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121  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 27, 2017, 10:48:31 PM
Antonopoulos making some good points about the possibility of Govs taking over exchanges on a 6 minutes video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PrJQeKl9w4
122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 27, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
looks like finex will credit bch  [bcc] using "socialized distribution coefficient"

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Bitcoin Cash (BCH) Token Distribution
July 27, 2017

A minority of Bitcoin miners will be forking on August 1st, 2017 to create a new chain called Bitcoin Cash. The fork does not impact Bitcoin balances, but it creates a new token. At the time of the fork, all Bitcoin addresses holding a balance will automatically have equivalent balances in Bitcoin Cash.

There has been a variety of responses by the community about how to handle this new token. After a significant show of interest from our customers, we have decided to take steps to facilitate the distribution of Bitcoin Cash balances to those holding a settled Bitcoin balance on Bitfinex. We may also list markets for this new token, but that decision will be made after the fork event.

Although we see this token referred to as BCC on other platforms, unfortunately, that ticker symbol is already in use on our platform by the chain-split token representing Bitcoin Core. As such, we plan to use BCH as the ticker symbol and “Bcash” as the descriptive name to avoid confusion with Bitcoin.

Although several months ago, we developed a methodology for handling contentious hardforks, we will be applying a different methodology for what we regard as a spurious forking of the Bitcoin project with little mining support. Although we have not supported such Bitcoin UTXO-based distributions in the past (Stellar Lumens, Clams, etc.), we will support the distribution of Bitcoin Cash due to significant customer interest.

Distribution Policy

BCH will be distributed to settled bitcoin wallet balances as of the UTC timestamp of the first forking block, which is expected to occur on August 1st, 2017.

The token distribution methodology will be:

    All BTC wallet balances will receive BCH
    Margin longs in BTC/USD and margin shorts in XXX/BTC will not receive BCH
    Margin shorts in BTC/USD and margin longs in XXX/BTC will not pay BCH
    BTC Lenders will receive BCH

Due to the net amount of BTC committed in margin positions at the time of the fork, the above methodology may result in Bitfinex seeing a surplus or deficit of BCH. As such, we will be resolving this discrepancy in the form of a socialized distribution coefficient. For example, currently, there are more longs than shorts on the platform, causing a distribution coefficient of ~1.091 (Meaning that for each qualifying BTC a user will receive 1.091 BCH). The actual coefficient will be calculated at the moment of the distribution. Please note that if there are more shorts than longs at the fork event, this coefficient will be less than one. This coefficient can be roughly computed from publicly available information from our API (longs & shorts) and the Blockchain (cold storage).

We recognize that this model is not perfect, but given the short time frames imposed upon us, better choices are not available. It would be an undue burden to create negative BCH balances for BTC/USD shorts and XXX/BTC longs. Furthermore, lenders may be locked in for up to 30 days and would be adversely impacted. In the end, we believe that this solution creates the least amount of disruption and facilitates a timely distribution of BCH.

Margin longs who wish to receive BCH should consider either claiming some or all of their position or exchanging and holding BTC collateral in their margin wallet as opposed to other assets. We hope to make withdrawals available soon after the fork, assuming everything is fine with the BCH blockchain.

Once again we want to reassure our customers that your bitcoin is safe and this event will not affect your bitcoin balances, positions, or loans - you will simply be receiving an additional token balance based upon the aforementioned methodology.

Way more professional way of handling it then Bitstamp and Polo. Cheers to them.
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 27, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
Now the recent XMR spike seems more than related to the btc-e case. Some unarrested admin of btc-e has entered big time.

You really think so?  Wouldn't that make Monero a target by the US effing government?  I think it's a bad idea to be a target this early in the game.  I mean XMR hasn't established itself like Bitcoin has.

The good news is no goverment can link this two events. Noone can link for sure. My assertion was just speculation... Today Im not so sure, but absent some other direct evidences I guess we will never know.

coin is safe until Quantum computers hit 8 bits (IIRC correct me if wrong guys) so that is a long way off and that will kill all crypto unless they
HF a new protocol which I'm sure all viable ones will. Multivariate cryptography is the next step I think.

Quite interesting. I would thought they would need at least 256bits or so. I clearly have to educate myself in the issue. Do we have an estimation of when the first 8bit one can appear?. Do you need some kind of footbal camp sized datacenter with near absolute zero temperatures to achieve this or will be miniaturizable?.

And the most important: do aliens have this technology well developed?  Grin
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 27, 2017, 05:20:50 PM
Now the recent XMR spike seems more than related to the btc-e case. Some unarrested admin of btc-e has entered big time.

You really think so?  Wouldn't that make Monero a target by the US effing government?  I think it's a bad idea to be a target this early in the game.  I mean XMR hasn't established itself like Bitcoin has.

The good news is no goverment can link this two events. Noone can link for sure. My assertion was just speculation... Today Im not so sure, but absent some other direct evidences I guess we will never know.
125  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 26, 2017, 08:56:37 PM
Good chance there are also stolen coins among the many coins we own by now. People are willing to pay a premium for freshly mined virgin bitcoins.

Thatīs the problem with a transparent blockchain and thatīs why monero is rising right now

And that won't lead to monero attracting special attention from the FBI and having its fiat gateways tightly controlled and resources ploughed into cracking the cryptography that will eventually expose the whole monero blackchain.....  Roll Eyes

Bitcoin is absolutely right to have a transparent blockchain, it just lacks the optionally private transactions that Dash has mastered with PrivateSend.  Obfuscate the transactions, not the whole damn blockchain.  Ah well, people will learn.

Does anyone know Kraken's policy in the event of a coin split?  Have they announced one?

The laws of maths are stronger than the laws of men. Good luck cracking the XMR cryptography. Also, the whole Dash is so cheesy that is almost respetable Wink

Please dont compare this shitty scamcoin with Monero.
"it just lacks the optionally private transactions" <- this is a feature not a bug, anonymity by default is a necessity for a anon cryptocurrency.

Anyone calling Dash a "scam" nowadays only displays wilful ignorance.  If you'd like to educate yourself please come over to the Dash ANN thread, otherwise please keep your libellous remarks to yourself.

I assume from the lack of response regarding Kraken that they haven't released any statement as yet?

Well, Dash has a ninjamine that borders in the scam zone, depending on where you want to draw the lines. The masternodes are a point of fragility and the trasactions are easily traceable. I said it was cheesy, not a plain scam. Dash is way better at the PR department. They have art selling it to the uneducated people, thatīs his strong point and his curse
126  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 26, 2017, 05:58:02 PM
Laws of maths are stronger than laws of men. Good luck cracking the XMR cryptography. Also, the whole Dash is a joke so cheesy that I wonīt even try to discuss it

people are more scared of human laws than mathematical ones.

the only option going forward will be p2p.

if government wants to get heavy on truly anonymous coins all exchanges are gonna cave. they'll stop trading it.

Paradoxically, TPTB needs fungibility too and thatīs the very reason of existence and protection of the offshores. Do you think the rothchilds and the big players are going to have his money visible at the eyes of all?
127  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 26, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
Good chance there are also stolen coins among the many coins we own by now. People are willing to pay a premium for freshly mined virgin bitcoins.

Thatīs the problem with a transparent blockchain and thatīs why monero is rising right now

And that won't lead to monero attracting special attention from the FBI and having its fiat gateways tightly controlled and resources ploughed into cracking the cryptography that will eventually expose the whole monero blackchain.....  Roll Eyes

Bitcoin is absolutely right to have a transparent blockchain, it just lacks the optionally private transactions that Dash has mastered with PrivateSend.  Obfuscate the transactions, not the whole damn blockchain.  Ah well, people will learn.

Does anyone know Kraken's policy in the event of a coin split?  Have they announced one?

The laws of maths are stronger than the laws of men. Good luck cracking the XMR cryptography. Also, the whole Dash is so cheesy that is almost respetable Wink
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 26, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
Good chance there are also stolen coins among the many coins we own by now. People are willing to pay a premium for freshly mined virgin bitcoins.

Thatīs the problem with a transparent blockchain and thatīs why monero is rising right now.  People hadnīt yet figured out that fungibility matters
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 26, 2017, 05:15:07 PM
Now the recent XMR spike seems more than related to the btc-e case. Some unarrested admin of btc-e has entered big time.
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 26, 2017, 05:13:23 PM
Crosspost from allstolen:

confirmed:


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The 38-year-old is characterized by the US authorities as one of the leading members of an organization that was running large amounts of money through an online Bitcoin digital exchange platform that helped to "launder" more than $ 4 billion from 2011 to date! This is the BTC-e platform, which after the 38-year-old is arrested as the US prosecution investigation is in full swing.

The Big Bit Theft, the Dark Web and the Sleazy Life of the Russian Who Detected the FBI in Halkidiki
Vassilis Kyriacoulis

38-year-old Russian Alexander Vinnik enjoyed his vacation with his partner in one of the most expensive hotels in Ouranoupoli in Halkidiki. He had not realized the slightest of the FBI steps he had been watching for months, informing the Greek prosecution authorities of his action. Yesterday after a surprise operation he was arrested and today he was handcuffed to the prosecutor of the Thessaloniki Court of Appeals in order to start the proceedings for his extradition to the United States.

The 38-year-old is characterized by the US authorities as one of the leading members of an organization that was running large amounts of money through an online Bitcoin digital exchange platform that helped to "launder" more than $ 4 billion from 2011 to date! This is the BTC-e platform, which after the 38-year-old is arrested as the US prosecution investigation is in full swing.

In the traces of the massive attack on Mt. Gox

Characteristically, according to the documents sent to the Greek authorities on the bitcoins exchange platform behind which the 38-year-old Russian is hiding, a large part of the "stolen" removed from Mt. Gox , which by the end of 2014 managed 70% of the volume of bitocoin trades worldwide, but after the attack it received declared bankrupt.

The trial of MT's CEO recently kicked off in Tokyo. Gox Mark Karpelčs , who accused the hackers of the 850,000 bitcoin, worth about $ 500 million, lost in 2014. According to documents that reached 306,853 bitcoins stolen after the attack on Mt. Gox entered the BTC-e purses. According to the same documents another part of the stolen from the attack on Mt. Gox arrived at a San Francisco exchange office.

Alexander Vinnik on his admission to the courts of Thessaloniki
"One of the biggest" money laundering "on the Internet

As stated in the documents sent by the US Department of Justice, BTC-e is "one of the largest entities in the field of electronic money laundering and money laundering in the world". According to the US authorities, "illegal proceeds come from a number of high-level piracy, ransom repayment systems, drug trafficking and tax systems." As the US authorities have estimated on this platform since 2011, 12.5 million bitcoins have been filed and blamed, and blame the 38-year-old Russian and his colleagues for spilling at least $ 4 billion!
Corrupt agents

Through the platform behind which the Russians are accused of allegedly scamming money, two corrupt US federal agents Carl Force and Shaun Bridges , who were accused of robbing millions of dollars worth of Silk Road , This site was one of the largest black drug markets in the so-called "dark internet".
The trails at Abu Dhabi's luxury hotel

The FBI had closely watched 38-year-old Russian at least over a year ago, as its papers refer to May 2016 as a luxury hotel in Abu Dhabi, as it traced its digital footprints through a WebMoney account.
He denies the accusations

Today, in front of the prosecutor in Thessaloniki, 38-year-old Russian denies any interference with the accusations attributed to him by the US authorities, and he said he was amazed at his arrest. The Appeals Council is expected to meet in the coming time, which is required to give its opinion on the request for extradition to the United States, and then the final decision will be taken by the Minister for Justice. The maximum period of detention by the Greek authorities may not exceed two months.
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 26, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
mr fatfinger, I guess...

That whale blood tastes so yummy  Grin
132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 26, 2017, 08:08:11 AM
Welcome to the Mental Metal Observer price movement  tracking and paperweight decorations, by the way.


BTC.e keep flatlining and time to extract your BTCs from exchanges is running out. I would like to hear about your strategies about letting some in your fav exchange to do some machiavelic last minute trades
133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 26, 2017, 01:05:24 AM

i'm pushing for a simple malleability fix. confident they will do it, eventually,  but many devs dont see it as a priority for the short term.

altho the classic team will provide an opt-in malleability fix for BCC to boot.

I need *instant* tx's, schnorr signatures and malleability fix in less than three months. Otherwise I will just fork Bitcoin Cash Plus from Bitcoin Cash. With SEGWIT + LN support. (It will be easy, just a clone of Bitcoin code with the Cash tag in the name). You have all been warned!

more free money!!?!?!

you guys are to kind

Wut? No free cash, Bitcoin Cash Plus will be the REAL Bitcoin Cash! *

* As satoshi intended. Haven't you read the whitepaper? blah blah?
Nah, thatīs a shitcoin. The truly gem is Bitcoin Cash Plus Classic
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 24, 2017, 10:29:30 PM
A new wave is in the oven



Time to cook.

Hmmm, this tastes so good it's obscene
135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 24, 2017, 08:20:35 PM
A new wave is in the oven
136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 22, 2017, 06:05:13 PM
It was to illustrate a friend that has just become bitcoiner 2 weeks ago and itīs totally addicted to the cause. Thanks, V8 Wink

If you bought close to the weekly 20 MA good for you! If the ATH is taken out here are some targets to take some profits at. The 1.618 Fibonacci extension is often more accurate than the 2.618.


Can someone repost that graph of 1.68 fibo at 3600 and 2.68 at plus 4k?. I canīt find it, I think I saw it here

If I had any friends I would tell them about bitcoin for sure.
137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 22, 2017, 03:34:06 PM
Can someone repost that graph of 1.68 fibo at 3600 and 2.68 at plus 4k?. I canīt find it, I think I saw it here
138  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 11:12:57 PM
2888 FUFUFUFUFUUUUCK!!!  Shocked Shocked









 Grin

139  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 06:17:55 PM
140  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
ITS HAPPENING, RON PAUL, TROLOLOL
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