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121  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 08, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
After staying in crypto world for a while now and doing trading for some time, i have come to the conclusion that the whole market is being manipulated by some stealthy institutions. They make the market go up when not much are expecting and suddenly when the market is fully ripe, some news is thrown in the market, making it crash... Thought general public also makes little profit over time but the real profit makers are those institutions, who behind the scene, manipulate the market.
122  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 06, 2021, 08:24:39 AM

Brother, ap shayed Future trading ki bat ker rehe han spot pe toh bht kum llog itny short Time frme use kerty han. mein khud Spot market mein Day ya Swing trading kerta houn or 4Hrs or Day chart ko use kerta houn. Mein wasy Future trading ko mazhabi lihaz bi sahi nhi samjhta ku k vehan pe ap long k sath short bi kerty han jo k sahi nhi ha. Wasy bi Future Market highly risky hoti ha or vehan pe new traders akser Liquidate hee hoty han. Es liye behter ha usko avoid hee kia jai.I AM NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISOR OR ISLAMIC SCHOLAR, PLEASE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.


Bhai, mujhey bi future wali game thori islam kai against hi lagti hai ,. isi liye mei bi usay avoid kerta hon. waisay mei nai thoray thoray kar kai us mei 250usd dubo diye hain... lakin ab mei bilkull avoid kerta hn.
waisay bi bara risky kaam hai.. is liye spot hi sahi hai. aur i think future mei binance bi ziada katooti kerta hai
123  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto P2P Scam on: September 06, 2021, 08:17:34 AM
this is called "man in the middle" scam? For sure I have heard several times here in Italy. Unfortunately trading P2P crypto isn't easy and sometimes there are some tricks like this one Sad sorry for hear about your loss.

yes it is again forum rules @5thFear please delete/edit.

Deleted the contact number.. thanks for guidance..
124  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto P2P Scam on: September 05, 2021, 08:00:45 PM

 Grin Grin Grin I am sorry to say, but your story sounds bogus to me. First, you dint provide the WhatsApp number the so-called (Nigerian Guy) was calling you with cos you must have had the number right? and how did you even conclude that he is a Nigerian? You said you were getting payments in PKR rupees from all over Pakistan,, and you also said " he gave them the banking accounts of their local countries, of people like me. through which, he got the payments" are you a Nigerian too? Also, you never provided the Bitcoin wallet address you sent all the Bitcoins.
At least you did agree that you were greedy in this whole shady business you both were involved in because even you know the percentage he was given you was high and you decided to roll with it. I hope you did learn your lesson.

I have been dealing with p2p a long time and I know you cannot place a sell order if you don't have the number of crypto assets for that amount and once the buyer has made payments and confirmed, crypto assets are released. I think investors should consider the type of exchange they deal with.

 

Well, i don't know why some morons try to act like Einstein without any reason. BTW i believe ur IQ level is in negative. You don't understand english and that is why u didn't exactly got the point what i told.

BTW this incident wasn't told so that some pathetic brainless child starts his investigation.. I just told it so that someone   can learn a few things from it... I am not here to get judged from you or anyone else.. And as far as the contact number is concerned, i mentioned only the things that i thought are appropriate. BTW i have his contact number, and his chat still saved in my email.

Oh, and yes i am greedy, now u feel better Huh? btw it is what caused me to get into this and i admit it. But yeah, you pointed it out, you got me man.. u proved the world that i am greedy when i was also admitting it.

And it doesn't matter where he is from, he could had been from any part of the world. I called him Nigerian because he told me so.. And his number was also Nigerian, though the watsapp number can also be faked.. ANd no, i am not from Nigeria.. Had u read it properly, i told in it, that I AM FROM PAKISTAN...... u want his number Huh ok wait, let me give it to u .. i don't know if its against the rules of the forum, but yeah HAVE IT => (deleted as it is against forum rules)
125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto P2P Scam on: September 04, 2021, 07:45:32 PM
You should be glad you didn't get too bad and ended up safe. This lesson is enough to remind us not to act as an intermediary. The middleman has the obligation to urge the normal conduct of the transaction. Neither the buyer nor the seller is known or trusted by you, which is very dangerous.

Well, i am very thankful to Allah as i know that it could have gone much worse. Had the authorities got involved, then they would have ripped me of my money(cash) and all the cryptocurrencies, and also i could had stayed behind bars for a few years.
126  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 04, 2021, 10:41:34 AM
What is happening to Ethereum.. One way traffic lag rahi hai Etereum kai liye to.. Wats is the resistance level Huh anyone have any predictions ?
127  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto P2P Scam on: September 02, 2021, 11:15:59 AM
You forgot to mention how it ended? Did you refund them from your own pocket or something else happened?

I paid them out of my own pocket. They allowed me to refund partially and not the whole amount as they realized that i myself was also the victim.
128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto P2P Scam on: September 02, 2021, 07:54:06 AM
In the first place the reason why Bitcoin is created is to remove the middle man. Why need an escrow? You can just meetup with the person, and transact Bitcoin using your mobile aps.

The people who were sending me cash in my bank were the people who don't know about cryptos. They only understand banking so he made them send money to me through bank and i had to send bitcoin to that scammer.
129  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 02, 2021, 05:01:08 AM
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App shaid meri baat sumjhee ni. Mujhee pata hay k pakistan mein crypto mein bohat log involve hein lekin koi bhi publically  ni ker raha. Waqar Zaka aur aik TV ankor hay (aus ka name yaad ni aa raha) ka illwa koi bhi openly crypto curecny  mein kaam ni ker raha.
Underground tu bohat kuch ho raha hay.


Bhai, waqar zaka kai pechay mat lagna. baradrana mushwara hai. He is a fraud.. check this article. btw there is much more then what this article says.

https://www.parhlo.com/international-online-cryptocurrency-group-accuses-waqar-zaka-of-stealing-its-content/
130  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 02, 2021, 04:50:32 AM
I don't think kay humen yahan logon ko ye keh kar darana chahye kay crypto pak mein illegal hai. Jabke abhi tak humari government is par neutral hai.

Govt neutral hai lakin police ya koi aur jab pakar lai to phr is ko as illegal hi deal kerti hain. wo app kai saray coins wagera lai  lain ga. na sirf ye balkay aap ko sirf crypto rakhnay kai jurm mei zamanat bi kerwani paray gi jab kai crypto kai baray mei govt neutral hai lakin aap ka qanoon i think andha hai aur is ko as money laundering hi consider ker rha hai
131  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto P2P Scam on: September 02, 2021, 04:43:23 AM
If I understood correctly, you wanted to sell your bitcoins and then this guy agreed to give you a markup of 10% for your bitcoins. Then you started receiving money from different people, right? You should have stopped as soon as you realized this. Criminals try to trick people into scamming others through this way. I have also heard people get scammed when selling bitcoins. They usually receive receive money on their bank. They send the coins and later they get to know that the money has been transferred from a stolen bank account. The transaction gets reversed leaving the victim with no bitcoins or the money. Stop trading with random "unverified" people. Even if they are verified, you should still be very careful. Don't forget, people can buy verified accounts or IDs for getting verified.

Thats right. I was getting money in my bank from 3rd person and i was sending bitcoin to him against that money. Later those people who sent money in my account started contacting me and threatning me once they didn't receive their products which this scammer promised to deliver.

I have quit p2p trading after that. Don't do it for business or making profits anymore.
132  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto P2P Scam on: September 02, 2021, 04:31:52 AM
A person(probably Nigerian) contacted me from an international number using watsapp on my cell
Is there any particular reason you think this person is a Nigerian? You sounded unsure here, but went on to call them by that nationality about 3 more times.

He used an international number, which was of Nigeria. Not only that, his accent was exactly like someone from Nigeria as i have seen a few youtube videos of nigerian people talking in English,. Also when we first talked, he told me that he is from Nigeria and that there is no proper banking system and because of that the crypto trading has been used.
133  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Crypto P2P Scam on: September 01, 2021, 04:41:44 PM
I read a story, on this very forum, of a Pakistani Guy, who was picked up by authorities for trading in crypto. I also had gone through such a time where i almost landed in trouble. So let me share my story so that you guys can avoid such mistakes.

Note: Pakistan, don't allows banks to do crypto related transactions, so its P2P.

It was around August 2020, i posted buying/selling ads on a few trading exchanges. And in that i also posted my contact Number(mistake 1). A person(probably Nigerian) contacted me from an international number using watsapp on my cell and asked me that he wanted to trade with me and that he has some kind of business, and that his team would send me payments and i would have to pay him in bitcoin/ethereum against that payments.
I without much investigation, agreed to work with him, as i was just considering my commissions. As it was decided 10%, which is quiet good for me so i didn't wanted to investigate his line of work.

People used to submit money in my account, and then sent him the receipts, he then watsapp me those receipts and i believing that as he has the receipt, that guy who has sent money actually works with him. So it was good for me.

Soon, i start getting payments in PKR rupees from all over Pakistan, and i kept sending bitcoin to this guy. But i got suspicious and started to worry as i wasn't much aware of his busines but kept doing it for around 2 weeks.

But will all this, i discussed it with my brother, and he told me to stop doing this Bitcoin stuff as he is not much aware of it and also not interested.

Anyway, i told this guy that i dont want to work, and i asked him about his business and some other details.. Things starting heating up between us.
The next day, i got a call from a person, and he said that he is going to FIA as he sent money in my account(which he had) and that my other partner who had a deal to send IPHONES to him against the payment(that he sent in my account) is now not receiving his calls and not responding. He said that me and that guy are a scam and we both have done fraud and that he is going to take me to courts. I talked to Nigerian guy and asked him to send me the Bitcoin back so that i can refund that guy and avoid going behind the bars but he replied that its ur and his matter. Do whatever you want..

What actually happened was, This Nigerian guy, was doing online scams, making people believe that he'll send cheap products. So people when talked to him, he gave them the banking accounts of their local countries, of people like me. through which, he got the payments and never sent any thing to the people he promised. And it was between me and the people who sent payments to my accounts to deal with each other.

The victims were,
1. the people who by greed believed in him as the products he showcased were pretty cheap. And
2. Crypto traders like me, who by greed and better trading profits, didn't investigated much. and started paying him for the money received from third person.

Suggestion: Don't do trade for 3rd person. Only send bitcoin to the person who send you payment in your account.
134  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: At what Age will you introduce your child to trading on: August 27, 2021, 06:10:11 PM
As soon as my children get to understand it. I am planning to make my children blockchain professionals, provided they show interest in it. This is the field that is not even started yet and it'll explode soon so there is alot of opportunities that can be availed to become billionaire. So as a profession, it is going to be ideal.
135  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin possibly become the Skynet of human civilization? on: August 27, 2021, 06:06:57 PM
It can evolve to something like that or atleast the payment system between different habitable planets like earth and mars. With Tesla going for Mars, this can become a reality. The times are changing very fast and Bitcoin or its successor has a big role to play in the future civilizations of mankind
136  Economy / Speculation / Re: What make people panic sell? on: August 27, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
When it is dollars, everyone has the tendency to panic. And if the person is new to this, then yes he can fall victim very easily to panic selling. I have made alot of panic selling and FOMO buying. And still does it from time to time. It is part and parcel of the crypto industry.
137  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My friend got arrested in a p2p scam on: August 27, 2021, 02:34:43 PM
My friend .... Please share your story.

Man,.. i know what happened as i have gone through this. I won't share my story as it might get me in trouble. But what i have learnt from that is that always trade with the person who has the same name on bank account and on the p2p trading site. Don't accept payment from third person on his behalf.

This is exactly what happened. Your friend accepted payment from 3rd person and sent the bitcoin/ether to the 1st person.
Your friend was made to believe that he is receiving payments from 3rd person and that 1st person and 3rd person are doing business and ur friend is just a transaction medium between them. So he has nothing to worry about.
138  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Taliban are highly unlikely to change on: August 25, 2021, 05:28:24 PM
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If you are basing your opinion on BBC and other western media then i have to say that you are totally blind in making any assumption about what is happening in Afghanistan. Just one suggestion, don't believe anything that comes out of the electronic media. Diversify your news receiving sources and then assume something.
About Taliban, i am not with them, i an not against them, i am just happy that a foreign occupational force has left the land of Afghanistan and the people of Afghanistan can now rule their country by themselves. Even if it is Taliban, still then they are the people of Afghanistan. so stop imposing your democracy on other nations please. Thanks

(Note: I am not afghani either)
139  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: August 25, 2021, 07:44:34 AM
Need your guidance.. i bought IOTX at 0.13 and now it is close to 0.08,. what should i do now, keep holding it or shud i just switch to some more promising coin and accept the loss as is ?

G Bhai, The selling Pressure is easing out now so no worries and hold it. Insha Allah ap ko profit hee ho ga ku k yeh project acha ha or ajkal toh sari market hee down has Bitcoin ki price down hony ki waja se. Mujhy eski ek or stregth yeh nazer aati ha k yeh bht sari top class exchanges pe list ha jin mein COINBASE, BINANCE OR KUCOIN  bi shamil han. mein ne bi hold kiay hoi nhan or achy waqt ka intezar ker reha houn. LUCK IS ALWAYS WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHO WAIT.




https://www.tradingview.com/chart/IOTXUSDT/iNMDNmpk-CRYPTO-IOTX-Great-Bull-flag/


Bhai, Allah teri zaban mubarak karay. Ameen
140  Other / Off-topic / Re: do you beleive in ghosts? on: August 24, 2021, 06:12:23 PM
i have seen them in my grandmothers home when i was a child.
ok lets talk about the female ghosts. are they beautiful and hot ?? would love to see some bikini photos of some female ghosts. Do they have Mia Khalifa in them ??
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