..And thanks again for the input! below current price : btc sum is weighted by lower price over current price : btc sum is magnified by bigger price current_price : cp example 1) factor( for example a=0.5) 1 0.67*cp ~ 1.0*cp 1.0*cp ~ 1.5*cp a 0.44*cp ~ 0.67*cp 1.5*cp ~2.25*cp a*a 0.30cp ~ 0.44*cp 2.25*cp ~ 3.375*cp add coin order number multiflied by factor, not BTC sum example 2) factor( for example a=0.5) 1 0.5*cp ~ 1.0*cp 1.0*cp ~ 2.0*cp a 0.25*cp ~ 0.5*cp 2*cp ~4*cp a*a 0.125*cp ~ 0.25*cp 4*cp ~ 8*cp add coin order number multiflied by factor, not BTC sum this method give reasonable number for ask,bid strength. My argument that the order money is locked, regardless of the price, is not affected by that model. Beware: Your "btc sum is magnified by bigger price" means that e.g. putting one big order at a high price would manipulate our results - and without danger for the manipulator. But ... I see. Perhaps ... Might test in a later stage if some ideas from your model gives better predictions. But a few questions then: The factor in example 1) is a=0.67 not a=0.5 - right? Perhaps you can share math with me that motivates those arbitrary numbers, and stepwise cutoffs. If you want to weigh by distance to cp - why do you use hard thresholds, and bin your intervals - not a smooth function a(p)=fn(p, cp)? Why would you choose multiplicative interval limits (1, a, a*a, a*a*a), not e.g. additive (1, a, a+a, a+a+a)? How would volatility enter into your model? But better PM me - let us better not hijack this thread here for that. Thanks a lot for your time, gusterdd. Much appreciated. 1) The factor in example 1) is a=0.67 not a=0.5 - right? No, you can choose any value to 'a', a should be 0<a<1 2) In upper two model, you can set 'a' to 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 for each model. Find good value to 'a' 3) If you find function to a(p)= fn(p,cp) , It's useless to make stepwise cutoff. bid_strength = sum( order_number * a(p) ) ask_strength = sum( order_number * a(p) ) |
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Thanks! Hi DASH community. I have good news. Have a look at the histogram on the left:  The vast majority of AltCoins have massively more total sell orders than buy orders, sometimes even with a factor of 5 and more (so then the left, green column is 5 times smaller than the red column) . I think that is one of the reasons why most of altcoin trading is so risky: The slightest panic - and a price can fall bottomless. I guess, many coins do not care enough about creating demand; plus -looking at the whole market- somehow their price is much too high (same example: 5 times too high). In DASH however, the total buy orders volume is impressively larger than the total sell orders. During the past 2 months, while developing, I often checked out several coins, to get a feeling for our new indicator. With DASH, the situation had been ~balanced during the whole course of these 2 months. And recently, I even see an inverted ratio - 1.65 time more total buy order volume than total sell orders. In short: Congrats. Your whole DASH economy seems quite healthy ;-) Disclaimer: This is not a buy suggestion! I am just talking about one -of many- viewpoints. And myself I am only mildly invested
in DASH (unfortunately ;-) ... some old coins from long ago. I reported this mainly due to tech fascination, and because you are a
notable exception, and because I want to read your own explanations ... for what we are seeing there, in this project (click preview).This is very encouraging thanks for the analysis Very good information. The analysis sould have a range from current price. It is meaningless order more than +100% high from currnet price. Thanks for the input. I do understand your thinking. Apart from the question: "100% or 50% or 200%? Or 400%? Or 25%? What is the perfect range?" and the huge differences in volatility which would influence that -arbitrary- threshold ... it turns out that taking the whole data (where available, that is) seems even better. Let me motivate the summing scheme: Imagine what a buy order means: I am locking my BTC into the order - I cannot spend it anymore for ice cream, or helicopters. Even if I hope to get DASH at a really low price - my order-locked BTC is not only showing my "price hope" - but it is also showing the absolute amount of real money that I had been willing to lock into orders. Same for sell orders: Transfering my DASH to an exchange is risky, I give up my property in exchange for an IOU. And I declare that I want to sell them. Might be at a really high price only - but I show my willingness to sell them, not using them to buy something, or fund projects, or save for my children - but by offering them in a sell order. And as both sides get totalled in the same way, we CAN actually compare them. Or rather: We DO compare them ;-) My own scepticism got smashed when I did cross-comparisons of different coins. They do differ in this new WOB indicator, and they differ much. I suggest you start observing it over time, for 3 very different coins - and you might find out that it will help you to assess how "long-term realistic" the current price of a coin is, compared to our quotient of totals of the (most of the) biggest, available order books world-wide. I am querying 30+ exchanges! With our current "bittrex bleutrade bter ccex exmo livecoin poloniex yobit" in BTC and 2 fiat currencies - am I sampling enough of your field? Anecdote: When I tried my simple base calculation for the first time, about 1.5 years ago, and only with the orderbooks of poloniex ... I was surprised to see that LTC stayed totally OB-balanced over a very long period of time - and with varying current prices. As if the total order book volumes ("the whole market"), and the current marketprice ("the day traders") are well-coupled - at least for those "relaxed systems" with high volume, and long past - like Litecoin. (Right now, the situation of LTC looks less rosy, actually. But the better is the enemy of the good, I guess.) Back to DASH --> This is very encouraging thanks for the analysis Dash is like a bottle of coke with a mentos in it...  The pressure is building and it'll explode sooner or later. The current ride up to $50m market cap has been built on relatively low daily volumes, most trading days have seen volumes in the $100k to $250k range, compare this to the crazy $1m to $5m volumes we saw during the run up to the ATH in 2014 and you'll see what i mean... This would suggest that demand is already far outstripping supply for Dash, even at the low daily volumes of $250k, which is less than 0.5% of current available supply based on today's market cap of $53m. If we see even a modest uptick in daily volumes to between the $500k to $1m range then I expect Dash to rise significantly in price and smash its previous ATH. All IMHO and as always do your own research!  Walter Thanks a lot. I had hoped for such explanations. And reflection in bull times is good too. My own thoughts were that * locking away large amounts of currency into masternodes ... is a clever form of "creating demand" for DASH. * your much-celebrated system of "budget proposals" and "taxing" the mining ... is evolving into a vibrant ecosystem - that other coins are not able to get to as easily. Kudos. I am interested to see which other knowledge our newbies & pros will be compiling collectively - about all of the most advanced & really successful currencies ... once our 8-steps system is complete. Read the whitepaper & medium blog if you want to. And simply start using the beta already. May it help your trading! And thanks again for the input! below current price : btc sum is weighted by lower price over current price : btc sum is magnified by bigger price current_price : cp example 1) factor( for example a=0.5) 1 0.67*cp ~ 1.0*cp 1.0*cp ~ 1.5*cp a 0.44*cp ~ 0.67*cp 1.5*cp ~2.25*cp a*a 0.30cp ~ 0.44*cp 2.25*cp ~ 3.375*cp add coin order number multiflied by factor, not BTC sum example 2) factor( for example a=0.5) 1 0.5*cp ~ 1.0*cp 1.0*cp ~ 2.0*cp a 0.25*cp ~ 0.5*cp 2*cp ~4*cp a*a 0.125*cp ~ 0.25*cp 4*cp ~ 8*cp add coin order number multiflied by factor, not BTC sum this method give reasonable number for ask,bid strength. |
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Hi DASH community. I have good news. Have a look at the histogram on the left: The vast majority of AltCoins have massively more total sell orders than buy orders, sometimes even with a factor of 5 and more (so then the left, green column is 5 times smaller than the red column) . I think that is one of the reasons why most of altcoin trading is so risky: The slightest panic - and a price can fall bottomless. I guess, many coins do not care enough about creating demand; plus -looking at the whole market- somehow their price is much too high (same example: 5 times too high). In DASH however, the total buy orders volume is impressively larger than the total sell orders. During the past 2 months, while developing, I often checked out several coins, to get a feeling for our new indicator. With DASH, the situation had been ~balanced during the whole course of these 2 months. And recently, I even see an inverted ratio - 1.65 time more total buy order volume than total sell orders. In short: Congrats. Your whole DASH economy seems quite healthy ;-) Disclaimer: This is not a buy suggestion! I am just talking about one -of many- viewpoints. And myself I am only mildly invested
in DASH (unfortunately ;-) ... some old coins from long ago. I reported this mainly due to tech fascination, and because you are a
notable exception, and because I want to read your own explanations ... for what we are seeing there, in this project (click preview).This is very encouraging thanks for the analysis Very good information. The analysis sould have a range from current price. It is meaningless order more than +100% high from currnet price. |
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ETH( DAO) looks like unstable.
Small investor would have big loss in gambling with eth,dao if he would not exit more earlier than whale.
But DASH have positive feedback loop. DASH would have some impact of ETH shock.
After Eth shock, DASH would survive finally.
God bless DASH holder !
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Dash doing very well in the markets this weekend, it is looking solid. I hope it keeps growing slowly like this. Can't wait for testnet.
Steady demand for DASH in the market. Evolution would make dash more attractive. I am long time holder from price 10$. i want to hold after 10$, You would be smart man if you buy low price level and hold during strong upper trend. upper trend in the market is serious and strong It's possible big jump in the level really. need to change from ETH to DASH. I'm holding dash more than eth. Bitcoin is safer than small country currency. Look at Venezuela. Holding dash, bitcoin is good choice for that country. |
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Well some things must be as they are because of the interest, for example 1% fee transaction is for miners. Miner reward would take hard ford so I think it is not a option.
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1% fee fransaction is for miners. . . .
But other coin don't charge 1% level. This make coin transfer infrequently.
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submit a proposal about Freshcoin
reduce wallet transfer fee from 1% to 0.1%
make miner reward 0.1FRSH or 1FRSH
make dice program to enjoy.
This year many altcoins revive, FRSH shoud be one of them
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Did you send it to freshonline wallet or to your wallet?
I sent it to my wallet, and checked in the blockchain explorer. Becasue my wallet is not up to date. |
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ANNOUNCEMENT:
online.freshcoin.net is working, so your balances are here....freshcoin.net and exchange are next steps.
From some reason bter withdraw works to online.freshcoin.net but in smaller ammounts (50-100 FRSH in batch)...so if you want send them, I frankly suggest that! Please try with smaller ammounts because it could stuck and do it on you own responsibility!
I withdrawed 10k in batch, so try, but please be careful...it is bter's mistake if you do not receive it!
Freshcoin withdrawal operates well in BTER exchange Daily limit is 100,000 coin. |
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why it is not working for my PC？ i have been waiting for another 5 hours
Well check your firewall, antivirus ( firewall ) etc... something is blocking the connections you that everything is working perfect to dulinxu In debug console in wallet menu, put this command. addnode 121.138.121.36 add |
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masternode count 3600 !! incredible  |
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masternode profit for one year
1.5 $ * 365 / (1000 * 5$) = 11%
current masternode number : 3550
Because dash is under value fluctuation, 11% is not high for masternode invester.
1) If the masternode number increase 4000, the output would be 9.8% (11% *3550/4000 = 9.8%)
2) If price fall down to 3$ from 5$, the profit would be -33% ( 1- 1.11*3$/5$ )
3) If node number become 4000 and price fall to 3$, the profit would be -34% (1-1.098*3$/5$)
4) If price increase to 6$, 33.2%
If the master node number is about ~1500, we can endure price changing with 26% profit.
Because of price fluctuation, masternode operation isn't good for general invest now.
Now we should maintain the masternode to support the network development.
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an example of organised behaviour that takes a negative approach has just entered our forum hi Icetroll Bingo! i think we are the only forum that have our very own Icetroll  ice, dasher trolls have too much energy to add negative posting in this thread . |
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"Another One Bites The DASH"
Oh! Let's go!
Evan walks warily down the bitcointalk
With the price pulled way down low.
Ain't no sound but the sound of his hype,
DASH shills ready to go.
Are you ready, hey, are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your BTCs?
Out of the doorway the hypes rips
To the sound of the dump
Another one bites the DASH
Another one bites the DASH
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the DASH
Hey, I'm gonna get your BTC too
Another one bites the DASH
How do you think I'm going to get along
Without you when your BTCs gone?
You took me for everything that I had
And kicked me out on my own
Are you unhappy, are you broke?
How long can you stand the dump?
Out of the doorway the hypes rips
To the sound of the dump
[Chorus]
Another one bites the DASH
Another one bites the DASH
Another one bites the DASH
Another one bites the DASH
There are plenty of ways that you can butthurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can beat him, you can cheat him
You can treat him bad and leave him when he's down
But I'm ready, yes, I'm ready for you
I'm standing on my own two feet
Out of the doorway the hypes rips
Repeating to the sound of the dump Today star is Monero !! beautiful coin Monero !! congratulation to You. |
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Sung to the tune of Oscar the Grouch's "I Love Trash." Enjoy...
Oh, I love Dash!
It's like Bitcoin, but instant and private
With masternode owners to drive it
Yes, I love Dash.
The Bitcoin foundation is ripping apart
We may see a fork-fight and that's just the start
I sold all my bitcoins to follow my heart
I love it because it's Dash.
Oh, I love Dash!
It's like Bitcoin, but instant and private
With masternode owners to drive it
Yes, I love Dash.
The Monero morons are trolling our site
Their ring signature thing is really a fright
A doomed cryptosaurus that will never take flight
And that's why I'm holding Dash.
Oh, I love Dash!
It's like Bitcoin, but instant and private
With masternode owners to drive it
Yes, I love Dash.
Dont' go towards the Lite and beware of the Dog
Shun MicroSoft Ether and Ripple we flog
And I must confess I am quite a Dash hog
I sold them and bought more Dash.
Oh, I love Dash!
It's like Bitcoin, but instant and private
With masternode owners to drive it
Yes, I love Dash.
You fall in love with DASH. There are many attractive girls in the coin markets. |
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synchronizing masternode winners : 75% stopping for over 10minute what's the reason ? current verson is 56.  |
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But still this relies on trust. Trust that these enlightened few will always continue to grow Dash in a fair and responsible way that benefits everyone. Maybe this is not misplaced trust and they will. I accept your point that what is good for Dash also benefits them so there is incentive to keep it fair.
Even so there may be scenarios where budgets are passed which majority of masternode operators don't want. This is why voting in elections is one vote per person, not one vote per million dollars of wealth a person has for example.
In fact is it worth bothering to vote at all if so much voting power belongs to so few? The ability to vote looks good on paper and discussed in blogs. But in reality it looks like democracy but is more like plutocracy.
Anyway I hope I'm not heading for the troll list by writing these things, I like where Dash is heading in general and particularly like that it focuses on the properties of cash or money. At the moment I plan to stay invested in Dash because I have trust in the large holders to do the right things. But in my opinion this budget system needs a lot of thought.
"At the moment I plan to stay invested in Dash because I have trust in the large holders to do the right things. But in my opinion this budget system needs a lot of thought. " I also have trust in the large holders to do the right things. The large holder would make a prominent budget vote well. All budgets are dependent on large holders. DASH growth is depend on budget system which can make evolution by calling together excellent programer, marketer, etc. large masternode holder : DASH owner small holder : supporter or speculator budget parter : employee miner : supporter or .... |
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14 owner control about 1868 masternodes. more than 50% : current masternode 3550. regard address with about 1000 coins as a masternode if you check masternode address transaction to make 1000 value, you can easily make masternode owner tree of 3550 example) 8 masternode owner : manual searching it is possible for 8 Mn owner if you check transation by program, huge holder also traceable. Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq 1025 XmEfHURCA85YDafRfSWwEkwZHrzDJn3jgQ 1019 XnNRrYt8eh1ttF3CPKWXFdss4eZdAN2PhH 1046 cannot find in dashninja.pl XjEooTnzdo4ni4L7wd9CRsJbjJz6JY6ZUf 1193 Xxcjgd3wofuQbJqu4gY8Bt12irz1EHCQpi 0 XiKDoE2LG1WocEhGeNZwi9qVgXW9agRw8k 1034 Xht7Yq4oVA2pFJfYDWMaQ5rUuaVPyPfTzN 0 XqZXHhokxPKM9FLNNWacdVVuj8DWQbsZrM 1030 XdancHFRMSbYgQ95QQX3GuKp8SP4wsYdxf 0 XfzvNPNwiFpSSsoAaNVYPcvdJB69Zq8dZm 1029 Xuvh8ZbfvWtERLhdMVuqcPgim1oASCcDT2 0 Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq 1025 XwUd1HU7tEm94oeJN2A8jtsbhfmrGjLkDV  see DASH is already centralized..DASH ASIC centralization is a non-issue  Yes, DASH is centralized.. ASIC would make more centralization. If you think DASH market capacity would increase by the effort of huge holder, Join and set a masternode. Exchange site would run masternodes also if they want. This is also traceable. Exchanger is also huge DASH holder. |
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14 owner control about 1868 masternodes.
But there are 3550 masternodes, not 1868. I want toknormal in the 14.  (DASH core member 14) |
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14 owner control about 1868 masternodes. more than 50% : current masternode 3550. regard address with about 1000 coins as a masternode if you check masternode address transaction to make 1000 value, you can easily make masternode owner tree of 3550 example) 8 masternode owner : manual searching it is possible for 8 Mn owner if you check transation by program, huge holder also traceable. Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq 1025 XmEfHURCA85YDafRfSWwEkwZHrzDJn3jgQ 1019 XnNRrYt8eh1ttF3CPKWXFdss4eZdAN2PhH 1046 cannot find in dashninja.pl XjEooTnzdo4ni4L7wd9CRsJbjJz6JY6ZUf 1193 Xxcjgd3wofuQbJqu4gY8Bt12irz1EHCQpi 0 XiKDoE2LG1WocEhGeNZwi9qVgXW9agRw8k 1034 Xht7Yq4oVA2pFJfYDWMaQ5rUuaVPyPfTzN 0 XqZXHhokxPKM9FLNNWacdVVuj8DWQbsZrM 1030 XdancHFRMSbYgQ95QQX3GuKp8SP4wsYdxf 0 XfzvNPNwiFpSSsoAaNVYPcvdJB69Zq8dZm 1029 Xuvh8ZbfvWtERLhdMVuqcPgim1oASCcDT2 0 Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq 1025 XwUd1HU7tEm94oeJN2A8jtsbhfmrGjLkDV |
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