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1241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin 20 Years From Now on: December 17, 2016, 04:59:35 PM
It's too hard to predict but you can guesstimate how things are going to look at by looking at the current data. I think the Lightning Network will be at full force and we will have trillions of payments daily all over the world, everyone will use bitcoin, regardless of its if banned or not, because people are going to use it since it will be the only way to keep financial privacy.
1242  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do any people gamble under the age of 18? on: December 16, 2016, 05:22:56 PM
A lot of people gamble in videogames, for example in the pokemon games of game boy when I was a kid I used to play Pokemon Blue and there was a casino inside the game, so you could go there and spend money in the slot machines and you would win random prices, that was the first gambling I ever did and I was only a kid. I remember I got tired of it because it was too hard to win big prices.
1243  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is there any place to gamble IF the Mayweather vs McGregor fight will happen? on: December 16, 2016, 05:11:51 PM
I dont think it will happen. Boxers n MMA artists run their mouth a lot and its just to keep the hype around themselves. I personally think Conor McGregor will win if it ever happens and if it is a professional fight then I think all the major sportsbooks will have the fight listed in it if they already have a MMA/Boxing section. I think McGregor will win coz of his skills and obv he will try not to fight a boxing match and pick MMA. There's also the fact that Mayweather is about 40 years old and retired. So... u know what I mean.

It WILL happen. I don't care how long it takes.. it will. The idea of clash of the worlds, (boxing vs MMA) is very, very attractive for fans, hence for promoters and businessmen too, and finally it is too very lucrative for the fighters. Everyone wins. We all want to see what would happen if a fighter steps into someone's else world.

Mayweather vs McGregor would be the biggest selling history ever, I have no doubts about that. I think they will continue building up hype, and Mayweather will take the decision once its best for him. Mayweather is his own boss, McGregor still depends on Dana White.
1244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Maidsafe is future! on: December 16, 2016, 05:08:24 PM
Looks like maidsafe went real low and now it's going up again, but the question is, if you buy now, you are buying at the peak of this run, or we will see 20k+ again? I dont know, nobody can know, anyone that knows whats going to happen is lying.

What I know is, maidsafe was an interesting project, but they failed to deliver on time, this has broken the trust from a lot of investors that went all in on bitcoin.
1245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If Ixcoin dies then Bitcoin is also doomed on: December 16, 2016, 05:04:13 PM
This is total nonsense. Who cares about some unrelated altcoin that works under a different blockchain? it's not bitcoin, that altcoin can go and die, so what, bitcoin is growing and making great gains for holders, we are about to see the best year on bitcoin ever, 2017 will be glorious, altcoin fudsting is veyr noneffective. It's just sad to see all those shills pumping coins while claiming how bitcoin is doomed.
1246  Economy / Speculation / Re: If we didnt had idiots blocking segwit we would be sittting on 4 figures by now on: December 16, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
Actually this reply was pretty pathetic lmao, he actually posted a reply

DAFAR ROFL more like JAFFAR  Grin go back to your den
You keep ignoring how Andreas Antonopoulos is on our side. Answer: Are you going to call Andreas Antonopoulos a bankster? A Core shill? A blockstreamer? What are you call him now that Andreas agrees with Core's roadmap? Or you will keep ignoring the fact that the best experts on the field are all supporting Core's roadmap? What's your call on this? Is Roger Ver better than all of them you say?

Let me put this really simple for you.

I am against SegWit, not necessarily pro Bitcoin Unlimited. It just happens that BU has taken philosophically the correct approach to the problem.

The core should separate their enhancements into small packages and present each one to the community separately not in a foul umbrella package known as SegWit. Also I am against ugly hacks. The scaling fix should be simple and elegant aka just increasing the maximum block size.
Okay so let me get this right. What you are saying is, we should go against the opinion of experts such as Andreas Antonopoulos, which tell us how stupid it is to raise the blocksize before activating segwit, and instead listen to your opinion, or Roger Ver's opinion, because you somehow know better? Is this a fucking joke?
Nobody with a brain and invested money in Bitcoin is going to value some no nobodies opinion above Andreas and Core dev's. Get real.
1247  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NOT Upgrading to SegWit who's with me?! on: December 16, 2016, 04:47:14 PM
Can someone point me to thread or article about this segwit that would enlighten me on what the hell is going on. I'm just a plain bitcoin user, how will this affect me?

there are articles on bitcoincore.org about segwit that may interest you to know what is generally going on like this: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/

but as for other resources that may argue both pros and also cons of segwit and also is not biased i have not seen anything worth mentioning.

Thanks! Will read on it and see what I can find out about it. Reading here, I would assume that bitcoin's usage (how we use it) could be affected by some decision of people. I was under the impression before that bitcoin is already unchangeable and fixed already until forever. Well, I hope this enlightens me.

no problem.
about usage i have to say, i don't see it changing a lot because i believe that (just my opinion) more than 80% of people are only investing in bitcoin and only trading it and that 20% are mostly gambling with it and use it a little as currency.

about the change i have to say bitcoin has changed a lot since it was first released. we are using something a lot different than what satishi introduced to us.

We have a lot of people here making nonsensical claims, and always appeal to "satoshi" as if he was the ultimate prophet or jesus christ himself. satoshi did a lot of mistakes, he came up with the original idea, but he did not predict that things would end up like this.

Core devs have adjusted to the situation in the correct way, and that is, to put the node decentralization as the first priority. satoshi would have agreed with them if he was still around. He would hate to see the stupid situation we are at right now with idiots claiming segwit is a bad idea.
1248  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and Conservatism on: December 16, 2016, 04:17:13 PM
I know people of all ideologies that are pro bitcoin and own some bitcoin (of course not in real life only online people since I have never seen anyone in real life that knows what bitcoin is) but I have noticed that a lot of people on bitcoin are libertarians and usually don't like the state interventionism policies.
1249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dead / Dying Coins you want revived on: December 15, 2016, 06:14:59 PM
Ehh not many of them to be honest. Most coins are absolute trash and bring nothing new to the table, and those that bring something new are actually nonsensical gimmicks.

I would like to have a strong Litecoin. It's always a cool idea to have a "silver" of crypto, and cobble seems like a guy that has common sense, he is going to adopt segwit soon in Litecoin, I would like to see that play out.
1250  Economy / Speculation / Re: If we didnt had idiots blocking segwit we would be sittting on 4 figures by now on: December 15, 2016, 06:12:09 PM
Actually this reply was pretty pathetic lmao, he actually posted a reply

DAFAR ROFL more like JAFFAR  Grin go back to your den
You keep ignoring how Andreas Antonopoulos is on our side. Answer: Are you going to call Andreas Antonopoulos a bankster? A Core shill? A blockstreamer? What are you call him now that Andreas agrees with Core's roadmap? Or you will keep ignoring the fact that the best experts on the field are all supporting Core's roadmap? What's your call on this? Is Roger Ver better than all of them you say?
1251  Economy / Speculation / Re: If we didnt had idiots blocking segwit we would be sittting on 4 figures by now on: December 15, 2016, 05:05:06 PM
Just do the right thing and REJECT SEGWIT. It is a secret bankster takeover.

I have switched from Core to Bitcoin Unlimited because BU allows me to define my own maximum block size limit that my full node is going to accept. SegWit is an ugly hack that will scare away new contributors from the project. Just look at this video about segwit. It explains perfectly why it should be discarded. SegWit is a trojan horse.

I'm against SegWit because I know how this goes. You can't throw a frog right into boiling water because it immediately jumps out from the water. But if you slowly warm up the water until it start boiling the frog won't notice and will boil to death. Same with Bitcoin. SegWit is the beginning of a slow temperature rise. It will gradually get worse and worse until at some point the code is an absolute mess and the only party who knows how to decode it are the Core/Blockstream guys. At that point they are the owners of Bitcoin. Then, Core team is to Bitcoin what Ethereum Foundation is to Ethereum. They start slipping in bailouts, they start reversing transactions and who knows what other evil shit.

The United States imposed income taxes briefly during the Civil War and the 1890s, and on a permanent basis from 1913. As you can see, income tax is a rather young tax and if I'm not wrong then in the very beginning it was only something around 1%.

The opponents of the income tax were extremely hostile towards it and their main argument was that next year it is going to be 2%, then 5%, then 10% and so on. And that's why income tax should not be allowed at all. And the opponents were right but the people didn't believe them. So the cat got out of the bag and the income tax became immorally large rather quickly.

You have to look farther into the future with these things. SegWit itself might not be THAT bad but it is a step in the completely wrong and unwanted direction. If we allow SegWit to go through then you can be sure it won't be their last ugly hack. And with each such "enhancement" the power over the Bitcoin protocol gets more and more centralized around Blockstream. Who knows, they might even want to change the license of Bitcoin from open-source to proprietary. They can't do it right now but after delivering hundreds of changes to the code it becomes plausible.

But the worst thing about SegWit is the fact that it is totally unnecessary. Just make it possible for each node to configure their own maximum block size limit and we'd have a small and elegant fix to the whole scaling problem.

If you don't buy that then try to follow this line of logic:
1. SegWit adds enormous complexity to the Bitcoin software.
2. The more complex code the bigger the risk of introducing a critical vulnerability.
3. I have a lot of bitcoins which I don't want to risk in the hands of the Core team.
4. Especially if the risk is not justified (a simple and elegant alternative exists)

I'm promoting BU because it is currently the only alternative to Core. Ideally full node devs would also be decentralized so that no team has more power than others over the Bitcoin protocol. If BU support starts nearing 50% then I'd prefer to use a third alternative and so on.

SegWit is like a deceptive box of bad apples. It is filled with rotten fruits but on the top there are some nice fruits. I would like have those good apples without the rotten ones. Whenever I see tactics like that it's a BIG RED FLAG for me. Banksters and corrupt politicians are infamous for these methods. They "smuggle in" the vile laws with a bunch of righteous ones. Why did they make such a bundle? That's why I don't support it. Core devs should offer the features one by one and let the public decide which ones they like and which ones not. The fact that they attempt to smuggle in their foul code in a bundle of all kinds of features is dirty playing.

So yes, SegWit has all the marks of a sinister agenda. If it looks like a bankster takeover then it probably is. Better safe than sorry. And more decentralization (regarding full node devs) wouldn't hurt Bitcoin anyway.


So Andreas Antonopoulos is supporting the banksters too?

https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/733702311306887168

Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one that knows how Bitcoin works is supporting BU, which is funny that is often brought up as the solution for the "segwit complexity" when BU only adds more complexity to the protocol when they find problems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5h70s3/bitcoin_unlimited_bu_the_developers_have_realized/

BU has already been debunked as unstable piece of shit. Nobody with a brain is supporting it, that's how it is. I hope that you are at least getting paid to shill BUllshit. It's funny that you take this narrative of Core being pro bankster when Core has the real crypto anarchist legends like Adam Back on board while the rest have total nobodies and some guy that got lucky and bought a Lamborghini with Bitcoin and calls himself "Bitcoin Jesus" while not knowing shit about Bitcoin.
1252  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is there any place to gamble IF the Mayweather vs McGregor fight will happen? on: December 15, 2016, 04:26:58 PM
This is going to happen! The disses and beef continues, Floyd Mayweather recently was mocking Conor McGregor in a live stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiQanaNYQh0

All this contant fucking around by both fighters will lead to the biggest payday on the entire of fighting, and in gambling too. A lot of people will become rich that night. Im betting for a Mayweather win, but of course, if he gets caught in a bad luck punch, McGregor can hurt him, he has been hit before after all... if McGregor wins it will deliver tons of money because he will have very bad odds...
1253  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 206: Holloway vs. Pettis Prediction and Info Thread on: December 15, 2016, 04:20:34 PM
The original UFC 206 wasnt Cormier vs Johnson? I think it got cancelled because of a Cormier injury, it sucks since I was looking forward to that match. I was hoping for a Cormier win, then a Jon Bones Jones rematch.

Btw did anyone see this fight? Jon Jones wrestled Hendo recently:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYAuAwIEL6M
1254  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin is the best future currency? on: December 15, 2016, 04:12:42 PM
Bitcoin will always have the advantage of being the first, first in this type of project is very important, since it has the property of being a store of value, and the longer a store of value has been alive the more valuable it becomes, therefore bitcoin will always have this heads up, but not only this, bitcoin got the best programmers in the game. Nobody can top it.
1255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Will Kill The Income Tax on: December 15, 2016, 03:50:31 PM
The thing is you can't never fully avoid taxes. There's people here being delusional about living in a tax free world, I think that's so stupid. For that to happen, we would need to live in crypto anarchy, I don't see that ever happening, there will always be someone on top. What we need is a tool that is able to give us protection against this government on top, because governments are always corrupt, just like any group of people.
1256  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What would the Casino of your dreams look like? on: December 13, 2016, 03:27:48 PM
I have thought about the idea of starting a physical bitcoin casino. I think in the future it will be a bit niche to exploit, but i would need too much money for the investment which i dont have. If i was already rich like trump, I would use daddys money to create an amazing physical casino where people can come in and gamble with bitcoins in real life.
1257  Economy / Speculation / Re: If we didnt had idiots blocking segwit we would be sittting on 4 figures by now on: December 13, 2016, 03:25:04 PM
If we didn't have idiots blocking a block size increase, we'd have had it a year ago.

(Maybe. Maybe not. But equally as unprovable an assertion)

Putting the brakes on Bitcoin adoption in its early stages seems pretty damn unsafe thing in my book. It's like they want to give governments time to wake up and crack down on it. To be decentralised, Bitcoin needs to be used by millions of citizens willing to riot in the street if it is banned. It needs to become as ubiquitous and essential as the internet.

Core should have gone to 2 MB a year ago, and there would be literally no problems, everyone would be happy, all businesses would be reassured that the devs are willing to scale Bitcoin... but Nope, they are completely unwilling to compromise, they choose idealism over pragmatism and to hell with the proletariat who might want to actually use Bitcoin.

Wrong. The likes of Andreas Antonopoulos are against raising the block size before we activate segwit, because raising the block size before activating segwit would open space for exploits and attacks. So you are calling Andreas Antonopoulos an idiot? Get real. He agrees with Core devs because they actually know how shit works. Not to mention how dumb it is to complain about lack of scaling while blocking something that actually adds capacity to bitcoin while solving problems we need before we continue scaling.

There is never going to be a block size increase before segwit because it's just stupid, so if they keep blocking segwit, bitcoin will stay as a safe haven and not a viable currency. If you don't like this then blame those that block segwit.
1258  Economy / Speculation / Re: is it time to start seriously talking about a $5000 BTC on: December 13, 2016, 03:22:13 PM
The key is stability, BTC has reached $1000 before but never stabilised for a significant period of time.

If BTC stabilised over $1000, I would say it's possible, although other factors are involved and have to be considered

Marketcap is too small for stability. Sure we will see long periods of stability, but the rises will be abrupt and heavy. We will be sitting at 1200 ish, we will see a dip because of the psychological factor of the ATH, idiots will wait for too long and smart money will quickly join in to be loaded for the actual rise. We will peak high as the sky and we will see a strong correction. It will not be a nice and smooth growth in my book.
1259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Giving up on Bitcoin... on: December 13, 2016, 03:10:52 PM
And the price just keeps climbing.   Wink
And the functionality just keeps falling.

Yeah, people keep seeing more and more value in something that supposedly keeps falling in functionality.

Again you dumb retard, Bitcoin will stay as the best safe haven on earth if the idiots blocking segwit continuing doing so. If they start listening to intelligent people like Andreas Antonopoulos for example and not FUDsters like you, they will learn the fact that:

1) Increasing block size before segwit activation is a mistake
2) ALL Core devs except one want to increase the block size eventually, so no "1MB forever" FUD here.

But sure, "TKeenan", whoever the fuck that is, knows more about Bitcoin than Andreas Antonopoulos!

1260  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why taking time in Segwit implementation might be a good thing... on: December 13, 2016, 03:04:29 PM
This is pretty good. I always liked Litecoin and cobble seems like a reasonable person that supports core devs and segwit. I would like to see what happens if it's activated in Litecoin. I might buy some Litecoin just to show support. I think it's very undervalued now compared to bitcoin, it may pump hard in the future.
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