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121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Circle be doing any prime time Television Ad? Here's why they must on: October 05, 2014, 05:38:37 PM
I think they will advertising on some media (But not on TV, because it's too expensive)
Because they have very good service  Smiley

And maybe will help BTC price up

TV advertising is generally the most efficient in terms of the percentage of people who actually pay attention to the advertisement. It is expensive in whole terms because you will need to reach a large number of people in all circumstances.

I think they will most likely rely on word of mouth for their initial growth, just as coinbase did and how most other exchanges have done
122  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onedice.me is a scam | RandyFolds Sold account on: October 05, 2014, 05:34:57 PM
3) The investment model seems broken.

Can you post the TXIDs of when you sent money to "invest" (and hopefully the TXID of when you withdrew your profits)?

No, I can't, because why on earth would anyone send any money to this site? I certainly didn't.
I see now that it says on their website that .1 BTC for one share or .001% ownership.

Your post semi implied that you sent .1 to test the investment feature.

Another flaw in the investment feature is that the bankroll will go up and down.  Say for example the bankroll was 10k BTC now and someone invests 1k BTC making the bankroll now 11k BTC, this would mean that you should need .11 BTC to purchase .001% ownership. By offering the price of one share at a static price, they are essentially shorting investors who put money in when the bankroll was smaller.
123  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin craze dying down? on: October 05, 2014, 05:23:45 PM
I dont know how is going adoption, but some people think it is dying, just because there are no headlines in news about bitcoin. But those people will be waken up in few years, and will regret, that they were just waiting on sidelines, for news people to tell them what is going on in real world.

User adoption is moving slowly but it's not dying. We need an idea for something everyone will want but can only be purchased with Bitcoin. Like the next big fad. POGs or Beanie Babies but for Bitcoin. Once people have learned how easy it is to use Bitcoin with Circle many of them will use it again.

Some alt-coin shake-out has to happen . So much dead money in alt-coins it could drag some of BTC down.

Maybe but I see altcoins as more pump n dump coins for children. I'm surprised we haven't seen one called BeerMoneyCoin or AllowanceNotEnoughCoin. Most of the dumbasses are pumping on bad clones of even worse scrypt based shitcoins. I don't know why these kids think you can clone a turd and think it's suddenly going to smell like a rose. I doubt many first time users are purchasing anything with most of the altcoins. Mr. Normal Citizen is not going to use Dogecoin or Darkcoin to buy from Overstock even if they could. Bitcoin is alone in name recognition and availability.
I don't think that children are making the altcoins, as the devs need to have some level of programming expertise to make and launch an altcoin.

The creators want to at least an appearance of the alt coin having value, although I do agree that they are nothing more then scams
124  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Choices for earning BTC interest on: October 05, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
Saw pythonista's post, "It's time to earn interest on Bitcoin holdings"  url https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774109.0
Thought some of you might want to know Chinese exchange markets' movements in this direction.

Holders like me have several choices to invest bitcoins now:
Huobi's BitVC (or YuBiBao in Chinese), OKCoins's BiShengBi, and ChinaBTC's JUA. All of them are from top exchange markets in China.
Personally I recommend ChinaBTC's JUA, at about 0.025% daily interest for current deposit, 1.3~1.4% monthly for fixed deposit (not available now).
They're betting that Bitcoin will go down. That's been a good bet for the last 9 months.
No, they are giving people incentives to have bitcoin be on deposit with them. It is widely speculated that they are stealing parts of customer deposits to pay for their expenses and paying interest on customer deposits makes it easier for this to continue for long periods of time

I also had the same concern. So I kept on tracking their cold wallet balance.
Up to now, everything seems normal and legit:
10741.99002001 BTC

https://blockchain.info/address/1CyAr95iiyPMDEfe48NZGQti3BSSwBsUsw
https://blockchain.info/address/1Zz1iN9QaxaiBM735nQLRGxtV46cWqWxT

Just because they have money in their cold wallet does not mean that they have enough to cover all the customer balances nor that they will not run away when the total customer balances get large enough. All this means is that a lot of other people trust them with their bitcoin

It's good to stay alert. But now in terms of trading volumn, Chinese exchanges dominates global btc market. Personally I don't recall any major Chinese exchange run away, even when they were richest (btc ~$1000).
It is not a question as to how much the price of bitcoin is, it is a question of the dollar value of all the bitcoin that is controlled by the exchange. If bitcoin is now trading at $300 but an exchange has 10x as much bitcoin in their control then the exchange would make out better by waiting to gain confidence
125  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: So what is a scammer exactly? on: October 05, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
Someone who makes claims that cannot be sustained by facts.
I wouldn't say that someone who speculates (someone who makes claims not supported by facts) is a scammer. I think this is much too broad. Even if they are not speculating and trying to pass something as a fact, they could easily simply be wrong or misinformed.

I would consider a scammer to be someone who tries to get money by misleading someone as to the circumstances (usually by having the other person sending money or goods "first")
126  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: OpenBazaar - decentralized eBay on: October 05, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
Scammers are everywhere and they will be! It's about law and speed of his executing. In point where Cryptos are now, that's very difficult..

Hurry up with the opening, because the price of BTC will fall to the basement! Cheesy
I can not wait to test the page!
I wish you BIG success with this project!
I don't think that the opening of open brazaar will cause the price of bitcoin to decline. Can you eliberate?

I agree that the site will be full of scammers and there will be little way to police them and little way to make others aware of their scams
127  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onedice.me is a scam | RandyFolds Sold account on: October 05, 2014, 04:56:32 PM
I posted in the self-moderated thread, but in case it gets deleted I'll post here too:


3) The investment model seems broken. For 0.1 BTC you get 0.001% of the profits. That would be fair if the bankroll was 10,000 BTC but I very much doubt it is. Suppose the true bankroll is 1,000 BTC. That means the site is paying out 10,000 times 0.001% or just 10% of their profits to investors, and taking 10% commission on that. The net result is that the site only pays out 9% of their profits and keeps the remaining 91%. That would be fair if the site themselves had bought the other 90,000 "shares", and 9,000 BTC in a cold wallet to back that up with, but that seems unlikely. I mean there's nothing wrong with this model, but it's a very bad deal indeed for investors compared to other sites.
Can you post the TXIDs of when you sent money to "invest" (and hopefully the TXID of when you withdrew your profits)? There is a scam accusation that someone purchased a default trust account to backup the purchased account with positive trust. This person is claiming to have invested 360 BTC in the site and if your bitcoin moved to what could be their cold storage then this could be disproved.
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bitcoin Selloff Continues on: October 05, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
This price collapse is causing serious problems for any miners who have held a significant number of bitcoins since their income is counted on the day of mining but now if they sell it off they can only get half what they "earned" which is horrible.  The IRS tax rules on bitcoin have basically forced all miners to dump as soon as the coins as mined.  Well, whatever, maybe it'll be an opportunity to get in on the cheap now.

wrong..
i mentioned why in multiple topics panicking about the price drop. so ill just paste this snippit


as for miners. out of the 3600 coins produced a day, estimates are that only 600 is cashed out to fiat. the rest is hoarded. and of that 600 cashed out very little of it is done on the public crappy exchanges.
example of 2 separate miners on different block rewards
https://blockchain.info/address/19vvtxUpbidB8MT5CsSYYTBEjMRnowSZj4
~6000 coins earned from mining
~5000 coins NOT SPENT

https://blockchain.info/address/1GcF7j3YH8Qs8hvNEe7zbrQZftMU6sRLfu
~5000 coins earned from mining
~3500 coins not spent


miners are HOARDING not selling. the reason:
if i had $10million and wanted bitcoin. i cant simply throw it into a crappy exchange and buy coins. so i by rigs and pay my electric with the $10mill. and keep the coins.

anyone selling bitcoins after mining are dumb, and definitely not bitcoin investors.. infact you should treat them as electric company investors as the end result is no bitcoins, no fiat. and only a piece of paper that says they paid a large amount of money to an electric company.

so if your one of these people cashing out over 50% of your hoard... slap yourself with a wet fish and change your mindset
Most miners have reached their investment limit when they purchase their machines and are unable to invest more. As a result they have to sell enough bitcoin to pay for their electric costs.

Also it is much more risky to invest in a miner with the intention of using it to buy bitcoin because the difficulty will rise (most likely) and will eventually make it so it costs more electricity then a miner can produce in bitcoin making it rational to stop mining (as the miner could buy on an exchange instead of continuing to mine)
129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PETITION AMAZON: 4,317 have signed, 683 more to make 5000! on: October 05, 2014, 04:39:17 PM
I want to sign, but is change.org going to send me an email per week for the rest of my life?
Yes, and the emails are asking you to sign the craziest liberal petitions.

I have signed however I do not think amazon will make a business decision based on a petition (although they may use it to gauge interest)
130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A future of high transaction fees? on: October 05, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
Back last December when the price was at $1200 miners were going nuts trying to buy equipment and get ASICs going and now we have it: huge farms of ASIC driving the difficulty relentlessly higher. The problem with this is that if the price falls, say down to $200 or whatever, equipment and electricity costs for some miners may no longer be feasible and they will have to turn out the lights. This will leave a smaller pool of miners around. Even for this pool, however, the difficulty does not decrease, it only increases.
Huh Why would the difficulty increase if there are less miners on the network? Would the miners left be more efficient and increase their hashrate? Does the luck of the remaining miners go up?

In case you do not know how difficulty works (you don't), every 2016 blocks the network readjusts so that if the hashrate stays where it was on average over the last 2016 blocks, then it would take exactly 14 days to mine an additional 2016 blocks. This has almost always meant an increase in the difficulty in the past, however with 100% luck and a decreasing hashrate then the difficulty would go down
131  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POW vs POS? on: October 05, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
Not sure what you mean, you'll need to talk in more detail how is this an attack on their own currency, how do you know with certainty that something is a false benefit, while stakeholders believe otherwise?

Are you unaware that many large BTSX/PTS stakeholders, and Invictus developers are currently right now negotiating a marketing affiliate plan with banks which will be likely funded either with another direct or indirect method of devaluation of everyone's stake ?
This is probably not true (LOL) however it is a good point that the large stakeholders could potentially all be the same person (or group of people working together) who can potentially attack the network for free.

If it does not cost anything to mine then it does not cost anything to attack the network
132  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Could Bitcoin Evolve? on: October 05, 2014, 04:08:05 PM
The ASIC attack: design a cheaper, faster, more efficient ASIC. Fund it with someone that wants to spend millions to destroy Bitcoin. Create more ASICs and flood the general market because you don't want to go out of business if your market dries up. Bad agent is unable to attack Bitcoin. Bad agent changes strategy to make Bitcoins instead. Everybody wins.
This is why PoW is superior to PoS. Since you now need to make some kind of initial investment in miners in order to mine, you have a vested interest in seeing the coin you are mining succeed (since it is all that you can mine with an ASIC).
133  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Caution - Large scale phishing attempt (targeting blockchain.info wallets) on: October 05, 2014, 04:04:14 PM
Seems to be a genuine phishing attack. Read OP's link above. ^^^

Quote
Typing in a valid Blockchain Identifier brings you to "https://bbckchain.info". Obviously, do not click this link.

Wait, I don't understand this part.  Huh

If I copy paste my identifier, the one which is provided when you make a blockchain wallet, it can't take u to bbockchain mentioned above, can it?

I mean copy pasting the entire link into the address bar, blockchain.info/wallet/ --identifier--
When you log into your blockchain.info wallet you should manually type in the address into your browser (I would not even use bookmarks) and if your identifier is not prefilled (because of the lack of cookies) then you should copy/paste your identifier into the identifier field to login.
134  Economy / Economics / Re: Reasons to HODL! on: October 05, 2014, 04:01:53 PM
Agreed. Market manipulation right now, plain and simple... The manipulators make bag holders and want you to sell so they can scoop up all the cheap coins and then drive the price back up. Rinse and repeat. Smart money is buying right now, not selling...

Every time this happens we get the parrots squawking about how Bitcoin is dead and about how many problems it has. Ignore them.
I am not so sure about market manipulation. The life cycle of the value of something like bitcoin is something that economists have likely never seen before as it is essentially the first of it's kind.

I think what we are seeing now is people selling via merchants who would not have otherwise sold. This is resulting in the miners having more of an incentive to sell because their costs are denominated in dollars (electricity).

I think the above will also result in more merchants start to accept bitcoin which will lead to more short term price declines. However over the long term it will lead to more people adapting bitcoin and using it on a regular basis which will cause long term price increases.
135  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Manipulation by unregulated exchanges to generate fees on: October 05, 2014, 03:44:12 PM
The beauty of a free market is that the prices will find their "correct level" even if unregulated exchanges are attempting to manipulate. For example, if they are using bots to buy up cheap coins, then this is a chance for others to also place orders and Buy while the prices are so low.
I think the OP is implying that exchanges are essentially "naked shorting" bitcoin which is causing the price of bitcoin to fall. The OP is hoping that the price falling will cause more people to trade in a panic, which would cause the price to fall even further.

I personally do not think this is the case as exchanges would need to take on huge risks to do this and each exchange does not have a huge influence over the market so if one exchange was doing this then it would likely not be successful in manipulating the price.
136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some publicly traded sports groups have stock for sale on: October 05, 2014, 03:34:12 PM
A sports teams' primary source of income is advertising, massive, massive amounts of advertising, it's not the kind of thing you'd invest in if you were looking for a long term business that actually produces stuff for economies.
I would disagree. If a sports team can build it's fan base and increase attendance to their games then more people will see advertisements that are sold by the team. When more people see the advertisements then advertisers will pay more.

It is a very complex business and increasing revenue is more complicated then selling a better product
137  Economy / Lending / Re: Loan requested - Business startup on: October 05, 2014, 03:17:34 PM
So.. will you be sending this guy 13btc?  Or just a percentage?  Or was I correct in that this is an unsafe loan?

He has 495 trades on eBay with 100% positive feedback. He's opening a bricks-and-mortar shop to expand his business, I called 2 of the neighbouring shops to verify it actually exists.

Yes, I'll be lending him a substantial amount of my money. He's not asking anyone to send him 13btc. So no, you're not correct. Compared to other loans, he is a fairly good risk.

You've given people negative feedback because you don't like how other websites operate. You behaviour is immature and ridiculous.

Have you finished carrying on as the bitcoin lending police yet?

Dude - sounds like a concrete investment!

Have you invested 13btc yet?  If not, can you tell the rest of the investors why not?  He has 495 trades!  

Edit:  Nope, he hasn't invested anything yet.   Undecided
Maybe glen is an alt/sockpuppet of the OP. He seems to be the only one cheering on the OP and who "vouched" for him and claimed to have spoken to other business owners near his business.

Borrowing on BTCJam for this purpose is going to be more expensive and less likely to get funded then borrowing on a site like prosper that lends out fiat (which is what the OP wishes to spend).
138  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: FTC: Butterfly Labs Held Back Shipments for Illicit Mining on: October 05, 2014, 03:51:44 AM
The price of bitcoin had fallen by several percentage points right around the time that BFL was supposedly getting raided. I wonder if they were trying to sell their bitcoin on exchanges (ether as BFL, or trying to hide their identity) right after this occurred.

I'd think it would be even safer if they just stashed BTC away, offline, and hid them all over.  No way anyone would be able to find them.

Cash on the other hand I think is much easier to find.
It is implied that the mining was done to benefit the owners of BFL. I would not be surprised if the record keeping that they did was less then perfect. (I also suspect that they mined for "their own account" for a lot longer then the 2 days that is alleged in the complaint). If the record keeping was sloppy then they could have easily made it look like their pool was sending mined bitcoin to users of their pool when it really was going to themselves; this would make it easy to hide the ill gotten bitcoin.

If in the owners "personal" possession then both cash and bitcoin could easily be claimed to be the personal property of the owner an to have nothing to do with their ownership of BFL (this is especially true with bitcoin if they has utilized bitcoinfog or some other mixer)
139  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Australian Govt. form asks if I own any Bitcoin of Cryptocurrency on: October 05, 2014, 03:44:45 AM
It doesn't really matter about what I say on the form now, it is completely legal for the Australia Secret Police to enter my house unannounced, install a bitcoin wallet on my computer, notify the welfare authorities, and if I tell anyone what happened I could face 10 years in jail.


edit. They could also shoot me and all my family and they can't be prosecuted and any journalist that reports on it can also receive 10 years in jail
This is not true. And even if they did install a wallet on your computer it would not cause you to own any bitcoin because a wallet is just something that keeps track of your bitcoin not something that you can only have if you own bitcoin.

Just like you can have a traditional wallet that you keep in you pocket without any cash in it, you can have a bitcoin wallet without any bitcoin in it. There is a very good reason as to why you would want this - you would be helping secure the network by relying transactions of other nodes
140  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin-Tutorials.com Signature Campaign! ☀ [OPEN for Newbies and Jr. Members] on: October 05, 2014, 03:38:00 AM
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