It depends on how you look at it. You can compare it with a piece of technology we all use - smartphones. Big companies have their flagships. Those are the most expensive phones with the best build quality, hardware, software etc. But they also have many experimental models where they test out different new features, hardware, software combinations, etc. Phones made of cheaper materials for those not willing to pay for a flagship.

If the tech they are experimenting with isn't producing the results they expected, too bad. It will stay with one of those cheaper models. That's Litecoin for you.
If it works and creates additional benefits, it will be added to the set of features on the next flagship. That's Bitcoin.

@Mulling389
I wouldn't trust the recommendations and the site the person I am quoting below suggested to you. It smells like a scam. That's how a scammer would advertise their site. Besides, the website is only 14 days old, so stay away from it. The user has already been tagged by a DT member for what they are doing.

Update:

Here is the collection for 2023. If any worthwhile discussions are started in December, I will add those to the table later. I have to figure out where to put it in the OP because I have reached character limits in the posts I reserved at the top. I asked theymos last night to assign the postID of a deleted post to my name so I can use that to add my tables. Hopefully, he will do it. In the meantime, all I can do is post it here.


2023

|	Thread Title	|	Link	|	Date of Creation	|
|	Anyone ever use Kraken's Lightning Network?	|	5475324.0	|	November 24, 2023	|
|	Problema sending from Binance to Electrum over Lightning	|	5475243.0	|	November 23, 2023	|
|	I have btc in my electrum wallet. How can I send lightning?	|	5473503.0	|	November 09, 2023	|
|	El salvador first to use lightning network in 2024 with bitcoin ATM upgrade	|	5473478.0	|	November 09, 2023	|
|	Default Lightning Network Features	|	5471574.0	|	October 25, 2023	|
|	The end of Lightning Network?	|	5471172.0	|	October 22, 2023	|
|	Bitcoin Lightning Network Growth 1212% in the last 2 years	|	5470133.0	|	October 13, 2023	|
|	Decrypt Lightning Node Client Traffic	|	5467429.0	|	September 20, 2023	|
|	lightning network raspberry PI newbie	|	5467092.0	|	September 17, 2023	|
|	Current best software for Lightning with full bitcoincore?	|	5467023.0	|	September 16, 2023	|
|	Electrum & EPS tests - Master Public Key & Lightning Network wonderings	|	5466980.0	|	September 16, 2023	|
|	[INFO - DISCUSSION] Wormhole attack in Lightning Network	|	5466886.0	|	September 15, 2023	|
|	Lightning Network All Resources	|	5466472.0	|	September 12, 2023	|
|	Let's start a lightning service provider (LSP). Who's in?	|	5466086.0	|	September 08, 2023	|
|	Safely using lightning RPC via VPS?	|	5465203.0	|	August 31, 2023	|
|	Can Submarine Swaps in Lightning Wallet increase Bitcoin Privacy ?	|	5464525.0	|	August 25, 2023	|
|	Electrum-4.4.6 Released. Fixes several lightning-related security issues	|	5464191.0	|	August 22, 2023	|
|	Some of the key advantages of lightning network	|	5463329.0	|	August 15, 2023	|
|	Can lightning channel be recovered from seed phrase?	|	5463079.0	|	August 13, 2023	|
|	Bitmart a good exchange? Now supporting lightning network	|	5461866.0	|	August 02, 2023	|
|	LIPA, a non-custodial Lightning wallet without sending function	|	5461516.0	|	July 30, 2023	|
|	Recommendations for setting up a lightning-based service	|	5461408.0	|	July 29, 2023	|
|	Lightning network	|	5461095.0	|	July 26, 2023	|
|	Binance adds support for the Lightning network	|	5460055.0	|	July 17, 2023	|
|	LNP2PBOT Non KYC btc lightning exchange	|	5458645.0	|	July 05, 2023	|
|	A little questioning on the lightning network co-operation.	|	5458777.0	|	July 05, 2023	|
|	Lightning network force close	|	5458232.0	|	July 01, 2023	|
|	Sending btc on chain to a lightning wallet produce the same thing as a mixer ?	|	5457953.0	|	June 29, 2023	|
|	Binance to integrate lightning network	|	5456989.0	|	June 20, 2023	|
|	Receiving and sending lightning payments from the command line	|	5456912.0	|	June 19, 2023	|
|	Lightning channel stuck closing, no info except remote public key.	|	5456608.0	|	June 17, 2023	|
|	LifPay: new custodial Lightning Wallet for iOS & Android📱	|	5456290.0	|	June 14, 2023	|
|	how to receive btc from exchanges to Electrum wallet with lightning network	|	5455074.0	|	June 04, 2023	|
|	Lightning Issue: Ran out of routes to try after 58 attempts	|	5454524.0	|	May 30, 2023	|
|	"Rate Limit Reached" Error When Trying to Open a Lightning Channel?	|	5454190.0	|	May 27, 2023	|
|	Lightning Labs just made "Taproot Assets" v0.2 a BRC20 alternative.	|	5453759.0	|	May 23, 2023	|
|	EttaWallet: new Lightning Wallet for iOS & Android📱	|	5453392.0	|	May 20, 2023	|
|	Electrum Lightning problem, fee rant!	|	5452384.0	|	May 11, 2023	|
|	Bitcoin Ordinals Inscription an Avenue for Bitcoin Lightning more Adoption	|	5452065.0	|	May 09, 2023	|
|	Lightning network for signature campaign payment?	|	5451904.0	|	May 08, 2023	|
|	Get funding transaction pointer from C-Lightning Node	|	5448164.0	|	April 09, 2023	|
|	Hardware/software recommendations for node/lightning/electrs/more	|	5447949.0	|	April 07, 2023	|
|	Lightning Network Transaction Pending and stuck for 3 months	|	5447821.0	|	April 06, 2023	|
|	Deposit disappearance in Lightning Node	|	5446263.0	|	March 25, 2023	|
|	Swapping BTC lightning for LTC	|	5446098.0	|	March 23, 2023	|
|	Lightning channels showing closing for weeks	|	5444139.0	|	March 09, 2023	|
|	zomg lightning netowrk payment is fast as heck	|	5441827.0	|	March 02, 2023	|
|	Is Alby a legitimate extension for lightning network usage?	|	5441729.0	|	March 01, 2023	|
|	My first pizza purchase using Bitcoin in lightning network	|	5441224.0	|	February 25, 2023	|
|	How lightning network store user data?	|	5437175.0	|	January 29, 2023	|
|	Today is Lightning Network's 7th Birthday	|	5434704.0	|	January 14, 2023	|

That "report" of his makes no sense. He created multiple threads on the matter and I don't know if he presented any proof in any of them. The one you linked to has no proof whatsoever about any wrongdoings. He wants to pay money for information about someone or for their arrest. I guess in his head, the work of the police and justice system depends on how much money you give them, not the evidence you have against them or probable cause.

Someone might have asked and commented the same already, so I apologize if I am repeating it. There were 5 pages of posts after you posted this.

The suggestion makes more sense. However there is a problem. The results you get on search engines by searching for a mixer are not to be trusted. If a user tells someone they can use ABC mixer, it's quite possible that the first 3 results on a search engine all lead to phishing sites. You are basically directing them to a phishing site without the correct URL. If the URLs are to be banned, can that same user who makes the recommendation say, contact me via PM or Telegram so I can give you the correct link? This way, no illegal links are posted on the forum.

Why does their customer service department still exist and communicates with clients if they are no longer allowing users to empty their accounts? It's no longer possible to register a new account. Weird people.
LocalBitcoins is regulated by the Finnish Financial Authorities. Tell the staff nicely again that you made an honest mistake, and if they don't want to help, you'll get the Finnish Financial Authorities involved. They might not care, but at this point, you have nothing to lose.

If it's a set of words, he can tell us it's words and how many there are without writing down the correct words, of course. If it's a private key, he can tell us which character it begins with and how many characters it has in total. Based on that information, we should be able to determine what is on his paper backup.

Yes, but OP's effective fee rate is not 35 sat/vByte, it's 18.3 sat/vByte. He will have to wait much longer. There aren't that many transactions paying +30 sat/vByte currently, and with a bit of luck it could have been confirmed within the next hours. His effective fee rate puts him 15-18 vMB from the top. Perhaps Sunday brings more luck like it did in the past when the mempools used to clear up.

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@Mulling389
Is the transaction time sensitive? Does it have to confirm until a specific point in time in the near future?
If not, just wait. Especially if you are sending the coins to yourself. The BTC isn't going anywhere. It will either confirm or not confirm and return to the original address you sent it from if mempools drop it. In that case, you can start over and pay a higher fee.

I am surprised they are still responding to email inquiries. The site announced its closure at the beginning of 2023.
Sadly, no one can help you. Unless you can personally log in to your account and withdraw your coins elsewhere. 

They still have a log in button on their website. What happens if you enter your login details, can you get access to your account? Try to reset the password via email if it doesn't work.

Since OP can't import that "phrase" he has into Bitcoin Core, it's probably not a private key or a key in a format that Bitcoin Core recognizes.
HD wallets were introduced somewhere in 2013. OP says the paper is 10 years old. It might be an early-stage recovery phrase.

The obvious question is, does the paper contain clearly visible English words or is it one big string of uppercase/lowercase letters and numbers?
Another thing. Did you invest or own bitcoin in the past and just now came across the paper?

OK. Do you care to share some feedback about the initial onboarding process with a Trezor through Wasabi instead of the Trezor Suite?

Ledger Live is open-source. Those who know how to could check that. I don't personally believe that Ledger or Trezor don't have knowledge of your master public keys and that those keys don't interact with their servers. At least with the Trezor Suite it can go through TOR. I don't think it's possible with LL. 

A minority did proper research. Others just rode the hype wave hoping it would work out in the end. Sometimes it does, more often than not, it doesn't. New entrants in the market use the positive experiences of others to justify their risky investments, but completely neglecting the mountain of negative experiences, scams, exit scams, etc. It's those people who will later come crying and shouting that bitcoin is a scam.

Bump!

I am looking for custom offers to rent out my signature, avatar, and personal text space!

Bitcoin stands on a throne of its own. No one else is on that throne that you can compare it with. Monero is a good altcoin but it doesn't and probably never will have even close to the users and holders of bitcoin. The rest are altcoins, many of which are shitcoins. There is no reason to mention them in the same sentence.

Can you make money with alts? Yes, you can, and that's all they are there for. To make a small circle of developers and creators rich and leave you with the hype bags in your possession if you didn't sell on time.

A person with common sense will never blame Bitcoin or crypto in general for mistakes they committed. If you lost your coins or got hacked, it's not the network's fault that you didn't learn how to protect your keys. Volatility is normal in bitcoin, and if you can't handle it or expect a constant uptrend, then you will be surprised.

Learn from your mistakes and take responsibility for your actions.   

A market analyst that has a history of being right when everyone else expects the opposite has stated that bitcoin isn't going above $42.000 yet unless something significant happens, like the approval of Bitcoin ETFs. In that case, who knows where it could go. He expects one more downtrend before the pre-halving bullish movement. I am curious to see what is going to happen. 

I wasn't talking about that one. It got achieved and locked a few days ago. I meant the Wasabi thread with over 50 pages. But I see now that the OP went on a locking and deletion spree for whatever reason. 

I am aware of that. You mentioned in your OP the initial setup going through Wasabi and I asked how and in what way? Has Wasabi created a tutorial for it?

I think the petition thread was locked by the staff. The last post in it was from achow101 who told everyone to chill. After that it was locked but not achieved. Any idea what's going on with Symmetrick and why he is destroyig all of his threads?

Try to stay on topic and avoid posting nonsense to avoid having your topic achieved and locked by the admin team again. It should be in your best interest.

On a serious note. How would this work?
You need Ledger Live during the onboarding process and initial setup. You need to install the crypto apps on the wallet. I guess the software already records everything it needs/wants at that stage. Trezors are shipped with no firmware installed on the devices, but I guess you can get all that from their GitHub. Can you install Ledger apps including the 3rd-party apps from their GitHub as well and set everything up through Wasabi?

Dobar način miksanja. Još ako sa kasina povučeš više nego što položiš, još bolje. Mada neke centralizirane mjenačnice ne prihvataju ni coine koji dolaze sa kasina i kockarnica. U budućnosti možda to postane češća praksa. Pročitaj ovo ako te zanima: What Do Centralized Exchanges Consider as Taint?

FatFork je već dobro objasnio. Listu gdje možeš pretraživati šta te zanima imaš ovdje: https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/
Možeš pretraživati pod filterima koji su ti ponuđeni. Možeš i preko adrese od novčanika vršiti pretragu. Ubaciš je u rubriku "ID # / Digital Currency Address". Pretrage idu i preko imena, država, naziva firmi i usluga, itd.   

I added the following threads to the table to finish the year 2022. I am just one year late.

2022

|	Thread Title	|	Link	|	Date of Creation	|
|	Breaking: Bitcoin Lightning Network to be used in fiat transfers between EU and	|	5430652.0	|	December 20, 2022	|
|	US customers of Strike can send USD to Nigeria, Kenya and Ghana using lightning	|	5426326.0	|	December 07, 2022	|
|	Any Active Mobile Wallet for C-Lightning?	|	5426021.0	|	December 06, 2022	|
|	BTC funds lost after transfer to Electrum lightning channel?	|	5425214.0	|	December 03, 2022	|
|	Kollider - a "Lightning native" exchange	|	5422825.0	|	November 23, 2022	|
|	Lightning network trading platform	|	5422123.0	|	November 18, 2022	|

Now it's time to check 2023 and collect everything worth sharing in one collection.

Black Friday week has just passed and Trezor already has a new discount for its customers. They are now offering free worldwide shipping until 15 December on all purchases. I am pretty sure we will also see special offers for Christmas and New Years Eve.