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1221  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 29, 2013, 01:43:02 AM
This hardware is insanely overpriced.

A jupiter with november shipping will only return about 20BTC in its lifetime, but KnC is charging $5000 or 25BTC.

http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=390928787.63809&dcosts=8000&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=550000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=190.75&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=3&action=calc

Why would you spent 25BTC to only get 20BTC back?

A fair price for this hardware would be 15BTC.

Insanely overpriced.  

Seems that a few disagree when given a choice. http://www.ebay.com/itm/In-Hand-KNCminer-Jupiter-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-500-GH-s-FREE-2-Day-Shipping/261314911240?_trksid=p2047675.m1986&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D361%26meid%3D2314287408239903845%26pid%3D100013%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D181248340327%26
1222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 06:03:46 PM
Just spoke with Anna and she told me my miners are ready and to be picked up by DHL today very shortly  Lips sealed

That's tomorrow to you in the UK most likely. Mine took almost exactly a day. Good to hear.

How late in the day did you get your email from DHL with the tracking number?

IT was picked up t 1pm but the email and KNC status were later that same day. It hung around in Belgium for a good long time. I think the crucial part was it arriving in the Midlands at 3am. Got to me mid afternoon that day. IF your make that plane and get to the UK early am they'll manage to get to your local depot and on the van for tomorrow.
Make sure you have the ethernet leads...that would be irritating to have to go get some late pm lol

Glad you finally got some action. Hope your rigs run as nicely as mine has so far.
1223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 05:55:48 PM
whoa, i dont know what i just did, but i did some messing around and my mercury is now reporting 163ghs on btc guild! lets see how long this lasts, lol

Messing? Looks like good messing, extra 20GH over mine which has 1% HW errors.
1224  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 04:39:41 PM
Is there a way to mine using a PC running mining software to control it? Not using the BBB and it's formware at all as standalone?


as far as I understood it the BBB is nothing without KnC's controller-board containing a FPGA for controlling the ASICs
beside this, your PC is more efficient than a BBB or what's the intention behind this question ?

In general it should be possible to connect your mainboard to the FPGA-controller through sth. like BBB's expansion headers somehow
http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Cape_Expansion_Headers
With KnC open-source code you might even figure out how the communication is done - have fun



Just for the future really, I was thinking more along the lines of replacing the BBB and gaining access via the ports that aren't available as it stands, USB for example.

I wouldn't touch it when it's running and under warranty, but it could be useful to be able to later on possibly.

Just a thought though Smiley
1225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 03:57:09 PM
Is there a way to mine using a PC running mining software to control it? Not using the BBB and it's formware at all as standalone?
1226  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [100 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: October 28, 2013, 03:53:15 PM

Hmmm...it seems the current difficulty entails 5-hour rounds.
At that rate bitcoin network will simply self-destruct in a matter of weeks. Whatever pool you look at, it's the same thing. Luck is nowhere to be found. I hope the network will learn from it and next diff increase won't be as harsh?

could you expand on this please...the luck is nowhere to be found...is this a result of hash rate on network increase..or was it just an off hand comment to blow off steam (yeah 43% on slush really is not cutting it...

thanks (a noob on such with slush/luck etc and how it relates if at all)

Searing


The way I understand it, it's like that old saying. "The harder I work, the luckier I get". The odds increase the more work done, so a larger pool will have more blocks found...but less per share. Slush seems to have had very good luck lately and now it's had a dip the other way. Bound to happen.

Bitcoin mining gets more like poker every day.  Cheesy
On the bright side, BTC are still hovering around $200 ..it could be half that.
1227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 03:08:59 PM
Just spoke with Anna and she told me my miners are ready and to be picked up by DHL today very shortly  Lips sealed

That's tomorrow to you in the UK most likely. Mine took almost exactly a day. Good to hear.
1228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 03:06:38 PM
Odd trick from my rig then, it stopped talking to me. No KNC homescreen, no ssh, no putty. Restarted it and it's ok. Not sure when it started or what caused it ..or what it was up to while I couldn't see. You're a bit lost if you can't communicate or see what it's doing. Can't update anything without being able to login to it either. Hope it's a glitch.
1229  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [100 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: October 28, 2013, 02:36:00 AM
Last one was an hour thankfully  Roll Eyes
1230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 01:55:43 AM
+ another Smiley
1231  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 01:06:13 AM
Just gonna put this out there, any jupiter or saturn owners want to sell me one of their hashing boards? i have a mercury and want to turn it into a saturn. some quick cash for you! give me a shout!
HAaaaaa....Yeah!...I'm lookin' at my sats, wanting boards now toooooooo! Smiley

Wouldn't it be nice if we could get a couple of reasonably priced (considering delays and loss of BTC waiting for slow shipments) so we could turn Saturns to Jupiters.

Sadly don't see any of that happening, nor do I see Sam compensating people who STILL are waiting for miners.



Like I said before, hitting their FB page will get their attention, and everyone else's who may consider a purchase. An extra module would probably set them about level though, make up for the losses espcially "hosted" units..can't call a pile of components hosted really IMO though.
1232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 28, 2013, 12:03:23 AM
Depressing. Someone looks to buy more boards, while I still haven' got my hosted Saturn in 39xx range deployed. Hope that KnC will pull their act together on Monday. Sad

They owe you some compo for that. That's 2 weeks late now. Ridiculous.

I've seen how this thread got a lot more quiter now, that most people have received their miner, but don't forget there are people still waiting (including me).
2 weeks delay with no compensation + November orders are coming online 2 weeks later instead of the projected 30 days.

And the worst part is that I feel hopeless  Cry

You should definitely get compensated as should anyone who hasn't had a rig yet...they said 3 days last fucking week. It's not a way to treat customers
1233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
Depressing. Someone looks to buy more boards, while I still haven' got my hosted Saturn in 39xx range deployed. Hope that KnC will pull their act together on Monday. Sad

They owe you some compo for that. That's 2 weeks late now. Ridiculous.
1234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
Don't stuck with Bitcoin.
Underperformed Saturn 180 GH/s
Bitcoin Mining BTCGuild 0,23 BTC (Daily)
PPcoin Solo mining Found 3 Blocks 3 X 207 PPC = 621 PPC X 0.0020200 (Cryptsy Price) = 1.25442 BTC (Daily)
Terracoin Solo Mining 0,3342 BTC (Daily)
 And without difficulty worries!!!


dunno if I'm using it correctly, this calculator

http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/ppcoin-mining-calculator/?h=500000.00&p=500.00&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=5941288.50405274&r=202.52862206&er=0.00196000&hc=0.00

says me that if I use a jup (circa 500GH/s) to mine PPCoins I'll get 0.67202545 BTC a day at current PPC/BTC exchange rate.

Using the same hashpower mining btc could bring me 0.6432 BTC.

Am I missing something obvious?


Same here. But, if you add your GH for your miner to that calc WITHOUT removing that 1 in the MH field so you get (1401000 MH in my case when it should be 140000MH )  you get what he said. Which looks like he calculated that, made that error multiplying his hashpower by 10 and got a nice result. 10x what the actual result will be. I get same as you do, so we're both missing something but I doubt it's a killing on PPC lol
1235  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
Don't stuck with Bitcoin.
Underperformed Saturn 180 GH/s
Bitcoin Mining BTCGuild 0,23 BTC (Daily)
PPcoin Solo mining Found 3 Blocks 3 X 207 PPC = 621 PPC X 0.0020200 (Cryptsy Price) = 1.25442 BTC (Daily)
Terracoin Solo Mining 0,3342 BTC (Daily)
 And without difficulty worries!!!


Slush gets me slightly over .3 a day with 140GH

As for temp, I've got 1.3% HW errors and it runs best as it is at 36 with standard cooling. Maybe because of the low errors eh?
1236  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
So final
The Jupiter work better when is harm or when is it cold?HuhHuh??

Someone suggested aiming a hair drier at it, done CAREFULLY  that would give you a good indication.
1237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 05:43:51 PM
I was right when I signaled two weeks ago at #kncminer channel that the Saturn seems to work better in higher temperature.
Now many people confirm it.
Going from 40-42 C to 48.5-50 C moves avg from 267 to 274 (at cgminer AND at the pool) and WU from 3850-3900 to 4010.

So, how is my merc running at 140 at 38C ? that equates to 280 for 2 modules.
I think temp increases only help some modules that for some reason aren't in the best condition. Expansion somewhere being the logical reason.

It seems to help with hardware errors. Either the clock tolerance thing or one of the assorted mechanical/ solder ball stuff. Who knows! Maybe the way to know for sure would be to play with the clock (if possible in any way). Slightly lower clock leading to significantly less errors would indicate the clock  tolerance thing rather than a mechanical/connection thing.

Also make sure you are not just taking those 140 for granted from KNC's cgminer and that you  are either computing those from shares, measuring at pool, or that your hardware error rate is negligible.




Pool and cg miner agree, within half a GH and have done since I got it the only change being updating to .97 which added 4 Gh , 36C at the moment.
I'd love to know the story behind temps ..but what works is more important I suppose.
1238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 05:27:33 PM
soy, phoenix1969, btc_uzr, (and all others I forget) WHO ARE THE UNOFFICIAL CUSTOMER SUPPORT TEAM for KNC,

I THANK YOU.

I know there many who have contributed their knowledge, expertise, and testing stats, you are included in that thank you.

I know there should be more honorable mentions, so please cont. to mention them in your replies....since this is the only true form of support we have currently. I do thank knc for their efforts as well, as they did surmount that mountain peak.

You got that right, KNC have been useless. Can you imagine how much trouble people would have had without the threads and discussions on here and their own forum? They can't even answer the phone from what I see, that's so bad after all the money they have taken from customers.
1239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 05:25:21 PM
I was right when I signaled two weeks ago at #kncminer channel that the Saturn seems to work better in higher temperature.
Now many people confirm it.
Going from 40-42 C to 48.5-50 C moves avg from 267 to 274 (at cgminer AND at the pool) and WU from 3850-3900 to 4010.

So, how is my merc running at 140 at 38C ? that equates to 280 for 2 modules.
I think temp increases only help some modules that for some reason aren't in the best condition. Expansion somewhere being the logical reason.
1240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2013, 01:44:35 PM
It's s shame that there seems to be such a variance in build quality between rigs, things like slack screws make me think whoever assembled these things probably hadn't much experience.


I doubt its the assembly. Its almost certainly because they chose not to test and bin the chips. All wafers have defunct chips and chips of varying quality, thats a given. Almost all asic manufacturers test their chips on the wafer, and then again once they are packaged, tossing out the broken ones and binning the others according to how well they perform (power consumption, clock speed, if applicable, number of working cores) and use different bins for different products (think various AMD or Intel chips with different clockspeeds), or combine good and not so good chips to get a more predictable end product (afaik, thats what BFL does).

KnC seems to solder all their chips on a module, and they will do a final assembly functional test, but whether you get 4 excellent or 4 mediocre chips or a mix of both is just a matter of luck.

Sort-a like buying any CPU/GPU -- some take clock better than others, no cause for complaints as long as all manage the datasheet specs.
If it becomes profitable in the future, KNC will sell you "Deluxe 1337 Black Edition," with 100% good cores guaranteed Smiley

Not what I meant really, the temperatures seem to have an effect on some machines but not others, they seem to all have a top end of about 140Gh per module but some take some help getting that.
True enough they rushed and didn't test the chips, but I don't think they assembled some rigs at all well at a basic level, and that's only what we can see. Leaving the sucking plastic on them doesn't show much attention to detail, so if they didn't do that simple thing what's the odds on thermal paste being well done? A few bent boards caused by the assembly or other minor defects could be why the heat makes such a change for some as they expand maybe I was thinking.

"Spoling the sheep for a hapeth of tar" my granny would say.
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