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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll : Dash presence on the Bitcointalk forum (poll results are in !!) on: November 08, 2015, 02:07:51 PM
There was some concern raised about the yearly % of MN payouts, so i did some investigating :

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Official+Documentation

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/questions/12910621/how-much-is-the-roi-of-a-masternode
...The calculation is the following:
* the masternode network has grown since 30th of september 2015 (its now 3296) so the annual return will get lower and is also scheduled to get lower over time
* the formula uses avg_reward, with low mining difficulty MN payout will get higher then average... (or it evens out over the year, not totally sure).
* there is a yearly annual decrease of 7 % on block rewards (both for miners and masternodes) which will influence things

Using moocowmoo's sheet as point of reference, it does seem i was a bit too high with my numbers when i mentioned 17% (although i dont know
how accurate this sheet actually is as it seems to be focussed on minimum MN payouts) :

Link : https://masternode.me/downloads/diy_masternode_calc.ods



Looks accurate but this is not including compounding future payments into building more masternodes so it is theoretically higher as a net income on a longer timeline if there is reinvestment and lets say the first 1 year of payments is missed out.

so roughly, if you got 12% from 2016 to 2017 and owned 9 masternodes, you would get 1080 Dash per annum, take off the costs of ~80 Dash for hosting the 9 nodes and then reinvest the 1000 Dash for another masternode.
Now you have 10 masternodes each still paying 11.49% but your total income has increased by another 11.1%  Grin

And if you delayed payments for a second year, you would have 11 masternodes with another 10% added
So for 2 years, your total income will have raised by +21.1% by constant reinvestment. Grin
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 08, 2015, 10:19:59 AM
the new high-flyer of today  :

Another quiet day on the alt scene  Grin
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Poll : Dash presence on the Bitcointalk forum on: November 08, 2015, 10:17:26 AM
What all these 'trade with extreme caution experts' overlook is that most of the Dash work goes on via emails/PMs/atlassian/presentations.

Do they think that the multiple video series subtitled in many languages happened by accident?
https://www.dashpay.io/dash-video-series/

and even one purely for fun,
https://youtu.be/8EZ8U5F8V1U

How is it possible to get 15%-20% return per annum with a 1k Dash stake through proof of service and create a masternode network that spans the globe(~40 countries) based only on cloned code?
The masternode network is the only other network that competes with the bitcoin network in terms of speed and node count with the added exception that is 2 tier and you get paid for supporting the network as an incentive making it very quick and currently underused.
http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Darkcoin/masternode_payments_stats.html

How many other coins have a voting system built into the blockchain that funds project and development where anyone can propose a vote and if the (currently) 3300 masternode like the idea they will vote superblocks to pay the workers for their time and expense??
This is a the first decentralized company and in effect runs kind of like a virtual co-coperative.

The next rollout of 'Evolution' will make Dash infinitely scalable, 51% attack proof, 1500 tps for starters and anonymous at the protocol level, the whitepaper is due out shortly.
https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-evolution-official-announcement-next-january-in-miami.6415/
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 07, 2015, 09:10:04 AM
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After,

125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 07, 2015, 09:08:45 AM
I'm here to bump the price

Try and stop me !!
 Grin Wink Grin
Everyone likes a bull  Grin
Better bull then the cow  Grin
What about Moocowmoo?? Grin
126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 07, 2015, 06:58:32 AM
High correlation(0.98) between blocksize and tps/transaction count as expected.
Currently at 0.65 MB per block so double the transactions from 2 tps to 4 tps makes over 1 MB and would involve delays,
presumably fees would queue the unconfirmed in the memory pool,
https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/historical/1w-f-blksize_per_avg-00011-tps-01011

127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 06, 2015, 09:35:55 AM
I lost 1.5 BTC on that crash yesterday.
Woke up too late and saw the 4-hour chart starting its correction - even though the market had already lost a lot of value. Didn't properly check the lower order charts, otherwise I'd have thought twice about it. Thought it still had ways to go and cashed out a load, then bought back in as the 1-hour was crossing to the upside and rallied back up to 410...
Damn it, sorry about that-you gotta be watching it 24/7 when like this. I had the Dash sold for an average of $2.87 each so I figured as long it didn't go over that I'd be alright, what nearly got me was that the bitcoin was on a different exchange to the Dash so the transfers were a bitch and the btc/dash ratio was rising all the time, it was a close call.

You have any thoughts on the massive volume on the none commission chinese exchanges, fake liquidity- little/some/alot ?!
128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 06, 2015, 07:35:56 AM
never understood why price chartists use a logarithmic scale, it not representative in a linear fashion and tends to misreprezent and skew the data...
A logarithmic scale plot makes a lot more sense. This is especially the case if you watch something on a long time scale and when the value is changeing not just a bit but a factor.
...we have 2 time a doubleing of the value. Where as on the linear plot you will see and exponential curve on the log scale plot you see a straight line. And you see that the factor 2 is always refelected as a distance of 0.3 independent of the current VALUE
This is valid for any factor (precent) not just the factor 2. Same factor same distance on the log scale
...Lets say you have a fix ammount to invest and you know the marked behaves rather exponentioal which is likely the case for markets where people think and trade precentage based. What you will observe are line patterns. (in TA you often have this channels)...

Independent of the current good value you can by extrapolating the line easily figure out when your investment is expected to have grown to the factor that you desire given the trend holds.
https://blockchain.info/en/charts/n-transactions
with the setting AllTime and linear you will not see the trend that easy.
If however you switch to AllTime and logarithmic scale you see straight line going from Jul 2012 onward.
It's simple to extrapolate when the blocksize will be full with the logarithmic scale. It's a lot harder with linear scale.
Thankyou for the explanation, not had it described like that before. So basically the more recent price info shows a doubling better(good for short term traders) and is accentuated more and the older data tends to be flattened out (last years price not important anyway)

I suppose its only the last few months that is relevent, and like you say if the price is doubling say every year, the chart will show growth as a straight line, in effect this is a straightening of the price direction, economists only care growth and this is a better growth chart projection as it scales (Another log example is Moore's Law as linear would not show the trend too well either)
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 05, 2015, 01:43:02 PM
Yes price shown on a log scale...
never understood why price chartists use a logarithmic scale, it not representative in a linear fashion and tends to misreprezent and skew the data, only useful if you are measuring a scale that is mathematically none linear such as the decibel range with sound.
Btw, where is your Macd ?
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 05, 2015, 09:50:54 AM
Bitcoin hit resistance exactly where I expected it  Cool
Nice analysis. Is that a logarithmic profile ?
But, but... what does it mean?  Didn't he just make it up after the fact putting in lines n stuff?  Do you mean it's for real?  LOL  Ugh, I'll never understand any of that stuff!
Don't worry, TA is totally useless for crypto-currencies anyway, especially in a bull market. The short-term movements of any coin cannot be foretold.
haha, straight from the whaleclub pit  Grin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSgdJtIm0Y
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 11:38:45 PM
Censured
Basphemy! That's as bad as attaching a horsebox to a Maserati!
Hopefully only a temporary workaround until Evolutionary Matters take root  Grin
132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 11:28:00 PM
...Does anyone know how long a dollar tether takes to transfer, btw?
..Not sure this is over yet but glad you didn't lose out, I don't trade swings btw, I just find markets interesting. We're close to 420 and there's a hell of a pull on that figure for some reason Roll Eyes
Nooo! A dollar tether, its not the same  Grin
https://tether.to/faqs/

white paper
https://tether.to/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Tether-White-Paper.pdf
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 11:25:12 PM
LOL, Nope, sorry!
And she's going up again!
I'm out now-better to close the deal quickly and take the smaller gains, 1 step closer to another masternode  Cool
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 11:12:59 PM
Wow, it's just madness!  THIS is why I don't trade, thank you very much!  LOL  But I will admit it's enthralling to watch!
Its at times like this volatility bots make an absolute killing with little or no risk. I'm really surprised they're not more common and you can see which exchanges they get used on, that decaying oscillator dictates where the charts are going on most exchanges but on huobi it gets damped out quickly and that damping is all profit.
Phewee, that was stressful, I think I turned into a volatility bot,
I bet 300 Dash worth of bitcoin that the top was $320 and it carried on going and going and going.
Had to bet more Dash to recoup the loses on a risky bet for a $500 call, but managed to clear a few in the end  Grin

Does anyone know how long a dollar tether takes to transfer, btw?


135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
...
So in summary, my sell points for reasonable confirmation (from purely a trading momentum perspective) would be:
5-Minute: 12 O'Clock+ on the MACD histogram
1-Hour: 2 O'Clock
4-Hour: 3 O'Clock

P.S. See what I mean ?...it's blown wide again just while writing that post  Wink

I learned from the best, woolly coat on standby  Cheesy
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 09:26:53 AM
4 hour macd has turned and them there whales must be getting tired by now  Wink
Huobi 4-Hour MACD looks fine to me...

(P.S. If you check back my long-term calls going back to 2013 you'll see I've always been overly optimistic. I categorically said the $1000 bitcoin top of 2013 would no way drop below $900. But I decided to keep on the same vein anyway - got to be right sometime. Bitcoin needs more liquidity and since supply is limited, it can only get it from a price rise  Wink  )
With respect Tok, your own chart shows the 4 hour macd has changed direction, although its not definitive and could be a false signal
137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 09:07:04 AM
I'm all for it but what are those with cool (calm & collected) heads saying?
Level off at $6000 now that everyone has seen it's not going to zero.
Then a retrace to 2k  Wink
I'm going to keep calling the final (short term) top at $454, at some point my last call will be correct  Grin
4 hour macd has turned and them there whales must be getting tired by now  Wink
138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 04, 2015, 07:14:14 AM
See you in Mexico!

~~some good stuff here~~

viva Mexico
Tequile, sol, playa y bitcoin, ¿qué más quieres
 Grin
Father Jack would love it in Mexico Grin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdkN57xvekI
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 03, 2015, 08:30:29 PM
I hate the 12 confirmations for Dash deposits needed on Poloniex. Why?

Forced parity with bitcoin in name of fairness?

3 confirmations * 10  = 30 min
12 confirmations * 2.5 =30 min

Damn it, I just got caught out trying to arbitrage an extra 5%, I bought back in at $400 then chased $420 at another exchange, bitcoin took soo long, that I missed the $420 top and had to sell at $385 in the panic dump, and now its gone back upto $396  Roll Eyes
140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash Codename "Evolution" on: November 03, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
You're sure you don't mean double payment? It's part of the payment calcs that can result in receiving 2 masternode payments in succession. I'm not sure how it got in there, it may have been a harmless bug that got left in or it could have been an intended feature but it can't be gamed and it's a nice surprise for masternode operators, a 1 in 100 chance and it balances out across the network.
Another random bug like the instamine and this one never gets fixed.
Its not a random bug at all, this was predicted by the developers and is merely a facet of the code, you bleated on about the centralization of the reference node and now thats gone, you bleat on about a 1 in 100 chance of a double payment that evens out in time, sounds like you live in a perfect world which unfortunately the rest of us don't coexist in.
The randomness protects against hacking, and if you ran a masternode you would know it doesn't matter because all the payments balance out in the end, so its not relevent to the masternode holders but only to people like you for some reason.
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