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121  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN END PRICE on: October 18, 2017, 03:52:14 PM
I want to ask if there is a mark in which bitcoin will stop increasing or is there  a mark it can't cross.
I don't think there is any price range which bitcoin can't go over. I think even $100k per bitcoin is possible by next five years or even earlier.
I am quite optimistic about crypto in overall so total marketcap of all crypto can go easily over $1 trillion in near future.
I do think that bitcoin has the potential to increase in price a lot more, and quickly.  But keep in mind that it can't continue up at an exponential pace forever.  There's a finite amount of money in the world and other investments and currencies that other people will want to hold.  It's not a great indicator, but I think that market cap can give us some idea.  Apple, one of the largest companies today, has a market cap of around $825B.  If bitcoin hits $100k, with around 18M coins, that's a market cap of $1.8T.  If bitcoin continues to do well, that may be reasonable in the next decade or so.  But if you start to look at prices around $1M/bitcoin, we're talking a market cap of around $18T-$20T.  That's approximately the GDP of the entire United States today.  It would take a long time, if ever, for it to get that high.  So while the potential for continued growth exists, it's not going to keep increasing exponentially.
122  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is the risk of holding Bitcoin? on: October 18, 2017, 06:15:20 AM
A risk associated with hodling Bitcoin is that the process of taxation on capital gains is quite complicated. Investors need to instantly and accurately report on the capital gains and losses. Failure to comply with the reporting requirements results in fines that consequently reduce the gains or increase the losses incurred on the investment.  Sad
I guess it depends on the jurisdiction in which you reside, but at least in the US, capital gains on bitcoin aren't that complicated if you buy and hold.  It gets more complicated if you trade it a lot.  In any case, the basic idea in the US is this: you are required to pay capital gains taxes on the profit you make when you sell bitcoin (not when you buy it).  You can also write off losses.  So if, for example, you pay $1000 for a bitcoin and later sell it for $3000, you would pay capital gains taxes on the $2000 profit you made.  If you bought at $3000 and sold at $1000, you could deduct $2000 (although there are limits on the amount you can deduct per year) from you taxable income.  Additionally, if you hold you bitcoin for more than a year before selling it, you pay the long-term capital gains tax rate, which is generally lower than the short-term one.
123  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN END PRICE on: October 18, 2017, 06:02:52 AM
The way bitcoin price has been increasing has been alarming lately and I can say that no other currency has the amount of power that bitcoin has, I can remember vividly sometime during January ( I mean early January) bitcoin was only struggling to reach $1k but now come October, the currency is almost nearing $6k ($5600) to be precise, now I want to ask if there is a mark in which bitcoin will stop increasing or is there  a mark it can't cross.
Bitcoin's behavior lately hasn't really been that crazy by historical standards.  In absolute terms, price swings of $1k are certainly a lot.  But in percentage terms, they're more in line with the way bitcoin has behaved in the past (although +20% in a 24-hour period when we went from ~$4800 to ~$5800 was outsized, even for bitcoin).
124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin reaching $10,000 worth is possible this year. on: October 18, 2017, 05:55:00 AM
The rapid increase in the price of Bitcoin has encouraged the hope of reaching it to $10,000 but one should also note that there will be definitely a decrease in the value after Bitcoin Gold and it will again take some time to climb towards $7,000. One can expect touching $8,000 by the end of the year, but $10,000 is very rare. Bitcoin may touch $10,000 in the coming year with regular growth and increase in demand but in less than 2.5 months it is quite hard to achieve maybe after Segwit2x there can a tremendous growth but it cannot cross $10,000 barrier for now.
I agree that blowing through $5k was a great sign of higher prices to come, and that it could take time.  I think that the consolidation that we're seeing since the rally occurred is very healthy and sets the stage for another leg up.

But I'm not as sure as you are that the bitcoin gold fork will lead to a price drop.  If everyone dumps their forked coins for BTC, that could lead to a further increase in demand and thus price for BTC.
125  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin prices after 25 october on: October 18, 2017, 05:48:25 AM
Originally, I thought that the recent rally was at least being heavily influenced by the upcoming bitcoin gold fork.  However, a couple days ago, I saw some speculation about the possibility that China could reopen bitcoin-yuan trading again at some point (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-12/bitcoin-explodes-5600-30-end-chinas-golden-week-holiday).  If that's what's behind the recent rally, then bitcoin's price may revolve around how those rumors develop rather than what happens with bitcoin gold.
126  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading Tips for Beginners on: October 18, 2017, 05:32:52 AM
Do: Hold at whatever you're buying
Don't: Trade

Explanation: Everyone is losing money by trading because no one can predict the outcome of the market (short term outcome). But we can all be fairly sure that the cryptomarket will evolve within the next years and it's value will multiply by a lot. Considering that, it makes no sense to trade "catching waves" to make short-term profits, if you can simply buy any of these coins and hold, and make just as good of a return as you would by trying to trade. Just consider doing something else, having a job for example will most likely provide you with a better income than trading (even though trading is a job as well, leave it to the experienced one's) if you really do want to get invovled in it, just put a very small amount of your portfolio into trading, maybe 10% and trade with that. Something you can afford to lose
This is some good advice.  Trading is not easy; many fail at it over the long term (if not the short term).  Bitcoin has kind of become like the crypto equivalent of broad stock market indices in the sense that you will probably make a decent profit by buying and holding longer term.  Trading is only worth it if you can beat the return that bitcoin will give you.

If you really are set on learning to trade, then I advise the following:

1. Do some basic investing (e.g., buy some bitcoin on some pullbacks) so you can try to earn some money while you learn how to trade.
2. Recognize that learning to trade will take a lot of time and hard work, and will take years to learn to do well.  If you don't enjoy staring at charts for hours, stop here.  Trading is not for you.
3. Don't quit your day job (see #2).
4. Start by taking some time to learn the basics of what trading is and how to do it.  Youtube has a lot of good material.
5. After learning how to trade, learn more about technical analysis and spend time developing a trading plan that fits your personality.
6. Backtest and forward test your plan, either on paper or with very small trade sizes.  Optimize your plan.
7. When you think you have a sound trading system, trade small amounts first and increase your trade size slowly as you gain confidence.  Learn to control your emotions.
8. Profit.
127  Economy / Economics / Re: Is bitcoin now the strongest currency in the world? on: October 18, 2017, 05:14:02 AM
Yes it is true bitcoin is the strongest currency in the world of crypto currency. Now a days if a person is connected through internet they know the reality of this currency.
I agree that bitcoin is certainly the strongest cryptocurrency, but it's no where close to the strongest currency in the world.  To be such, it would have to beat out reserve currencies like the dollar and yen.  By comparison, bitcoin is still in its infancy.

It is growing currency many people are connected with it and they solve their financial problems through bitcoin.
The fact that this is true shows one of the problems with bitcoin--currencies are supposed to be for making financial transactions, not for making people rich.  The crazy rise in the price of bitcoin over the years has made it more of an asset than a currency.
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you expect a crash soon ? Or you see bitcoin keep climbing ? on: October 18, 2017, 05:05:34 AM
Since we broke above the China crash level at $4500, and especially since we broke to new highs above $5k very decisively, a crash does not seem to be in the cards in the near future without some kind of catastrophic news event, like bitcoin being banned in a major country.  I think we could easily see a retracement back to $5k to give that level a good vetting, but more than that does not seem likely right now.  I think that the segwit2x fork still has the potential to cause some major market gyrations, but I think we're still too far out from that to see much of an effect yet.
129  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Technical analysis on btc or better just rely on fundamentals and news? on: October 15, 2017, 11:07:21 AM

I have been trading in stocks for a while now and to be honest i'm just a few months old crypto tradee but what i have noticed is technical analysis most of the time do not work in cryptocurrency trading. Fibonacci does not work. MACD, RSI, MFI, and  Ichimoku do not work either. It's also hard to see chart patterns like elliot wave, head and shoulders etc. The crypto market is very volatile which has pros and cons.

 I usually just use support and resistance along  with moving averages  in my cryptocurency chart.

Relying in news is always great for a short period of time. Remember the China and Dimon news the market dipped for a few days and it is always a good opportunity to buy on price dips.
Really?  Which cryptos have you looked at?  I mostly just look at bitcoin, for which TA seems to work pretty well.  MACD-price divergences on a high enough time frame (hours) seem to indicate at least short-term reversals pretty well.  Support/resistance breaks commonly lead to a rush to the next level.  Like when we recently broke through resistance around $4500, price quickly shot up to almost $5000, as one would expect.  The same was true on the way down to $3000.  The initial run up to $5000 and subsequent drop formed a head-and-shoulders pattern.  It was a little sloppy, but it was there.  I'm not sure how well fibs and elliot waves work, but I'm not big on using those for any financial instrument.  Although I did find some use in fib extensions when trying to determine where price might stop or at least pause after it broke out above the previous high around $1100.

I usually check the coins that are I think are profitable. I know I am no expert in crypto currency trading and I consider my self in a new territory in crypto trading.  I do not know if Im not able to adopt to crypto charts or I need to view the charts differently.  I usually view my charts in weeks and months since that is my style in stocks. What timeframe you usually view your chart? 
Weeks and months--ok, yeah, that makes more sense then.  Cryptos are so ridiculously volatile that week/month charts for cryptos are probably like year/decade charts for stocks.  The highest I go is the daily chart.  I often go down to 30-min and occasionally even 5 min for extremely volatile times (like right now).

For trading purposes I think it's important to look only at the major ones.  The lesser/no-name ones that pump-pop-and-die don't really follow much in the way of predictable TA patterns.  I've pretty much just kept an eye on bitcoin.

I would also note that I'm not a huge trader, in part because I don't have time to watch the charts continuously.  But I have taken a few successful intra-day bitcoin trades (without losers), and I watch for MACD-price divergences a lot, and they look like they indicate directional exhaustion pretty well.
Thank's for the info man  i am going to check it in hours or in  minutes to be honest i never thought of that since i am very used to stock trading. I will try this trading style and check if it will work for me. If it doesnt i can always go back to the way i trade since it is working for me.

You're welcome.  But please be careful.  I haven't done any actual backtesting, so I don't have any statistics that definitely say that this is a great idea.  If you already have something that works, you may want to just stick with that.  As the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  One of the biggest mistakes traders can make is abandoning something that works for them for something they hope will be more profitable (which often ends up not being the case).
130  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin prices after 25 october on: October 15, 2017, 11:03:23 AM
I don't see why people are speculating with a dump after the 25th of October. It would happen after segwit2x hardfork in any case, not after Bitcoin Gold's hardfork.
Also consider this: if people dump their "bonus" coins after a fork, what are they going to do with the money they receive?  What if they use it to buy BTC?  Or what if they dump the "bonus" coins for BTC directly?  In either case you get the same result: more demand for BTC.  The result ends up being that BTC continues to go up in price after the fork.  Obviously this is just speculation, but it's something to keep in mind.
131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin reaching $10,000 worth is possible this year. on: October 15, 2017, 10:57:44 AM
Base on the current upward trend of bitcoin in recent time don't you think it is possible that bitcoin value will reach $10,000 in the nearest future? As for me I'm optimistic that bitcoin will reach $10,000 before end of December, 2017. And I believe that the sailing will start by November after Sewig2x. Do you agree with me?
The price is increasing steadily day by day, even with high volatility rates there is high hope for bitcoin to least touch the 6,500 mark if not 10,000. It still has to become more popular to hold its price.Due to low supply the price can still go higher.
Yes the increase is happening is still very possible at all. this is visible from the increasing number of bitcoin users, now the price increases from 4,000 $ to 5800 $ which only happens about a month. of course this has proved that bitcoin is now one of the most sought after investments by people. I see the most optimal conditions for an increase is at the price of 7,000 $. but it is also possible that the price could reach 10,000 $  by the end of 2017. all possibilities can still happen because sometimes bitcoin shows miracles to all of us.
You cannot expect a miracle from bitcoin. I do not the first year already trying to figure out why the price increases and do not understand. The only explanation I find is that the bitcoin pumped their money whales. The only logical way of capitalization of the bitcoin is mining. But this is not enough for such price increases. What will happen to bitcoin if the whales agree with each other and withdraw their capital? I can't imagine life without bitcoin so that it could earn rather than buy.
Investment is driving the price higher.  People see the price going up and want to get on the bandwagon, so they buy in, too, and the price climbs even more.  It doesn't have anything to do with mining.  If anything, mining decreases the price as miners sell the bitcoin they mine to cover their costs.

It's possible that the upcoming forks are decreasing the available supply of bitcoins for sale as owners hoard their coins so they can get the extra coins when the forks happen.  Decreased supply makes it even easier for price to rise.
132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin's rally really about BTG? on: October 15, 2017, 10:49:43 AM
If this coindesk article is to be believed, the recent rally is due to the upcoming forks:

https://www.coindesk.com/logical-not-bitcoins-coming-fork-boosting-price/

If this really is due to the bitcoin gold fork, it will be interesting to see what happens afterward (if the fork happens).  You might think that BTC will selloff, but if everyone is trying to get BTG so they can dump it to get more BTC, that might actually make BTC rally further.
133  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What are best sources to learn trading on: October 13, 2017, 08:38:47 PM
You can buy and read Forex books, it is impossible to trade without knowing Forex. first you need to specialize in reading charts later on forex.
To get knowledge about trading is not a small things but it require a lot of times and a lot of hard work with also a practical experience. In most of the countries there is a four year degree of doing business after that they will get knowledge about how to do trading. And there is a lot of sources that you can get some steps about trading like YouTube, and some other sites.
exactly if you are really aiming to learn differ efforts and hard works are in need, as far as I know its not a luck base predictions but a research base
analysis in how the project will moves, internet got a lots to offer youtube videos or blogs coming from those who already gain some knowledge are
also good basis to start learning this business.
Learn through the internet material there are a lot of literature available online about bitcoins and all the parts are described well there and YOUTUBE is one of the best sources to learn about trading and this thread show how determined peoples are nowadays because the want to complete their homework before getting into crypto and that’s a good approach.
Even if you are experienced trader you need to read and read there is a lot of advantages of reading so if you are have patience on it then there is nothing sources you need to overcome being updated too is a must i am probably agree with youtube you watching it may gives you a lit of knowledge.
Actually, I would disagree with this.  I think that reading/research is important until you find a trading system that works for you and continues to work under different market conditions (range, trend, etc.).  Once you do, that's it--you stick with that trading system.  Refine, optimize, and adjust it slowly over time as needed so that it continues to work.  There's no need to go looking for anything else.  There are a lot more systems that don't work than the number that do.  Once you find a successful one, don't give it up looking for a better one, which probably doesn't exist.  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin without China on: October 13, 2017, 11:48:58 AM
I believe the news leaks of the Chinese government's ban on Bitcoin trading and perhaps also Bitcoin mining are not FUD anymore. We have seen BTCC and ViaBTC releasing announcements that they will terminate their exchanges by the end of this month. The rest doubtlessly will also follow.

What will happen to "a Bitcoin" without China? Do we really need them to reach new highs?
Well, I guess the market has given us a resounding answer in the last day: China is no longer critical to making new highs.  Japan and South Korea seem to have filled in the space left by China, and the increased positive chatter from large financial institutions (e.g., Goldman Sachs) may well be drawing in new investors.  Additionally, just because China has shut down their exchanges, that doesn't mean that Chinese investors have sold all of their bitcoins.  They could still be holding, hoping that BTC -> Yuan trading will resume at some point.
135  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin prices after 25 october on: October 13, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
Does the price of bitcoin really have to drop after the bitcoin gold fork (if it happens)?  People may dump their bitcoin gold as quickly as they can to make something from it, but that doesn't mean that investors will necessarily be selling their BTC.  If for no other reason than because the price of bitcoin tends to do a lot of surprising things, we may end up with a rally after the fork.
136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin reaching $10,000 worth is possible this year. on: October 13, 2017, 11:33:14 AM
if price reaches $10,000 this year it means it has gone up about 900%!
i honestly don't know what to think of that. it would be a dangerous territory and i can go as far as call it a big bubble.

this is why i say $10k this year is impossible. bitcoin is nothing like the pump and dump altcoins, you can't even pump it that high. the market is too big for things like that. there will be a big sell off if price reaches higher prices that this. also there needs to be some new money coming in. and so far i don't see that happening more than current trend.
I think a good part of the answer has to do with the reason(s) behind this crazy ~$1k increase in the last day.  If it's just because we made another ATH, then I think $10k is going to be pretty hard to hit.  But if a significant part of it is because people are hoarding to get extra forked coins, then I think $10k might be possible even within the next week or two.  While bitcoin requires significantly more money to increase its price than other cryptos, it all comes down to supply and demand.  If exchange supply shrinks (e.g., if people are hoarding), then increased demand (e.g., for extra forked coins) will lead to an even greater rise in price than normal.  And with all of the recent talk of big institutions (e.g., Goldman Sachs) entering the crypto sphere, the extra attention may be attracting more investors/money.
137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin's rally really about BTG? on: October 13, 2017, 11:18:30 AM
Right now, I'm not exactly sure what to think of the surge to ~$5800.  These are the points I see in favor of it not being related to upcoming forks:

1. There has to be some newfound confidence in the market that we've gotten past China's issues.

2. You usually see some follow-through in a strong move that breaks to new highs.

3. Bouncing off $3k so quickly probably left a lot of traders hoping to get in (or get back in) around $3k.  And if they've been waiting for another drop to that level, the break of $4500 confirmed that that probably won't happen (any time soon, at least), which may be leading to a lot of panic buying.

But there are some things that make me wonder if upcoming forks may be playing a significant role:

1. As I said above, I would expect follow-through on a break to new highs.  But ~$1k in 24 hours, which is about a 20% increase, is a lot, even for bitcoin.  I think the break of the previous $1100 high was part of a move that was only about a 10% increase.  This makes me think it's more than just a break of the previous ATH.

2. Except for LTC, which seems to be an anomaly, almost all of the other cryptos are down double-digit percentages.  This suggests that a lot of people are dumping other cryptos to buy bitcoin.  This is a big change from earlier this year when everything was going up together.  This demand for bitcoin only makes me wonder if people aren't starting to hoard for extra forked coins.
138  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What are best sources to learn trading on: October 13, 2017, 06:36:07 AM
there are many methods to learn trading but it depends that which method suits you to learn trading,
1:- some people learn trading by just watch YouTube tutorials videos like me Tongue

2:- some learn trading through the expert one.

3:- some learn through articles and blogs.

4:- some learn through demo account of many trading sites like IQoption benefits their users to try demo account for free so they just make trading with temporary loss an profit just to get experience and knowledge.
I completely agree.  And sometimes you have to try out different methods to see which works the best for you.  And I think it's important to point out that you really should be able to learn to trade for free.  You shouldn't have to pay for expensive classes that are probably taught by people who aren't good traders themselves (if they are traders at all).  If you're going to spend money on something to help you learn to trade well, spend it on a mentor who has a long track record (that you can verify) of trading successfully--someone who can guide you personally and be an accountability partner for you.
139  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Technical analysis on btc or better just rely on fundamentals and news? on: October 13, 2017, 04:29:08 AM
I have been trading in stocks for a while now and to be honest i'm just a few months old crypto tradee but what i have noticed is technical analysis most of the time do not work in cryptocurrency trading. Fibonacci does not work. MACD, RSI, MFI, and  Ichimoku do not work either. It's also hard to see chart patterns like elliot wave, head and shoulders etc. The crypto market is very volatile which has pros and cons.

 I usually just use support and resistance along  with moving averages  in my cryptocurency chart.

Relying in news is always great for a short period of time. Remember the China and Dimon news the market dipped for a few days and it is always a good opportunity to buy on price dips.
Really?  Which cryptos have you looked at?  I mostly just look at bitcoin, for which TA seems to work pretty well.  MACD-price divergences on a high enough time frame (hours) seem to indicate at least short-term reversals pretty well.  Support/resistance breaks commonly lead to a rush to the next level.  Like when we recently broke through resistance around $4500, price quickly shot up to almost $5000, as one would expect.  The same was true on the way down to $3000.  The initial run up to $5000 and subsequent drop formed a head-and-shoulders pattern.  It was a little sloppy, but it was there.  I'm not sure how well fibs and elliot waves work, but I'm not big on using those for any financial instrument.  Although I did find some use in fib extensions when trying to determine where price might stop or at least pause after it broke out above the previous high around $1100.

I usually check the coins that are I think are profitable. I know I am no expert in crypto currency trading and I consider my self in a new territory in crypto trading.  I do not know if Im not able to adopt to crypto charts or I need to view the charts differently.  I usually view my charts in weeks and months since that is my style in stocks. What timeframe you usually view your chart? 
Weeks and months--ok, yeah, that makes more sense then.  Cryptos are so ridiculously volatile that week/month charts for cryptos are probably like year/decade charts for stocks.  The highest I go is the daily chart.  I often go down to 30-min and occasionally even 5 min for extremely volatile times (like right now).

For trading purposes I think it's important to look only at the major ones.  The lesser/no-name ones that pump-pop-and-die don't really follow much in the way of predictable TA patterns.  I've pretty much just kept an eye on bitcoin.

I would also note that I'm not a huge trader, in part because I don't have time to watch the charts continuously.  But I have taken a few successful intra-day bitcoin trades (without losers), and I watch for MACD-price divergences a lot, and they look like they indicate directional exhaustion pretty well.
140  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Day trade or Hodling on: October 12, 2017, 10:20:29 PM
It's hard to be consistent with day-trading.  If you're not, you will slowly (or maybe not so slowly) lose all of your capital.  Make sure you have a back-tested proven strategy if you're going to day-trade.  It's also tricky because you need to pay attention to the market all day long.  But, given the wild swings that bitcoin has, there's plenty of opportunity to profit.

Personally, I do a little bit of day- or short-term trading, but for most of my cryptos, I either hold or hodl for a while. Smiley
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