|
[/quote]
I'd like to believe we're above writing an article entirely consisting of bad jokes for it's own sake.
[/quote]
It was an example to show that garbage can get more page views than something of quality, and therefore pageviews shouldn't be uses to assess the quality.
|
|
|
|
How do you post a picture on Devtome?
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=freud_s Like I did here? [[http://www.tinypic.com|{{http://i34.tinypic.com/15ewunl.jpg}}]] Was the code I used EDIT: If you ever have a question like that, click the little syntax link at the top of the editing page |
|
|
|
No I disagree, something can be of high quality but people may not find it interesting. I could write a page of a bunch of bad jokes that would get plenty of page views, but it wouldn't be high quality
EXACTLY. Example, this page has the most potential of any on Devtome  http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=cat_meme_pageHe gets it. Someone goes in there and posts 100 pictures found on google of cat memes, and gets a share, vs someone who spends plenty of time writing original content to get the same share. And the cat memes will always come out ahead in pageviews. |
|
|
|
] Third, I do believe that there should be some incentive for quality work, but then you would have to pay someone every round to read through and place articles in a tier of their quality. Well, again, the purpose of devtome is to attract pageviews, so one can just measure unique pageviews and give some bonus to top 10%, for example... Of course, there needs to be some quality check... But I don't think it is hard to manage such stuff... It takes way more time to keep up with this humongous thread Hahaha true that. I have to spend a decent amount of time catching up on this thread every time I step away from it. I don't mind there being restrictions on shares given out. And I agree with the importance of quality, that said, quality will eventually rate itself through pageviews, no? I think the less artificial restrictions we place on the system, the better it will be in the end. We should be writing quality material anyway, not just to make even more money out of something that is very profitable.
No I disagree, something can be of high quality but people may not find it interesting. I could write a page of a bunch of bad jokes that would get plenty of page views, but it wouldn't be high quality |
|
|
|
|
Firstly, I agree with an 80,000 word limit or 80 shares per round.
Secondly, I think it is too early in the game to drop the pay rate.
Third, I do believe that there should be some incentive for quality work, but then you would have to pay someone every round to read through and place articles in a tier of their quality.
Lastly, I DON'T agree that everyone can pump out 1000 words every hour or two. My research on Sigmund Freud and Ivan Pavlov take a lot of time and effort. It's not me just writing whatever comes to mind.
|
|
|
|
I just thought of a flaw that could be executed to get paid multiple times for the same piece of work.
I'll use some of my work as an example:
My article titled Pavlov, I lets say the script runs, pays me for it, then I change it to Pavlov, Ivan. It would recognize that as a new page the next time the script is run. Can anyone think of how to prevent this? And if it can't be prevented, then I would propose that anyone caught doing this shall be banned from devtome forever.
Implementation flaw if it happens. Consider, we maintain a total number of words so far per writer. You move your article, Now the old aritcle is zero words and the new one all the words from old one. Your new total words is still the same as your old total words... This assumes tracking how many words each author had last around, and counting up their entire ouvre each time around. In short, we don't just go counting purportedly new stuff, we add up from scratch their entire body of contributions. -MarkM- Okay, this is true, because as I recall, you get paid for words you add to articles after rounds' end. Just kind of popped in to my head, I didn't really consider these facts before posting my worries. |
|
|
|
|
I just thought of a flaw that could be executed to get paid multiple times for the same piece of work.
I'll use some of my work as an example:
My article titled Pavlov, I lets say the script runs, pays me for it, then I change it to Pavlov, Ivan. It would recognize that as a new page the next time the script is run. Can anyone think of how to prevent this? And if it can't be prevented, then I would propose that anyone caught doing this shall be banned from devtome forever.
|
|
|
|
Devtome writers--
I sent an email to unthinkingbit this morning explaining that yes there were some articles that were posted that we not mine and they have since been removed. However, I stand by my original submissions namely:
DODMERB_Cloud_Computing
Identity and Access Management
Navy Cloud Computing
Zachman Framework Implementation
Software Assurance
There were written for coursework taken in a graduate program that I recently completed. I do not condone plagarism and wish to continue contributing to Devtome should you allow me. I do apologize that I did not safeguard my account as diligently as I should have and take full responsibility for actions taken in my absence. I fully realize that in order to produce a quality work, there must be a quality reputation.
Please feel free to contact me directly via personal message should you have any questions.
I had the same issue regarding a legal article I posted. I removed it, but plan on writing in my own words the laws which it described. |
|
|
|
And I think people will flood in, but don't think too many people are just going to "Cash out and leave" because they can come back every month and make more. Not with their entire lifetime ouvre of previously written work they can't, if they already posted the whole shebang during their first round. They'd sign up, dump their entire lifetime's accumulated writings (maybe from back in their college days when they actually did write stuff), dump the resulting coins for cash or bitcoins and not be back (because writing isn't even something they do, it is something the youth they once were once did...) -MarkM- Again, I know it is possible. I just don't think it will happen enough to matter, maybe 1 guy out of every 100. This is a generation of Bloggers and Online Critics. This is what people are WAITING for. But it only takes that one guy to hurt the rest of the community for a long time to come. |
|
|
|
And I think people will flood in, but don't think too many people are just going to "Cash out and leave" because they can come back every month and make more. Not with their entire lifetime ouvre of previously written work they can't, if they already posted the whole shebang during their first round. They'd sign up, dump their entire lifetime's accumulated writings (maybe from back in their college days when they actually did write stuff), dump the resulting coins for cash or bitcoins and not be back (because writing isn't even something they do, it is something the youth they once were once did...) -MarkM- And this is exactly more like what I was trying to get across. |
|
|
|
2) I don't think it is possible to get 100,000,000 coins...
A round is 180,000,000 coins; not sure if that is before or after the miners take their 10%. Oh duh it'd be after, else it'd be 200,000,000 coins. Silly me. Elementary math. -MarkM- Yeah it's "possible" but I don't think 100,000,000 coins for one person in a round (besides unthinkingbit) is achievable. It was an example. The numbers can be whatever you want. |
|
|
|
Yes, exactly. If Stephen King decides to donate all his novels to Devtome, he can post the 30 or 50 or whatever is decided thousands of words per round directly to the devtome through the next umpteen decades, along with articles about his miraculous rejuvenation treatments that allow him to live long enough, and/or we can spawn an "entire works of literature hosted in their entirety" site alongside devtome where he can plop an entire novel at a time at maybe a share per novel plus advertising revenue, or whatever compromise we need to come up with to get our hands on such a popular body of work. -MarkM- Right, but Stephen King, just a hunch, probably isn't looking to make DVC by posting his novels to a small site for the rest of his life. He has his career and his money. I, on the other hand, am a college student full time, that isn't employed for that fact, and this is a way for me to make a little extra money, it's more of an investment though, because I'm not going to take my DVC and cash them out, I am going to save them, give some away, and other things to help the market grow, then after a while, if I need $100 I can just sell off $100 worth of DVC. |
|
|
|
I agree that a limit would benefit the community, it would provide a more sustained growth of devtome, rather than extremely large amounts of information being added in spurts. I think this should all wait until next round though, It's like changing the rules of a game half way through the game.
I don't think information will ever be added to Devtome in spurts again, 1) I am not leaving 2) I think traffic is just gonna go up from here. Right, but let's say someone else like you, who has tons of material to post shows up and blasts devtome with 200,000 words. I agree that traffic will continue to grow, but I don't want to see a "pump and dump" scenario happen. Someone (with bad intentions) comes in and grabs up those 100,000,000 DVC, sells them right after for BTC or USD or whatever, that floods the market and thus we will see it crash. |
|
|
|
I think a limit of 20 or 30 shares per month for writing isn't a bad idea - but I don't think there should be any other limits except this. Some people are no doubt sitting on many, many thousands of words of work and if one person uploads it all to Devtome in one month it could cause a crash of sorts and share value will plummet. The smart thing for anyone to do is space out their work and not add more than 50 000 words in one month anyway - but I don't think all people can be strategic about it in this way.
I think some stability (or more gradual reduction in value over time) of generation share value is actually a good thing and would in the best interests of Devtome, Devcoin, and the writers.
Per month or per round? Because the time to make it through a round can fluctuate based on the hashrate of the network, whereas a month is a static time, so lets say the network slows down and it takes 2 months to make it through a round, there would still be people who could obtain their 60 shares a round which seems to have people bothered right now. Sorry, I mean per round. I mean I felt like my 30 shares was more than enough, and wouldn't try and earn more than that in one round for everyone's sake, I think 100+ going to one person is unfair on everyone else in the Devcoin project who also works hard for their generation shares. But, maybe I will have to do 100 000 words next round to keep up!  I agree that a limit would benefit the community, it would provide a more sustained growth of devtome, rather than extremely large amounts of information being added in spurts. I think this should all wait until next round though, It's like changing the rules of a game half way through the game. |
|
|
|
It looks like I'm cloned successfully  Oh, no sir. I know who you are. I have had my net handle for at least 7 years. I have no affiliation with you. And my screen name was meant to have no reference to the novel by Lawrence Durrell. It's a joke, don't worry  No worries on my end. |
|
|
|
I think a limit of 20 or 30 shares per month for writing isn't a bad idea - but I don't think there should be any other limits except this. Some people are no doubt sitting on many, many thousands of words of work and if one person uploads it all to Devtome in one month it could cause a crash of sorts and share value will plummet. The smart thing for anyone to do is space out their work and not add more than 50 000 words in one month anyway - but I don't think all people can be strategic about it in this way.
I think some stability (or more gradual reduction in value over time) of generation share value is actually a good thing and would in the best interests of Devtome, Devcoin, and the writers.
Per month or per round? Because the time to make it through a round can fluctuate based on the hashrate of the network, whereas a month is a static time, so lets say the network slows down and it takes 2 months to make it through a round, there would still be people who could obtain their 60 shares a round which seems to have people bothered right now. |
|
|
|
It looks like I'm cloned successfully Oh, no sir. I know who you are. I have had my net handle for at least 7 years. I have no affiliation with you. And my screen name was meant to have no reference to the novel by Lawrence Durrell. |
|
|
|
Well at least Freud, if not also Pavlov (though actually, I think Pavlov too) appear in a possibly surprising amount of fiction. I believe for example Sigmund is almost certainly a holodeck character in the standard libraries of the Federation's starships, and very likely Pavlov is too. So nice picks, one thing I really like (but some people might be really bugged by) is the way the whole devtome can so freely cross back and forth across "the fourth wall" and the "distinction" between "fact" and "fiction". (Siggy and Pavlov are famous characters from the huge body of fiction found throughout the Galactic Milieu that is of the genres "fiction about the mythical 'planet known as Earth'" and "fiction attributed to authors purported to themselves be from the planet known as Earth". In those genres it is a standard literary conceit to write as if "the planet known as Earth" actually existed and possibly even still exists.) -MarkM- I don't know anything about the Galactic Milieu, but plan to read up on it. My writings are of the actual psychologists, who did actual studies, and came up with actual ideas that are still referenced and regarded in todays psychological studies. |
|
|
|
It is the complete script of a free open source television program? Or a copyrighted script whose author has not donated it to the public domain or open source license? Is it "fair use" excerpt or simple unauthorised transcript? Maybe fan sites customarily post entire transacripts of episodes, but also many or most fan sites are actually illegal, its just that sometimes it profits a company not to get around to crushing them until they start to become lost revenue/traffic instead of increased revenue/traffic/PR. Using speech recognistion to transcribe telly sounds like a great way to generate oodles of writing though, cool idea. I wonder if search engines woud find the results more "relevant" than the search engine's own output pages, that ocne upon a time were the most delectable spider-bait you could create? -MarkM- many thanks for your reply Markm, Ok little digging round turns out to be a fiction book finshaggy is writing ... OP here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180352.0this raises the question of fictional content going onto devtome... i thought you can only be paid for non fiction articles? My views would be: if a trans-script of an open source TV program then this should get 3/5 share for collated work, if a complete trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should NOT be allowed, if a part trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should be allowed within reason... say limit the earnings to max 1 share, or 3/5 share Yeah the speech recognition software is something that I do have access to and did consider using but thought it an improper use of such software and would easily rack me up 100,000's of words easily, but would just spam devtome with lots of very random content so I did not think this in the underlying spirit of devcoin but the issue needs to be addressed as not all will be as fair playing as I. Depends what we are after though? lots of content with high search hits, or good content with high search hits... think the credibility of the site is something that is more important in my view at the current time. FuzzyBear PS want to chime in and say sorry finshaggy for pointing out this out and sorry if u loose some shares you felt entitled to, but u have written a LOT and kinda drawn attention to yourself but keep up the good work all this needs to be addressed and sorted out before we have 1000 articles posted a day on such topics and the admins can't read and source all of these. Again i'm sure i'll write up an article for clarification on what is acceptable writing and what is not as few emails I have received on such issues and few posts in this thread regarding such issues. I have been writing about Sigmund Freud and Ivan Pavlov in the non-fiction sense. This obviously has nothing to do with DVC, but it is not fictional material. If devtome was kept as only a source for information regarding DVC and the development of it, I believe that the wiki would be small, and the amount of traffic it receives would reflect similarly. I think that there should be a very broad range of things written about to draw in a very broad crowd. If someone finds the wiki because they want to know about Sigmund Freud, and ends up poking around and learning about DVC and what devtome is actually about, I consider that a plus. The more traffic the better Albeit the content has to be good, or else it looks like a little kids playground of gibberish. |
|
|
|
I added a post with a list of shit I'm selling. |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
