost, but it's not available (may be he is not hating other site owners lol)...So I make my own thing base on understanding of his thing (live stream) on other low house edge site and somehow it work exactly like his live stream. Basically I leave that streaming tab open since last Jun 2018 and monitor it constantly to try to withness his lost but none still today.

For the 5% and 8% thing, to be clear: 5% is the house edge, 8% is the total earning per total wagered amount.

For proof, go around the sites and check my user name there -- same as forum name (I can't and won't tell which site it is) and check for yourself 8% thing mentioned. I am still in process of testing the site edge and provably fair thing... so far so good and in profit...For any one that want to accuse that I am his alt or any thing, well think again, I am from Vietnam and the guy might come from US or Canada (my guess), so nothing related.

I am telling the actual situation and also I don't play on this site right now, so don't attack me on this.
128  Economy / Gambling / Re: BTCDice.io - New dice site, fast rolls, instant withdrawals, invest on: August 27, 2019, 09:15:37 PM
Max win is too low, IMO would not attract users, make it at least few bitcoins (if you can handle) but what I can see for the near future the site will not have that since it seems the bankroll come from investors only, no investors then no big bankroll.
Display in bits is weird, better use standard 8 decimals, majority of today users would familiar with 1 coin or 1 satoshi (which 1/100,000,000 of a coin).
129  Economy / Gambling / Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts! on: August 26, 2019, 06:23:37 AM
guys, I am very worried about one question, since I'm just starting to use gambling.  I'm interested in how dangerous bots can be if you use them to use round sums for gambling?  I believe that by controlling the game personally, you control your expenses.
very dangerous if your start bet is to high or your amount of coins to low Wink there are many threads here or at google about different strategies.

The only strategy that can win big or lose big is Martingale (other strategies IMO can only help you lose slower), within Martingale find a good combination of odd/win chance and multiplier (not too aggressive) after each lose is the way to go. Best setup for you is use Seuntjie's bot, turn of chart, play with its simulation mode carefully (at least 50 millions simulated bets) to see how it going, if you can win simulated mode 90% of the time then it time to go for real coin.

@Spaffin: If you don't mind getting alot of reward for wagering, among 1% house edge casinos, Bitdice.me site IMO is the best choice since it have two major components that can be treated as "fair" to gamblers: speed and minimum bet of 1 satoshi. Don't go for any site that offer too much but constrained in minimum bet (or speed limit on low stake bets) regardless of how low its house edge is. i.e: chance of lose big on 1% edge site with minimum bet of 10000 satoshi is much more (at least few times x3, x4, x5, ....) even bigger than 5% edge site with minimum bet of 1 satoshi. Ignore any excuse of prioritize bigger bets or remove dust bets, these are common excuses of most of the casinos out there, the real reason is: to make you tend to become impatient faster thus play bigger...and lose faster, they ignore the fact that the average stake size per bet is much much more than 1 satoshi due to the nature of Martingale.
130  Economy / Gambling / Re: BITDICE.me - Crypto Casino 🎰 Now Accepting EOS | Roll Hunt | Bonuses on: August 26, 2019, 05:44:06 AM
New:

Every new user now gets 100 satoshi in all currencies after registration. Please note multi-accounters will be banned.

It's one time gift and is no risk of being multi-accounts since to have profit one may need to create 10k ++ accounts to see some gains.
131  Economy / Gambling / Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts! on: August 25, 2019, 07:46:25 AM
i dont know what dice site you are using. try bitdice i have there 10-11 bets/second with this bot Wink

Bitdice is one of them and yes its 10-11 bets/second but lasting not too long, they are upgrading/ transition to new code, hope it is resolved by then. I see that you are in profit, I guess one of the winning strategy on your side there. Mine still going well after 18mil bets but don't have much budget to risk on thus going slow and steady, hope to reach 50 mil bets mark without bursting.



patience is different from being lazy and busy  . bots like this are only good for those lazy person and also to those who are busy and dont have the time to gamble  . 

@HCP  , bots are not designed to give you a magic to start  winning  . you can still be able to loose but it saves your hassel for playing the game and most importantly its not a time waster once you set up and run the bot to play the game  .  lastly you dont need to run the bot for a month in order to see resuts  .  its only up to you if what time/date you prefer to stop  .

Bots like this or any custom bot will help in favour of player rather than built-in one. i.e: completely random of choosing high or low to bet (rather than single side or zigzag), modified martingale increase, calculate (or simulate) in advance how much is needed for a specific losing streak, etc...

Bot running with a good strategy can help us survive long enough to enjoy the game. Lazy or no time are one of the reasons, for my specific reason it is to play as long as possible in which every morning wake up, I see it is still running and gaining thus satisfy the purpose of gambling.
132  Economy / Gambling / Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts! on: August 22, 2019, 06:01:58 AM
I guess some people just like to reinvent wheels Wink

But full credit to them for going to the effort of creating their own setup... Still seems like a lot of work, for what will still likely result in a loss of money... and time Tongue Not sure I'd have the patience to have a bot running for a month! Shocked Shocked Shocked

That why there is a need of a bot to run 24/7, the patient thing is resolved by bot which it do it job while we are doing other things or sleep. Set and forget is the strategy to eliminate "patience" issue.
Regarding to reinvent wheels, not sure of this statement but there is working strategy from other guy on freebitco.in and I happened to believe it to follow, but i don't have enough budget to play on that site thus creating my own setup on another site with alt coins and it still work exactly the same. There is a burst chance but still wait for it to come, 2 months 24/7 with a speed of 4 bets/second and counting/waiting for the event which 99.99% percent of people are saying "you will lose in the end".
133  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Anyone here have some strategy to gain money, but with low profits daily? on: August 19, 2019, 10:26:55 PM
What if you do it this way:

Let's assume that we have 1 BTC on our balance in a gambling dice site
  • Let's say you are willing to risk 1% of that to a 50% winning chance rate
    • It's high or low and gets it right
  • After betting you stop already, whether you win or you lose
    • WIN - Then you enjoy additional 1% of your balance
    • LOSE - Then you take your losses and hope for a better tomorrow

I haven't tried this one but, it's going for the long game. I think it's also a mind game when you are gambling with dice or any gambling game because you need to have control with yourself and don't get emotional. I think that's what always happens.

My rule of thumb: take what i will gamble in one year and defined it as "willing to lose" amount, get 2% of that as starting balance for gambling, scale this in to an exponential curve in which the bigger the losing streak, the higher the profit if it won and make sure that this 2% can last long enough...if it lose all...deposit the remaining 98% and try to win.

The only thing is..beat every single rare losing streak, that's what i found out and the biggest drainage is 1/2 of my "willing to lose" amount (originally)..by now this amount increase and = 150% original amount (in which the biggest drainage is only at 1/3 of my total balance currently)...thus I am safe...and it ran for 2 months or 25% profit per month.

134  Economy / Gambling / Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts! on: August 19, 2019, 06:24:21 AM
And btw: I am not betting with this bot but my private one (with credit to Seuntjie in which i copied his code specifically the login & send bet command/ syntax to talk with the site and implement my own logics).



If you're only using the login and bet functionality, why not just use the bot's programmer mode to write your own logic? then you don't need to maintain any other code to ensure compatibility with the site and you can switch to any number of sites without having to change your code.

The reason is I need the least memory footprint as possible (constantly 10MB RAM usage is kept after a month or a few months run) in which a console program is best suite. Secondly I need to define some static and dynamic variables in which I am not sure how to keep it right in LUA script and also save that in case of restart or abnormal power outage. Thirdly alot of if and else as well as loop is used and lastly resolving the issues with error from site (HTTP 404/502) in which I let it just wait (in a loop) until the site is back to normal and continue playing without extra babysitting it.
135  Economy / Gambling / Re: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts! on: August 18, 2019, 07:03:23 AM
Yeah... I suspect you might be confused by the 4.95% == 0.0495...

In this formula, you need to use a "decimal percentage"... This is basically the percentage you are using / 100. All the values should end up between 0 and 1.

So, if you are using a percentage of 1%, the decimal value is (1 / 100) => 0.01

0.495% => 0.495 / 100 => 0.00495
4.95% => 4.95 / 100 => 0.0495
10% => 10 / 100 => 0.1
56.7% => 56.7 / 100 => 0.567
100% => 100 / 100 => 1

Because the start percentage is for "wins" and we're after "losses"... we then use (1-p) to get the loss percentage... so the formula, for 4.95% should look something like:

=abs(ln(4166576)/ln(1-0.0495))

What site are you using that is given you these 1700-1900 loss streaks? Huh


Yes I am a bit confused in displaying percentage number in decimal. It is 0.495% aka 0.00495, =abs(ln(4166576)/ln(1-0.00495)) = 3071.68 (by the use of formula). And actual result as mentioned 1700-1900 are easy to see, above 2000 is "rare" in which i withness 3 or 4 time at 2000+ and once at 2367 (the biggest I've seen).

For sites: anysite would yield the same thing as long as they have "provably fair" but I've played on Freebitco.in and Bitdice.me. You can check for my profit on Bitdice since it can show profiles.
And btw: I am not betting with this bot but my private one (with credit to Seuntjie in which i copied his code specifically the login & send bet command/ syntax to talk with the site and implement my own logics).

136  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Impossibility of a gambling system (Why methods don't work) on: August 17, 2019, 06:58:50 AM
Methods do work in gambling but after its been release to other gamblers then it will stop working. A friend of mine once have some methods in dice gambling and he used it for some days and forward it to me after which I also used it for two days, after the method was  aborted and till now no method from him so far.

Is this for real, and on a dice game? Well, even if this, and based on your real experience, it is impossible for this to last. No wonder why it only lasted for a couple of days. Gambling sites will detect it sooner rather than later. They won't allow any method or strategy to beat the house edge. It will kill the industry.

Dice gambling, yes there is a way. I personally myself working on specific method and well it last for 2 months and ongoing. For the last sentence you should say: casino will cheat player if they win, is it correct? Every casino claim they are using provably fair system in which produce random results so that your strategy need to be random too thus making them unable to guess your next bet to cheat or alter the result. The correlation of two random sets (result vs your bets -- sides/odds/stake) yield a statistical data that can be predictable.

To beat the house edge, the most important thing is to figure out how to earn faster than the house edge, i.e: for 1% house edge, as long as you can earn 2% or more per wagered amount or 5% house edge need earning rate of 6% or more, profit will retain at the end regardless of how many bets/how long you've played.
137  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Anyone here have some strategy to gain money, but with low profits daily? on: August 12, 2019, 10:36:48 AM
There was one guy posting here regarding to his bot and his own strategy, if you don't mind seeking back it was like 1.5 years ago.
It might not work for every case since total capital of each person is different, i've watch the live stream for 1.5+ years and it's a non losing way.

The main thing is that you would believe it or not, if not then there is no such strategy, otherwise look for it and try. The guy stop promoting his bot long time ago since 99.99% of users here against him.
I personally tried to follow the method (of being guessing the logic) and wrote my own version for other gambling site and to tell you, it work.

You may ned to look for it yourself thought, since i can't as well as don't want to mention it here because his haters will come in and accuse that I am him and pretend to make sub-acount to ads for that.

Good luck
138  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★MyDiceBot★ - Ultimate Bitcoin Dice Bot. Bet More, Earn More! on: August 12, 2019, 07:30:45 AM
player are chatting inside MyDiceBot chat room, anyway...
If you look it more carefully, people didn't chatting too much (there are only 1 msg on Aug 6, on Aug 7 too, and on Aug 8, there were only you and 1 person who chatted).
They even confused how to use your bot.

Is this still continuing?
Why not try it for yourself? I've seen you always commented on other thread without any tried even for once.

Speaking of trying out the bot, has anyone actually tried it and if so how was the experience, would you recommend it? I see a lot of people posting on here but no one mentioned anything about whether the bot works or not  Undecided

In term of functionality (place a bet, get result, place next bet, stop loss....) it would be like other bots which work. But in term of defining of "work" only when it has profit after a long run, then i would say no as it is more or less the same with Seuntjie bot.
139  Economy / Gambling / Re: LUCKYBOT - THE AI-ENABLED GAMBLING BOT (autopilot, free vouch copy) on: August 11, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
Just post a proof of an account playing and is inprofit with the bot, or better give a username on a what ever site that other players can check for profit stat.
140  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bustabit: scam or hack, you be the judge. on: August 11, 2019, 10:16:22 AM
You can't accuse someone who played and won as a cheater, if he managed to get in between webserver and database server the best way is to alter the balance of his account and withdraw fast. He doesnt need to keep betting to wait for the admin to catch him.

Basically burst game is similar to dice game in term of logic and there is way to win on dice game, thus if the same winning strategy taken over will work.
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