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12081  Other / Meta / Re: False Negative Trust on: May 11, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Everything looks fine from my perspective:


But it makes my Trust Wall look bad. :/
Non-default ratings are ignored in most cases (and not visible by default).
12082  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 11, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
The good news is we have a long way to go.  14nm is 140 angstrom.  An atom is only about 1 angstrom in diameter.  So, there remains tons of room for size reduction before we get to the atom.  Looks like memory is going to be even cheaper.
Depending on who you quote you have: (so yes)
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"The diameter of an atom ranges from about 0.1 to 0.5 nanometer."
There is still room for improvement indeed. However, I don't have to tell you that it becomes more and more difficult to manufacture them (as you probably know this).

Not a problem at all.  One atom has many electrons.  Electron 'spin' has been used as a memory in the past.  So, the lower limit actually goes lower than the atomic level.
You make it sound like switching to that would be easy.

I don't care one bit if poor countries can't keep up with the cost to make a reliable network.  If only first world countries can afford to make nodes, and those nodes enable a successful cryptocurrency network, I just don't care that Zimbabwei is left out of participation.  Bitcoin is not here for the purpose of advancing socialism.  I don't like a network designed so that it will run on 'shit' hardware for the purpose of assuring everyone can participate.  It is not an important aspect of cryptocurrency that we assure all the downtrodden can have an equal chance to contribute to the network.
So you want to restrict nodes to only developed places (1st world countries)? So the end result is even further centralizing Bitcoin than it already is, correct? The reasoning is that you hope that: more capacity = more users = higher prices, right?

Just curious, how many people who consider $30 a large sum of money currently run nodes? How would it matter if Angola got a few? Describe in detail plz.
If X amount of people consider Y to be a large sum of money and Y is required to run a node, then obviously people from X would not be running a node in the first place. I'm not sure why you posted a map of the nodes though. As for that $30 example, take a look at any country where the minimum daily wage is <$1.


bitcoin nodes will grow up like it deserve Wink
No. There's no financial incentive to run one. While it might be true that: more users == more nodes, we would be just in the area of speculation.
12083  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 11, 2016, 11:51:29 AM
Memory will only gets cheaper and cheaper because there are so many new things coming up.
Why are you not happy about it is better then paying the biggest price.
You didn't read a single post in the thread, did you (e.g. "why are you not happy about this")? Designing software with an optimistic view on growth rates ends up with disaster.
12084  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is a "core dev" ? on: May 11, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
Is this a bad attempt at advertising the dying forum that you moderate? Post the charts here or go back to that cave.

That's an interesting chart, but what do you make out of it, LiteCoinGuy?
Example conclusion 1: The decision to remove commit access from Gavin is justified as he doesn't contribute anymore.
Example conclusion 2: On the seventh day, God rested but Pieter Wuille submitted a pull request. [1]


[1] - Source.


Update: I don't hate on anything; advertising that horrible forum is not in my list of favorable actions.
12085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 11, 2016, 11:43:56 AM
25 years ago when circuit feature size was 1 micron - we were saying the exact same thing.  I really don't know how anyone is doing 14um.  That seems totally impossible.  But - whatever, they are doing it.  
The problem arises when you reach the size of 1 atom.

I don't think memory capacity will continue to go down like the chart for the last 20 years.  It will go down however.  Now, memory is so fucking cheap it is shocking.  I once paid $100 / Megabyte (RAM).  Now when I buy 128GB flash for $30 I laugh my head off.  

As for bandwidth - the arguments here are hard to accept.
Again, it comes down to where the user is from. While $30 might seem like a small amount in the US, it is a big amount in remote places in the world. It comes down to whether and by how much you want to restrict node usage. Do you want nodes only to be run by people in 1st world countries?

i think better solution for this could be cd or pendrive with the copy of ledger which can be released on yearly basis. So that the one who like to host own wallet can download remaining few blocks within few hours.
Nothing prevents you from selling one, but it will get outdated pretty quickly.
12086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 11, 2016, 08:38:07 AM
Glad to see you've admitted the errors of your ways and now agree with the original post.  It takes a big person to admit they were wrong.  
I see this as a virtue, and as a rational person (I'm trying) it makes sense to admit to wrong and try to improve.

Next time - don't launch your disagreement with a personal attack.  

Sorry your upload bandwidth prices (from 2 years ago) are bad.  
I have not listed any prices? I have just elaborated as to why the internet speed in some countries are (e.g. 50/5) as I've asked.

Now get out of Zimbabwei if you want to run a node.
I don't live in such a country. My node works fine, even though it is not as useful as Soros Shorts's node (mine is not able to provide that much data).

How does RAM help my bandwidth cost?
RAM is not the only type of memory. OP is talking about storage.
12087  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 11, 2016, 08:18:05 AM
That was my assumption for movies - it was not an estimate of a full node bandwidth.  
Well, then it is technically correct (similar (but not the same) with a non-node full client).

Bandwidth is still cheap.  Your Azure package includes LOTS of other services - in addition to the bandwidth.  You are paying this price for the package of services.  You can have VERY cheap bandwidth - if that is all you need.  Your fancy Azure package is what is expensive - not the bandwidth.  
I'm not using Azure. This node is located in a remote location with a normal domestic connection (albeit, almost the top tier that is available). The last time that I've talked to a higher ISP representative (which was 2-3 years ago) they've told me that upload bandwidth is quite expensive and this is why their upload speed was much lower compared to the download one.


When you start your argument with 'doesn't know what he is talking about' - you've already abandon a logical response and started a personal attack.
That's not the intend behind the statement; I've just 'written down' the impression that I had. I've 'pulled it back' as it was a misinterpretation; there was no need to be hyperbolic about it.

I am saying you don't know the difference between memory and bandwidth.  Don't point to your Gucci Azure package - that fancy VM and other services (i.e. 100% uptime) is what really cost money - not the bandwidth.  
That would be a ridiculous statement (as my background is IT). I think that you're confusing Soros Shorts's node (which is on Azure) and mine (residential connection).


Back to memory: It does not cost much (even though we should not generalize), especially in 1st world countries (e.g. USA). It might be a bigger sum for people located in 3rd world countries. My node is currently on a 250 GB drive which I've picked up for $20 and there's plenty of space left (70+ GB).
12088  Other / Meta / Re: Account Farmers are the new Ponzis on: May 11, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
-snip-
it really isn't worth sifting through the mounds of vapid crap people post because they are being paid to do so.
Exactly. Some of them aren't even trying to improve (e.g. they ignore posts that 'overthrow' their statement.

A question for the mods: If a user posts something in a thread that has already been said and doesn't add anything new (as a lot of account farmers do), will the post be deleted as spam if it is reported?
Depends on who handles the post and how it was reported. For example: If you report post number X in a thread that has 50 pages with "spam; has been said before", this would not be helpful. If you point out the previous post that it copies indirectly (rewritten content) then it would probably be deleted. Additionally, some moderators are just softer than others.
12089  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 11, 2016, 07:52:33 AM
144GB is NOTHING!!
144GB is nothing indeed (depending where you are), however you've missed the "in 6 days" part.

You must be a very cheap son of a bitch to complain about this bandwidth since one can buy unlimited for about $100/yr.
Please link me to the ISP with an unlimited plan with decent speeds that is <$10 a month. Otherwise this is just hyperbolic nonsense.

You ONLY have to download the chain once.  
The initial download is not what the problem is nor the problem with your statement:
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People sit in their living room all over the planet streaming movies every night and you worry about 2MB every ten minutes?
Assuming that only 2MB will be spent every 10 minutes is very wrong.


There's really no need to resort to childish behavior because I've called you out on this mistake (note: Nobody said that you don't know the difference between memory and bandwidth).

Where I live, the speed of internet is very very slow. It is like 10mbit/sec.
People advocating for contentious HF's don't really care about that apparently. I can also picture memory being more expensive in those areas, am I right (storage can be quite cheap but only depending on where you're from)?


Actually that node is hosted in an Azure VM in their Japan East datacenter and costs me $120-$180 a month to run.
How? I was told that it was only that expensive in Zimbabwei Huh


Update: Several updates to post; more are probably coming.
12090  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 11, 2016, 06:40:33 AM
lol.  You only have to download the chain one time - forever.  

People sit in their living room all over the planet streaming movies every night and you worry about 2MB every ten minutes?  Clearly you failed your math A levels.  
Just another example of a person who clearly has no idea what he's talking about. No idea how I missed this idiotic post on my first visit to this thread. You obviously don't even know how nodes work. why nodes spend this much bandwidth. Seems like the original statement was correct (more or less) and I had misinterpreted it.

No you don't just download the chain and be done with it. A full node does not only download blocks - it also receives and relays unconfirmed transactions and sends out blocks to other SPV clients.
Your node could easily send out terabytes of data in 1 month if you don't restrict it.
Correct. Even nodes with lower upload connections and total number of connections send out a lot of data. In April my node spent ~150GB of data.


Update: Removed initial statement as it was a misinterpretation.
12091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / MOVED: Urgent!!! News on: May 10, 2016, 05:07:59 PM
This topic has been moved to Micro Earnings.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1467692.0
12092  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How safe is it to store your bitcoins on a mobile phone? on: May 10, 2016, 04:08:42 PM
If I backup the keys onto my phone's sdcard, don't other apps have temporary access to that file before I delete it?
Only if you give them permission to do so (Android 6.x).

I'm using a Micromax phone and I'm concerned that the phone contains pre-installed malware.
If you are concerned with pre-installed malware then it might be best to avoid using Bitcoin on that phone.

Is it better to just move the money to a wallet on my PC?
Yes. In general it is best to use Desktop wallets (in comparison to mobile and online wallets).
12093  Other / Meta / Re: Account Farmers are the new Ponzis on: May 10, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
Thought we where having a discussion here, as I read this thread it felt like you guys where close to applying the plan.
We were/are having a discussion, and no "us guys" can't apply anything.

Bullshit implies the person has no leg to stand on and should shut up. You do this often and I am always told that this is just your way but its getting old.
Did you just overreact to me using a specific word? I could have used any other word which would have the same result (e.g. rubbish or gibberish); note: "bullshit" does not imply 'shut up'. I also don't understand the use of the word "optics"; elaborate your definition of it?


TL;dr: If your posts break the rules and get deleted, you are not being censored. That was the story behind my statement. Besides, most spammers do not really care as long as they generate profit.
12094  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [WAITING ON FUNDS][EU][GROUP BUY] 2016 Bitcoin Penny™ on: May 10, 2016, 03:12:32 PM
Check your PM's.
12095  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / MOVED: My faucets on: May 10, 2016, 03:03:30 PM
This topic has been moved to Micro Earnings.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1467516.0
12096  Other / Meta / Re: Suing Bitcointalk.org and Theymos for $20,000,000 for facilitating scams on: May 10, 2016, 02:13:59 PM
No, I don't think so. He'd probably sue the Nigerian prince.
Exactly. That's why this is just nonsense. Seems like OP needs to hire a internet babysiter.

method not clear, boiled my cat and broke 3 fingers
Nice 'trollish' post. Don't forget to sue OP for faciliating harmful actions. Cheesy
12097  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memory is cheap - on: May 10, 2016, 11:30:35 AM
Here we go again, threads that are a result of inadequate research. 2 MB block size limit:
  • Increase storage requirement (the blockchain is already huge(
  • Increased network requirement
  • Attack vector at 2 MB (validation that takes longer than 10 minutes)
  • 2x TX capacity
Segwit gives you almost the same amount of TX capacity while avoiding the attack vector, scaling down the validation from O(n^2) to O(n) making it linear. It also comes with other benefits and fixes required for LN.
12098  Economy / Digital goods / MOVED: Access to 90+ Sites/Viaplay/Rogers/Hulu/DirecTV/SlingTV/Loads more !! on: May 10, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
This topic has been moved to Trashcan.
Reason: Account generator.
12099  Economy / Speculation / Re: BUY and SELL IT! on: May 10, 2016, 10:07:43 AM
Just by stating that your plan is to buy and to sell for more USD tells me that you're being fueled by greed. You should be using your Bitcoin when you want to purchase goods or services, not convert back to FIAT.

On the other hand, when is the best time to sell BTC?
Never.

Now if you want to buy because the price is not high.
then sell was at a high price, use your instinct you must know when the right time to sell.
Useless post.

Buying when the price is low and affordable and selling when the price is high and you can make a nice profit.
You don't say?  Roll Eyes


I'm actually amazed by the stupidity of these replies.
12100  Other / Meta / Re: Suing Bitcointalk.org and Theymos for $20,000,000 for facilitating scams on: May 10, 2016, 07:50:59 AM
Plaintiff: Cryptcracker and the people
Defendant: Bitcointalk.org, Michael Marquardt (Theymos) & staff



I can't even being to describe how ridiculous this is. Example: You have a hotmail account. You receive an email from the Nigerian prince asking for your personal information for money transfer. You give him that information. Things go "nicely" afterwards. Do you sue hotmail for this? The only one that needs to be blamed is your own brain. Roll Eyes
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