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1241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Weidmann warns of currency war risk on: January 25, 2013, 12:12:05 AM
Given the amount of money they "earn" vs the amount of value they produce, it's ridiculous they havent been strung up in the streets decades ago. Ignorance of the masses is the only thing stopping this occurring today.

This is not responding to the point of my post.

There exist bankers who do produce enormous amounts of value. Take an investment banker who makes the correct decision as to where to allocate a billion dollars. Say the company he allocated it to has a production efficiency 30% above average, and any commonly available system would have selected a company with "just" normal efficiency.

The banker in effect created productivity equivalent to the value of 300.000.000 dollars! Even if he gets paid a hundred million for it, that's still a damn good deal for everyone.

We can go into detail as to why such things can happen and how often they should happen, but that's statistics and should not affect how we see the moral issue. It's also not something for anyone to judge on a whim; we'd need a rigorous model which nobody might have yet.

Again: please distinguish between bankers who just do their jobs and those who actually cheat their way to other peoples' money! Earning a lot of money does NOT equal being an evil person or being harmful to society, because trade and investment are NOT zero-sum games. People who don't make that distinction just aim for stealing from the wealthy and sharing the loot. That's immoral, and very damaging to society.

Just go hit on the central bankers who print too much money and even buy government debt with it. And on those who got ties to politics and take "bail-outs" tailored for their poor little special bank. THAT is immoral.


While your example might have applied in the past (and this is in itself a morally charged debate), where is the value creation today in the age of crowdfunding & open everything?  What does he do that the crowd and an efficiently informed funding market cannot?
1242  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: January 24, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Yep, called it. We could even end up positive for the day.
I'll take all of your coins. And cash. For pennies.

1243  Economy / Speculation / Re: All time high on: January 24, 2013, 10:45:34 PM


You sir win the internet
1244  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: January 24, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
How I like bursting bubbles....

this time it will be different. just watch

Yep, called it. We could even end up positive for the day.
1245  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 10:29:40 PM

Unimpressed cat expected more from the bears

lol!  where do u get all the great gif's?

There are some advantages to being a seasoned internet nerd
1246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 10:12:15 PM

Unimpressed cat expected more from the bears
1247  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 10:02:02 PM
there was no 10.000 * 0.1BTC order stuffing during this drop!!!!

i don't understand


Apparently someone purposefully created a bot during the last crash to stop people from making/cancelling orders. Pretty slick actually, but also pretty fucked up.
1248  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 09:06:20 PM
Ugh I wish transferring money from my stock account to mtgox was as fast as making a bitcoin transaction!

1249  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 08:39:22 PM
I'm calling the bottom
1250  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 07:55:37 PM
Happily holding

1251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
17.80..



We went TOO fast, we are now sinking. See you at single digits!

Price is rising again. Maybe you can find someone to play with you over at Litecoin

1252  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: January 24, 2013, 07:09:32 PM
How I like bursting bubbles....

this time it will be different. just watch
1253  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 07:08:03 PM
17.80..

We went TOO fast, we are now sinking. See you at single digits!

Proudhon, get on your main account, you aren't fooling anyone.

Probably just a guy that sold his wad actually
1254  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buyers like lemmings driving a spike to $19 on: January 24, 2013, 07:43:35 AM
$0.05 by the end of the week ....  

$0.05 per mBTC that is.

Oh god the squinting necessary on that font
1255  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 04:55:37 AM
A short squeeze maybe ongoing somewhere....

I would seriously hate to be on the other end of that right now.
1256  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 04:49:52 AM
lol bid wall at 18 ffs
1257  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 04:45:57 AM
lol someone just took a 2198 bite out of that 4000 wall  Cheesy
Thats awesome!! LOL

Aaand it's gone  Smiley

1258  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 04:21:25 AM
What happened? :-)This rally is American bull? Alarm 18$ woke me up :-)

I dunno, this is probably AUS actually. Those guys like them some silk road from what I hear
1259  Economy / Speculation / Re: Weidmann warns of currency war risk on: January 24, 2013, 04:19:54 AM
Why is it that everyone correctly talks about the wrongs of money printing and central banks, but then accuses all bankers in general?

Some of them are hard-working people doing a productive job. I'd prefer it if we keep the angry comments aimed at the ones who cheat by printing money, spreading misleading information or engaging in corruption. It might not be good to take a stance like "we are the 99%, so now we demand money from whoever has more of it than we do". I agree many rich people got their money through questionable means like constructing monopolies or lobbying with politics. Yet there are those who did no such things. They have a right to do whatever they want with whatever absurd sums they control -- because they earned that money in fair trade and that's that. (Also, history shows that punishing people for performing extraordinarily is no good strategy.)

The money supply is handled through transparent auctions in most places, so it's fair to say that "normal" bankers can predict inflation no better than any other trader. I don't see a fundamental flaw apart from the central banks' insane bond buying and excessive tendency toward inflation. The other problems stem from corruption and bureaucracy, so that's part of the more general problem of defunct politics.

And I don't get the inter-country inflation competition. How does that solve anything? People can export more to get devalued money in return? Great plan. Huh

Given the amount of money they "earn" vs the amount of value they produce, it's ridiculous they havent been strung up in the streets decades ago. Ignorance of the masses is the only thing stopping this occurring today.
1260  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 24, 2013, 04:05:15 AM


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