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121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1.35 billion people won't adopt Bitcoin on: April 29, 2013, 03:43:15 AM
Chinese will love bitcoin.
122  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help lushan - First public bitcoin donation in China for lushan earthquake on: April 28, 2013, 05:04:45 PM
The 2nd phase was ended.

Due to several legal issues, I decided not to start an auction of 3D printed Bitcoins.

The amount of Bitcoin is exchanged to RMB by myself, with the highest rate during the donation period ($167), and adding up some changes, equivalent to ¥33,000。(31.54615348 *167 * 6.14 = 32346.7948)

See details in Chinese:
http://lixiaolai.com/first-public-charity-donation-in-china-for-lushan-3rd-phase
123  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin Meeting In Beijing... on: April 28, 2013, 03:54:16 PM
Topic: My personal experience on Bitcoin.

It's me:



It's the site:



One of the most exciting experiences is donation for lushan earthquake. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181336

124  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin the Bubblecoin on: April 27, 2013, 04:20:56 AM
I've been talking with a friend of mine for over two years about investing in Bitcoin. He is not at all interested. He calls it bubblecoin and has a point. Bitcoin will always trade at plus or minus 50% or more and will never stabilize. There is no plan to create any stabilizing factor. Simply expanding the user base will not stop people from pumping and dumping and causing panics. If this were true, then small countries would generally have unstable currencies and large countries would have stable currencies.

Price is psychological and there are no psychological tools to create faith in the price stability, nor is there even any discussion about it. Psychology, sociology, and economics uses statistics to create useful tools. Bitcoin uses "invisible hands" of the free market. Analysts use statistics to look at the market, but their results are not peer reviewed, nor even publicly available. Market analysts are the soothsayers of economics. We need a useful predictive tool for Bitcoin price that is useful for business.

Don't take bitcoin as an investing tool, which is too dangerous to even think of.

Regard bitcoin as a revolution of society and investigation of an idea, which is much better to be more serious.
125  Economy / Marketplace / Re: What's ideal to buy & sell with bitcoin? on: April 27, 2013, 04:18:42 AM
How about web hosting and development and VPN services? 

I think this is a good choice. since vpn has some intrinsic properties same as bitcoin does.
126  Economy / Marketplace / What's ideal to buy & sell with bitcoin? on: April 27, 2013, 04:07:57 AM
While some always question whether bitcoin is suitable to buy some necessities such as foods or other goods, I believe bitcoin has long been buying/selling the most essential goods in the world, currencies, including Dollars, Pounds, Yens... by which perhaps anything can be bought.

However, the most suitable goods traded with bitcion?

I do think the best things we can buy and sell with bitcoin are virtual goods and services, such as...

  • video files
  • ebooks
  • online casino chips
  • game currencies
  • membership of online services

pls give me more brainstorming, to add more possibilities...
127  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? on: April 26, 2013, 02:51:23 PM
That's a string of nonsense. In essence there is no product.
Hope they'll sell some products soon, or else I'll hold a same opinion as yours.
128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? What is the product? on: April 26, 2013, 02:14:44 PM
If I'm not wrong, I've banned some of their owners here for spamming this site everywhere.

The owner of btcmlm asked me to contact you, and he wants to know what he should do to recover his bitcointalk.org account. He said, I quote:




What happened to his site, the btcmlm dot org?

I've just got his reply. He is hesitating which to put into main domain, btcmlm.org or btcmlm.com; the site is now on btcmlm.com; but btcmlm.org is still offline.


What are the products they are promoting?


___________________________________________________________________

They have this:

Compensations

    A Level 1 member will get 30% of compensation from his or her own selling and recruiting immediately after the payment is confirmed.
    Besides 30% of compensation from his or her own selling and recruiting, a level 2 member will also get 5% of compensation from the selling and recruiting of his or her 2nd level downlines.
    Besides 30% of compensation from his or her own selling and recruiting, a level 3 member will also get 5% of compensation from the selling and recruiting of his or her 2nd level downlines, and 5% from those of 3rd level downlines.
    ......
    Besides 30% of compensation from his or her own selling and recruiting, a level 11 member will also get 5% of compensation from the selling and recruiting of his or her 2nd level to 11th level downlines.


I focused on this:

Quote
BTCMLM Development Stages
Stage 1: Open registration
BTCMLM will only release 21 initial invitations, and that’s all. No initial invitation will ever be added within one year. After that, BTCMLM will release only 12 more invitations each year.

Everyone interested in joining BTCMLM, should have valid invitation code to register successfully.

Commissions will be sent according to systematic calculation every 24 hours. (GTM00:00) (See detail commission plan)

Stage 2: Open APIs
After BTCMLM has more than 2,100 registered members, we’ll release BTCMLM APIs to the public, by which developers can sell their own virtual products or services through the formidable BTCMLM sales force.

At the same time, BTCMLM will exhaust every possibility of cooperating with online companies who have already accepted BTC as regular payment, and sell their virtual products and services.

And, this means members of BTCMLM will have an endless stream of virtual products and services to sell, which means continuous profiting possibilities.

Stage 3: Go IPO in the Bitcoin community
After BTCMLM has more than 21,000 registered members, BTCMLM will sell 10% shares to the public, and the first 21,000 members of MLM have preferential rights to buy the shares. BTCMLM will always publish its revenue book in real time after its initial launching.
129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? So what happened to his site? on: April 26, 2013, 03:50:24 AM
If I'm not wrong, I've banned some of their owners here for spamming this site everywhere.

The owner of btcmlm asked me to contact you, and he wants to know what he should do to recover his bitcointalk.org account. He said, I quote:




What happened to his site, the btcmlm dot org?

I've just got his reply. He is hesitating which to put into main domain, btcmlm.org or btcmlm.com; the site is now on btcmlm.com; but btcmlm.org is still offline.
130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? What is the link? on: April 26, 2013, 02:08:39 AM
If I'm not wrong, I've banned some of their owners here for spamming this site everywhere.

The owner of btcmlm asked me to contact you, and he wants to know what he should do to recover his bitcointalk.org account. He said, I quote:

Quote
I didn't mean to spam. I newly registered an account, but was restricted to local forums, and I posted some to satisfy 4-hour login time... I don't want to register a new account, I was trying to contact moderator, but no reply. I also want to bid an advertisement in the forum, I'll obey all the rules...

131  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 79 on: April 26, 2013, 01:17:59 AM
1 @ 2.5
132  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? on: April 25, 2013, 04:36:57 PM
There are people who have made millions from legit MLM business. I just hate to see the good ones get lumped together with the real scams.
Okay, fair enough. I'll just ask then:

What are those legit businesses?


Wikipedia excerpt:

Quote
The Direct Selling Association, a lobbying group for the multi-level marketing industry, reported that in 1990 twenty-five percent of members used MLM, growing to 77.3 percent in 1999.[17] Companies such as Avon, Electrolux, Tupperware,[18] and Kirby all originally used single level marketing to sell their goods and later introduced multi-level compensation plans.[19] By 2009, 94.2% of members were using MLM, accounting for 99.6% of sellers, and 97.1% of sales.[20] The DSA has approximately 200 members [21] while it is estimated there are over 1,000 firms using multi-level marketing in the United States alone.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing
Why did I think MLM was a scam? What acronym was I confusing it with?

At the extreme of the spectrum, an MLM selling nothing but trying to profit only through recruiting new members, is pretty much the same as Ponzi Scheme.
133  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? on: April 25, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
There are people who have made millions from legit MLM business. I just hate to see the good ones get lumped together with the real scams.
Okay, fair enough. I'll just ask then:

What are those legit businesses?


Wikipedia excerpt:

Quote
The Direct Selling Association, a lobbying group for the multi-level marketing industry, reported that in 1990 twenty-five percent of members used MLM, growing to 77.3 percent in 1999.[17] Companies such as Avon, Electrolux, Tupperware,[18] and Kirby all originally used single level marketing to sell their goods and later introduced multi-level compensation plans.[19] By 2009, 94.2% of members were using MLM, accounting for 99.6% of sellers, and 97.1% of sales.[20] The DSA has approximately 200 members [21] while it is estimated there are over 1,000 firms using multi-level marketing in the United States alone.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing
134  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? on: April 25, 2013, 04:24:47 PM
Why do I think MLM with Bitcoin is viable?

  • MLM itself is a practical business model when it's selling good products and services. (if it sells no goods but only to recruit, then it's a scam, ponzi scam, what's so ever.)
  • Virtual products and services are ideal to sell through MLM. Virtual products or services, such as ebooks, music or video files, and numerous online services, such as linode VPS, are almost with fixed cost, yet with immense potential if they are proven to be popular, therefore guaranteeing endless flow of profit for those who participate MLM.
  • The market cap of Virtual products and services is going to be much bigger than that of "real estates".
  • Bitcoin is guaranteeing more participants since members could come from anywhere of the world.
  • Building an Online MLM team with bitcoin is much easier than doing off-line, since traditionally, building an MLM team had to begin from acquaintance, but now, a participant is not bound to his or her circumstances. Imagine you can recruit through google adsense with a simple webpage.
  • Last but not least, albeit not everyone would agree: todays income with BTC is probably going to be multiplied by itself, since Bitcoin is essentially a deflating currency.

Am I missing anything?

135  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? on: April 25, 2013, 08:53:23 AM
MLMs are ponzi schemes. Bitcoin's most popular activity in 2011 were ponzi schemes. The question isn't "Is MLM ideal for bitcoin", as that's a "duh". It's "is there still  a chance anyone in bitcoin isn't tired of ponzis?" and that answer is also "duh". Take a look at the lending subforum for proof.

I beg to differ... MLM and Ponzi Scheme are not the same thing, there're still some fundamental differences between them.

Taking MLM as Ponzi Scheme is somewhat like taking Bitcoin as Ponzi Scheme, focusing too much on minor similarities while neglecting obvious differences.

 
136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? What is the link? on: April 25, 2013, 08:36:17 AM
Is Multi-Level Marketing ideal for bitcoin?

I found a MLM website using BTC, but before I join it, I want to ask fellows in this forum, why wasn't any popular MLM service before?

any idea?


MLM depends on who is running it. What is the link to their site?

https://btcmlm.org

I personally think they're promising.

If I'm not wrong, I've banned some of their owners here for spamming this site everywhere.

I saw the posts before you deleted... therefore I noticed and have been thinking whether join them...
137  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? What is the link? on: April 25, 2013, 05:10:11 AM
Is Multi-Level Marketing ideal for bitcoin?

I found a MLM website using BTC, but before I join it, I want to ask fellows in this forum, why wasn't any popular MLM service before?

any idea?


MLM depends on who is running it. What is the link to their site?

https://btcmlm.com

I personally think they're promising.
138  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? on: April 24, 2013, 02:36:08 PM
Because most MLM's turn out to be scams - especially those that accept anonymous currencies like LR or BTC.

is there any previous example?
139  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Is MLM ideal for bitcoin? on: April 24, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
Is Multi-Level Marketing ideal for bitcoin?

I found a MLM website using BTC, but before I join it, I want to ask fellows in this forum, why wasn't any popular MLM service before?

any idea?
140  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help lushan - First public bitcoin donation in China for lushan earthquake on: April 23, 2013, 01:03:12 PM
100 donation received! thank you all!

Now we're entering the 2nd phase, use 3D technology to print BITCOINs, and organize a public auction.
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