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Mind workers create something of value but to regulate life and its many aspects in the name of paying their supposed dues isn't the way to go about it. That's all that I am arguing.
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Alright, that's it. I'm going to tear this apart in a podcast.
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Also, just because my mother gave birth to me doesn't mean I am indentured to her for life. That isn't a legitimate contract.
Hey don't forget about Dad. His work product contributed to the work of Art.  I guess I have to pay him royalties too. Also, my thick hair got me a job modeling. That's another IP check in the mail. |
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The whole IP argument is over how much do you deserve for your work. Seems like a good default is 'however much people will pay for it.' ...Mr. Onarchy wants that to be left to the creator and if anybody else creates it and sells it for less... they should be charged with violent molestation? |
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If I invent the "Cancer Cure Pill" should I expect to make Billions upon Billions of Dollars, or should I give it freely to the public at cost +1 and just make millions and be regarded as the greatest humanitarian that ever lived in the history books. Or the the evil Health Barron?
I should make money, but when you are Greedy and want it all, you curry favor of thugs. The whole IP argument is over how much do you deserve for your work. Sometimes; Nothing. Other times; Something But Never: Everything.
Let's say I find the cure for cancer: a glass of water mixed with a handful of dirt. I patent it. Every time somebody mixes some water with dirt, I am being raped? |
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Also, just because my mother gave birth to me doesn't mean I am indentured to her for life. That isn't a legitimate contract.
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If man has the right to himself, he must also have the right to sustain through physical resources. Easy.
However, when it comes to the intangible that creates no real wealth and doesn't allow people to truly sustain, it's hard to prove it can be considered property. You claim that intellectual work is of no real value to human existence, yet you still choose to pirate what you consider worthless. Why do you do that? If something is worthless to you, why download it and spend your valuable time reading/listening/watching it? Also, let's now consider the difference between species who use the mind as integral to their survival (humans) and species that don't, e.g. antelopes. Today there are 7 billion people on the planet. Without industrialization 6 of them would not have existed. It is only the radical improvements in agricultural productivity that enables so many people not merely to physically survive, but many of them to prosper. So then let's look at antelopes. How are they doing when it comes to agriculture and industrialization? Hmmmmm, they have none. Why is that? Because productivity increase is first and foremost an INTELLECTUAL feat, not a physical one. We have Gallilei, Newton and a whole host of intelligent people who used their minds to create the INFORMATION needed to improve agricultural productivity. Thus, not only is information of crucial value to our PHYSICAL survival, it is of so paramount importance that we can say for certain that 6 billion people owe their life to that information. In fact, without information produces by the human intellect there would be no wealth. The mind is the source of wealth. For thousands of years Africans have been living in dirt poverty with all sorts of natural physical resources all around them. Yet, to no avail because they didn't have the KNOWLEDGE to transform their physical surroundings into wealth. And then look at Singapore, which is an island with no natural resources, not even fresh water, and it has risen from nothing to become one of the most prosperous nations in the world in only 60 years. Before the economic liberalization of Singapore, the nation could at most support 1 million people. Now there are 5 million people who sustain themselves and not only survive but prosper. That would be impossible without the intellectual work of mind workers. So since you think that intangibles create no real wealth I think you should take your own words seriously and give up everything in your life that would not exist without intangibles. In other words, you must give up your computer, electricity, sewage system, water pipes, anything made of steel, cars, boats, air travel, cheap industrial food etc. These are all dependent on intangibles. So let's see you put your money where your mouth is and give up all these things that allegedly are of no value to you, and creates "no real wealth and doesn't allow people to truly sustain." When you've done that, we can talk. Furthermore, is human existence only about getting calories into your bread hole? Does art and entertainment have NO place in humanity? It is of NO value to humans since you can't eat it? And therefore it's ok to pirate it? Also, I pirate books and all sorts of "intellectual property" undetected. How are you going to be able to do any different against me in your supposedly free state?
Against an individual pirate? Very little. Just like all other laws have to be constructed in such a way that they do not have negative effects for ordinary, innocent people the same is the case with IP laws. It's better that 10 pirates go free than that 1 innocent person's liberties are infringed. Therefore it is mostly organized and blatant piracy that will be targeted. Since most people are decent human beings piracy will in general be a minimal problem with proper laws and proper micro-payment solutions. It wasn't the ideas themselves that created wealth. It was the actions of the individuals. They may have needed the input of information but in the end, the sweat of their own brow made it happen. |
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Is a man not entitled to a monopoly on his ideas?
"No!" says the counterfeit purse maker in China. "These ideas, they belong to the poor!"
"No!" says the pirate on the internet, "They belong to everyone!"
I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose The Free State, a city where every computer will be monitored, where every patent-infringing object will be destroyed and where the patent holders will not be prettied by the small wanna-be innovators! And with enough idea claims of your own, The Free State can be yours as well! Even the idea of it itself!
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If man has the right to himself, he must also have the right to sustain through physical resources. Easy.
However, when it comes to the intangible that creates no real wealth and doesn't allow people to truly sustain, it's hard to prove it can be considered property.
Also, I pirate books and all sorts of "intellectual property" undetected. How are you going to be able to do any different against me in your supposedly free state?
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People folding on loans won't ruin Bitcoin. Unlike in the real world, the banks will fail and the government won't be there to pick them up. Loss will be mostly isolated.
Bitcoin is real, unless you mean the Fiat world?! Fiat, government-inflicted world. |
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Information property rights can't be enforced without tyranny. It's really that simple, onarchy.
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onarky, your idea sounds to me like just another Free Trade Zone or Special Economic Zone with free immigration thrown in. You'll produce some sort of dystopian nightmare super-sprawl in the desert populated by the poor and the desperate, fleeing war, oppression and poverty only to be tricked into indenturing themselves to the employ of sweat-shops and brothels and slumlords by the elusive dream of gold-dripped success while the pale edifices of casino's and pleasure-palaces glint through the heat-haze over-head and swaggering mercenaries and their sneering war-criminal captains patrol the barb-wired perimeter. Why are you and your libertardian like-mindlings so intent on making the world more amenable to the tastes of men like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtPaGflu4JM"man/woman/child for sale, only 3BTC the set, do what you want with, it's all permitted here." A free trade zone is not without government restrictions. Everything else you said is with no basis. |
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Hm, I see. Well, when I see that ordinary consumers can purchase from these guys, I assume they have to raise their prices for retail overhead. I'll consider them regardless.
Thanks.
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People folding on loans won't ruin Bitcoin. Unlike in the real world, the banks will fail and the government won't be there to pick them up. Loss will be mostly isolated.
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Consider getting volume discounts from places like monoprice.com and dealextreme.com
Buy from retail and then sell it retail? Heh?  When you purchase from the distributor, "volume discounts" are innate. It's how retail works. : P |
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Competing with big suppliers sounds difficult. You could buy used stuff from ebayers and bitcoiners who are in need of quick money. Verify it works and resell with a profit margin.
The big suppliers don't accept Bitcoin. I think that is sufficient reason alone to test this venture. Anyways, retail isn't too difficult. ...and when it comes to the bigger guys, you just have to one-up them one weakness at a time. Price is a big issue. With companies like Newegg shipping on time with wholesale like prices you do not have much room to compete. If you price an item anymore then 15% above newegg most people will convert bitcoins to $ and just purchase at Newegg. I'll verify the sustainability with my distributor once the paperwork goes through. Newegg may be near mid-tier distributor-level but they certainly don't have a monopoly. |
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Competing with big suppliers sounds difficult. You could buy used stuff from ebayers and bitcoiners who are in need of quick money. Verify it works and resell with a profit margin.
The big suppliers don't accept Bitcoin. I think that is sufficient reason alone to test this venture. Anyways, retail isn't too difficult. ...and when it comes to the bigger guys, you just have to one-up them one weakness at a time. |
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What generally prevents us from doing so is the idea of money...
I stopped reading right there.
Money is a tool that allows people to easily convert their labors and goods. It's an essential tool that allows for wealth creation otherwise bartering would add an unsustainable amount of overhead.
I award you no points...
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Hi, I would like to ask anyone in the bitcoin community if they would consider Loaning 45BTC's
My hopes are to increse my personal amount of "forum trust" ...
... But Mr.HighTrust could be Mr.xyz in disguise, Heavily and Effectivly boosting his own trust off fake users.
xyz: Hi I would like a loan of XBTC, will repay YBTC. abc: Sure, here's XBTC. later... xyz: here is your YBTC back. abc: thank you. I and the other forum members will surely trust you now, xyz. xyz == abc. Problem? xyz: Hi I would like a loan of XBTC, will repay YBTC. abc: Sure, here's XBTC. Days later. abc: Where's my YBTC? xyz: Oh, one sec. Seconds later... xyz: Hi, I would like a loan of YBTC, will repay ZBTC. def: Sure, here's YBTC. A bit later... xyz: Here's YBTC. abc: Finally. Well, you repaid me regardless. (+1 rep) Days later: def: Where's my ZBTC? ...Repeat.  |
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