Looks accurate but this is not including compounding future payments into building more masternodes so it is theoretically higher as a net income on a longer timeline if there is reinvestment and lets say the first 1 year of payments is missed out. so roughly, if you got 12% from 2016 to 2017 and owned 9 masternodes, you would get 1080 Dash per annum, take off the costs of ~80 Dash for hosting the 9 nodes and then reinvest the 1000 Dash for another masternode. Now you have 10 masternodes each still paying 11.49% but your total income has increased by another 11.1% ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) And if you delayed payments for a second year, you would have 11 masternodes with another 10% added So for 2 years, your total income will have raised by +21.1% by constant reinvestment. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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the new high-flyer of today : ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSPWDFkF.jpg&t=663&c=VqjcbSUh3S8qcw) Another quiet day on the alt scene ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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What all these 'trade with extreme caution experts' overlook is that most of the Dash work goes on via emails/PMs/atlassian/presentations. Do they think that the multiple video series subtitled in many languages happened by accident? https://www.dashpay.io/dash-video-series/and even one purely for fun, https://youtu.be/8EZ8U5F8V1UHow is it possible to get 15%-20% return per annum with a 1k Dash stake through proof of service and create a masternode network that spans the globe(~40 countries) based only on cloned code? The masternode network is the only other network that competes with the bitcoin network in terms of speed and node count with the added exception that is 2 tier and you get paid for supporting the network as an incentive making it very quick and currently underused. http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Darkcoin/masternode_payments_stats.htmlHow many other coins have a voting system built into the blockchain that funds project and development where anyone can propose a vote and if the (currently) 3300 masternode like the idea they will vote superblocks to pay the workers for their time and expense?? This is a the first decentralized company and in effect runs kind of like a virtual co-coperative. The next rollout of 'Evolution' will make Dash infinitely scalable, 51% attack proof, 1500 tps for starters and anonymous at the protocol level, the whitepaper is due out shortly. https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-evolution-official-announcement-next-january-in-miami.6415/
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Before, ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCS2nG9rWoAA57fZ.jpg%3Alarge&t=663&c=xXz5AXqEaEJAxQ) After, ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimgs.xkcd.com%2Fcomics%2Fgit.png&t=663&c=zzRQNtJ8EPYymg)
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Better bull then the cow ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) What about Moocowmoo?? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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I lost 1.5 BTC on that crash yesterday. Woke up too late and saw the 4-hour chart starting its correction - even though the market had already lost a lot of value. Didn't properly check the lower order charts, otherwise I'd have thought twice about it. Thought it still had ways to go and cashed out a load, then bought back in as the 1-hour was crossing to the upside and rallied back up to 410...
Damn it, sorry about that-you gotta be watching it 24/7 when like this. I had the Dash sold for an average of $2.87 each so I figured as long it didn't go over that I'd be alright, what nearly got me was that the bitcoin was on a different exchange to the Dash so the transfers were a bitch and the btc/dash ratio was rising all the time, it was a close call. You have any thoughts on the massive volume on the none commission chinese exchanges, fake liquidity- little/some/alot ?!
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never understood why price chartists use a logarithmic scale, it not representative in a linear fashion and tends to misreprezent and skew the data...
A logarithmic scale plot makes a lot more sense. This is especially the case if you watch something on a long time scale and when the value is changeing not just a bit but a factor. ...we have 2 time a doubleing of the value. Where as on the linear plot you will see and exponential curve on the log scale plot you see a straight line. And you see that the factor 2 is always refelected as a distance of 0.3 independent of the current VALUE This is valid for any factor (precent) not just the factor 2. Same factor same distance on the log scale ...Lets say you have a fix ammount to invest and you know the marked behaves rather exponentioal which is likely the case for markets where people think and trade precentage based. What you will observe are line patterns. (in TA you often have this channels)... Independent of the current good value you can by extrapolating the line easily figure out when your investment is expected to have grown to the factor that you desire given the trend holds. https://blockchain.info/en/charts/n-transactionswith the setting AllTime and linear you will not see the trend that easy. If however you switch to AllTime and logarithmic scale you see straight line going from Jul 2012 onward. It's simple to extrapolate when the blocksize will be full with the logarithmic scale. It's a lot harder with linear scale. Thankyou for the explanation, not had it described like that before. So basically the more recent price info shows a doubling better(good for short term traders) and is accentuated more and the older data tends to be flattened out (last years price not important anyway) I suppose its only the last few months that is relevent, and like you say if the price is doubling say every year, the chart will show growth as a straight line, in effect this is a straightening of the price direction, economists only care growth and this is a better growth chart projection as it scales (Another log example is Moore's Law as linear would not show the trend too well either)
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Yes price shown on a log scale...
never understood why price chartists use a logarithmic scale, it not representative in a linear fashion and tends to misreprezent and skew the data, only useful if you are measuring a scale that is mathematically none linear such as the decibel range with sound. Btw, where is your Macd ?
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Bitcoin hit resistance exactly where I expected it ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Nice analysis. Is that a logarithmic profile ? But, but... what does it mean? Didn't he just make it up after the fact putting in lines n stuff? Do you mean it's for real? LOL Ugh, I'll never understand any of that stuff! Don't worry, TA is totally useless for crypto-currencies anyway, especially in a bull market. The short-term movements of any coin cannot be foretold. haha, straight from the whaleclub pit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSgdJtIm0Y
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Censured
Basphemy! That's as bad as attaching a horsebox to a Maserati! Hopefully only a temporary workaround until Evolutionary Matters take root ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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LOL, Nope, sorry! And she's going up again!
I'm out now-better to close the deal quickly and take the smaller gains, 1 step closer to another masternode ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Wow, it's just madness! THIS is why I don't trade, thank you very much! LOL But I will admit it's enthralling to watch!
Its at times like this volatility bots make an absolute killing with little or no risk. I'm really surprised they're not more common and you can see which exchanges they get used on, that decaying oscillator dictates where the charts are going on most exchanges but on huobi it gets damped out quickly and that damping is all profit. Phewee, that was stressful, I think I turned into a volatility bot, I bet 300 Dash worth of bitcoin that the top was $320 and it carried on going and going and going. Had to bet more Dash to recoup the loses on a risky bet for a $500 call, but managed to clear a few in the end ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Does anyone know how long a dollar tether takes to transfer, btw?
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... So in summary, my sell points for reasonable confirmation (from purely a trading momentum perspective) would be: 5-Minute: 12 O'Clock+ on the MACD histogram 1-Hour: 2 O'Clock 4-Hour: 3 O'Clock P.S. See what I mean ?...it's blown wide again just while writing that post ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FP0MWY6l.png&t=663&c=ZND_5QUWnX9L5w) I learned from the best, woolly coat on standby ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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4 hour macd has turned and them there whales must be getting tired by now ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Huobi 4-Hour MACD looks fine to me... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrVgvuFe.png&t=663&c=yUNdcUpvl5hspQ) (P.S. If you check back my long-term calls going back to 2013 you'll see I've always been overly optimistic. I categorically said the $1000 bitcoin top of 2013 would no way drop below $900. But I decided to keep on the same vein anyway - got to be right sometime. Bitcoin needs more liquidity and since supply is limited, it can only get it from a price rise ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) With respect Tok, your own chart shows the 4 hour macd has changed direction, although its not definitive and could be a false signal
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I'm all for it but what are those with cool (calm & collected) heads saying? Level off at $6000 now that everyone has seen it's not going to zero. Then a retrace to 2k ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I'm going to keep calling the final (short term) top at $454, at some point my last call will be correct ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) 4 hour macd has turned and them there whales must be getting tired by now ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I hate the 12 confirmations for Dash deposits needed on Poloniex. Why?
Forced parity with bitcoin in name of fairness? 3 confirmations * 10 = 30 min 12 confirmations * 2.5 =30 min Damn it, I just got caught out trying to arbitrage an extra 5%, I bought back in at $400 then chased $420 at another exchange, bitcoin took soo long, that I missed the $420 top and had to sell at $385 in the panic dump, and now its gone back upto $396 ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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You're sure you don't mean double payment? It's part of the payment calcs that can result in receiving 2 masternode payments in succession. I'm not sure how it got in there, it may have been a harmless bug that got left in or it could have been an intended feature but it can't be gamed and it's a nice surprise for masternode operators, a 1 in 100 chance and it balances out across the network.
Another random bug like the instamine and this one never gets fixed. Its not a random bug at all, this was predicted by the developers and is merely a facet of the code, you bleated on about the centralization of the reference node and now thats gone, you bleat on about a 1 in 100 chance of a double payment that evens out in time, sounds like you live in a perfect world which unfortunately the rest of us don't coexist in. The randomness protects against hacking, and if you ran a masternode you would know it doesn't matter because all the payments balance out in the end, so its not relevent to the masternode holders but only to people like you for some reason.
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