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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 13, 2011, 03:25:03 AM
The day following Ixcoin's introduction, I bought several thousand Ixcoins at 0.00006 BTC from miners me
Fixed

Here's one trade I made: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36278.msg447628#msg447628
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 13, 2011, 02:51:00 AM
In particular, I think it is unfair to keep hundreds of thousands of whatever-coins for yourself, and it is unwise to think that a bitcoin variation that is "almost exactly like bitcoin, only different because... well, just because" will ever have anything more than speculative value.

How do you respond to the idea that you started this new blockchain with the primary purpose being to make you an early adopter so you can get rich quick, especially considering you made 250'000 ixcoins for your personal use (not bounties) before even announcing your project? Many people on this forum including me think just that.

The day following Ixcoin's introduction, I bought several thousand Ixcoins at 0.00006 BTC from miners. At that rate, that equates to ~17BTC for 250K Ixcoins - less than what we spent on hosting/domains/related, not counting our time. Nothing was stopping you or others from purchasing large holdings of Ixcoins at these prices.

Miners are now sitting on 1 million Ixcoins. Some early miners managed to mine 150K Ixcoins. Should they be scolded for being early adopters?

There were several motivations why we introduced Ixcoins. To name a few:

1/ Before investing in Bitcoin we were a bit uneasy about the prospect of early-adopters with massive BTC holdings possibly tanking the value of our investments by flooding the markets. I eventually dismissed this feeling, but several experienced investors we mentioned Bitcoin to kept bringing up that point. I don't have anything against early adopters profiting, because without them we wouldn't have the wonderful Bitcoin ecosystem we have today. It's just that I would prefer the value of my investment to not be dependent on a handful of early adopters with millions of BTCs. I prefer to spread my risk. We saw a trial-run of such a scenario with the MTGox episode.

The current Ixcoin distribution is somewhat clearer which I hope might reassure potential new investors. The 2/3 of the total 1.5M IXC in existence belong to miners. Close to half of the remaining 1/3 is set aside for bounties. The rest will be used to fund future development and some for ourselves. Omitting the initial difficulty ramp-up, I'm betting IXC will be evenly distributed since the mining community is mature and competition is fierce. Setting a high difficulty right from the start would have avoided the difficulty ramp-up phase, but we believe would also have prevented the general excitement and very rapid uptake from the Bitcoin community.

2/ Waiting until 2033-2050 for all 21 million BTCs to be generated sounded a bit distant. We wanted a shorter maturation period to reinforce the scarcity aspect of Bitcoin. By 2015 when hopefully the masses start using Bitcoin/Ixcoin (due to current Bitcoin dev trends and imploding fiat currencies) and when all Ixcoins have been generated, it'll be refreshing for people to use the strictly non-inflating Ixcoin currency (and also avoid explaining the complex inflation and mining techno-babble), whilst still reassuring them that there is not just a handful of Ixcoin holders but that it is spread over many thousands of miners.

3/ Fun and (currently limited) profit. We made multiple orders of magnitude more on bitcoin trading but this is way more fun!

123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 12, 2011, 05:22:38 PM
There's a guy here saying the code will break once it reaches 21 million coins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36701.msg451411#new
Which makes it no different than a couple old versions of the bitcoin client. An oversight in the code doesn't make it a scam, though I am keeping a close eye on how quickly this one gets fixed...

Indeed. We're working on a updates to the Ixcoin client such as integrating 0.3.25 changes. The above issue won't come into play for a few years so we still have time but we'll address it in the next version.
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 12, 2011, 05:18:16 PM
... and I'm trying to figure out why my immediate reaction is "yuck."

I guess I just don't see the point of IxCoin.  I just spent some time looking back through all the original poster's messages, and I don't see any prior discussion of goals of IxCoin, how it should be designed, etc.

If the goal is to let more people be early adopters of a new cyber-currency, then it seems to me giving early bitcoin adopters a bunch of IxCoin goes against that goal.


Sorry you feel this way.

It was a gesture to motivate you to have a look. I'd be happy to donate your Ixcoins to an Ixcoin Faucet (if someone develops it).
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IxCoin is a SCAM on: August 12, 2011, 05:07:46 PM
Right now, no merchants that I know of will accept IxCoins...no exchanges that I know of will trade IxCoins, there are no tools that let me see up to the minute values, charts, graphs or get real time trade information.

In the two days since Ixcoin's introduction, there's already an exchange (which compares very decently in BTC volume to other early exchanges), a pool, two blockexplorers in the works www.ixcoin.net and www.ixcoin.info. There are also several people working on charts. Note these are all independent initiatives.
126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IxCoin is a SCAM on: August 12, 2011, 04:49:38 PM
re: creator as early adopter from get go, I just now thought of this: nasakioto generated first 6,000 blocks and then released the blockchain publicly, which at the time of release had a difficulty of 1.  How can 6,000 blocks be generated and still offer difficulty of 1?  Perhaps that means each 2016 blocks generated must be generated at 2 weeks or longer to preserve difficulty of 1.  Thus, 6,000 blocks (or 3 sets of 2016 blocks) must be generated in 6 weeks or 1.5 months.  He ended up generating 6,000 blocks in 3.5 months.

This is because mining was not a continuous process over the 3.5 months. We intended to release Ixcoin earlier but for various reasons, it was released later. During the waiting periods, mining was stalled because our intention was not to mine millions of IXC, but enough to cover the bounties and other incentives we have planned to promote Ixcoin.

127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IxCoin is a SCAM on: August 12, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
I don't see a problem here. Change the code and most of the users will use the new version. Problem solved.

I don't either. There are several updates in the works for the Ixcoin client so we'll address any issues such as these in the upcoming releases. In any case, thanks for raising the point.

I'm not clear why this makes it a scam though, as this would make earlier versions of Bitcoin scams too.

128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 12, 2011, 10:13:26 AM
My only real and valid concern that may have been addressed earlier, is whether or not ixcoin has the kill switch inside, and if so who holds the key to it?

The Ixcoin code, like the Bitcoin code, does not have a kill switch.
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 11, 2011, 09:03:22 PM
I threw this together real quick. I think it works.
it's like blockexplorer but for ixcoin. all the links say 'bitcoin' but i pointed it at the ixcoin chain so its actually showing ixcoin info.

http://buttoncommand.net:2750/

Nice work! If you could change name from Bitcoin to Ixcoin and remove the other chains, we could link to it from the Ixcoin wiki. Might even win the relevant bounty too.

130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 11, 2011, 02:15:38 PM
here's a test: is namecoin offtopic?

Touché...
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 11, 2011, 12:37:51 PM
First bounty claimed for the first Bitcoin/Ixcoin exchange : https://ixchange.bitparking.com

Current exchange stats: Last Price: 0.00250000 High: 0.01000000 Low: 0.00020000 Volume: 56236.84604790 Time: 08/12/11 00:36:30

First Ixcoin mining pool at : http://ixpool.bitparking.com/pool

132  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [BUYING] Ixcoins for BTC on: August 11, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
FYI DoubleC just setup a BTC<>IXC exchange https://ixchange.bitparking.com
133  Economy / Marketplace / Re: << IXCOIN SALES Thread >> Trading FOR BTC AND NMC on: August 11, 2011, 12:08:17 PM
I'm interested! Are you still selling?

Does anybody else find this funny?

Indeed Grin

But that's the beauty with a p2p currency: once it's in the wild, even the creators have to buy in to get coins.

FYI DoubleC just setup a BTC<>IXC exchange https://ixchange.bitparking.com
134  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling 10 Ixcoin for Bitcoins on: August 11, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
FYI DoubleC just setup a BTC<>IXC exchange https://ixchange.bitparking.com
135  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [BUYING] Ixcoins for BTC on: August 11, 2011, 03:29:46 AM
Don't know the price and qty you are buying, so I'm not sure if it is worth the trouble of mining it for you. You would have better luck if you specified the price and qty of IXcoin you are buying.

Ok, I'll buy 5 BTC worth of IXC.
136  Economy / Marketplace / Re: << IXCOIN SALES Thread >> Trading FOR BTC AND NMC on: August 11, 2011, 02:47:11 AM
+1 Confirming successful trade with foggyb
137  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [BUYING] Ixcoins for BTC on: August 11, 2011, 02:27:20 AM
Transparent pump and dump is transparent. He is trying to start expectations that Ixcoins will be worth something by buying them while holding his 500k off the market. Once other people enter as they see the price rise, he can begin to dump his 500k.

Of course, getting in on the pump is a good idea. If you can avoid the dump (that is never buy Ixcoins).

So why not sell me all your IXC then?
138  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [BUYING] Ixcoins for BTC on: August 11, 2011, 02:19:30 AM
Serious offers only please Wink

So what is your price then?
I can offer 1 BTC for 100 000 your coins.

I'm buying, not selling
139  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [BUYING] Ixcoins for BTC on: August 11, 2011, 01:21:46 AM
Serious offers only please Wink
I know but in fairness there hasn't really been any sales yet so we don't even know the "ballpark"

I'm working on several offers to buy Ixcoins, but I'm mostly getting offer from IXC buyers, not IXC sellers... Any IXC sellers out there?
140  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling 10 Ixcoin for Bitcoins on: August 11, 2011, 01:07:55 AM
For anyone selling IXC for BTC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36315.0

We are mocking it, not offering to buy it, you two-bit con man.

A conman trying to pay YOU? Hmm... that's a new one  Roll Eyes
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