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1261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Few questions regarding the way it is planned to work on: October 12, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
I just read on ICONOMI thread that they are working on insurance something like that

Can you pls give me a link where it explained? It can be useful to discuss it with ICONOMI.

my question is  are you thinking in the direction of insuring Blockchain projects in future or forming partnership with them, but I just don't know how it will play out if ICO fund got hacked the way Slockit DAO fund was hacked, I think this is another market niche you guys can explore.

There are many risks for thinking about. Insurance of some risk requires a development of strong and clear insurance model. And of course, we plan to increase Inchain insurance offer in the future.

But if you already have some suggestions about insurance of ICOs - welcome)

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But if you already have some suggestions about insurance of ICOs
What is to insure in ICO if the project has strong escrow? If it doesn't - it is not worth investing in..

What risk can be insured in this case?

that's my point exactly. Insuring ICO makes no sense to me. ICO project should have its own escrow, and that should be enough. You can't insure success of project..
1262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 12, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
ETH network is quite stable now:

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Hi, here's Ethereum Wallet + Mist Beta update. It bundles the Geth version 1.4.17 "PoolAid". Our colleagues at the Go-ethereum worked hard to give us this version.

This update is highly recommended and fixes most of "stuck syncing…", or "high memory usage".

From Geth repository:

Geth 1.4.17 is a hotfix release to address two DoS attack vectors abused on the mainnet:
This release limits the number of transactions per-user and globally so as to limit maximum memory consumption and egress network traffic.

They have also made the gas limit to avoid mass attack to the network.

So ICONOMI staff must know this situation, and they also know the gas limit will remain for months.

Their blog post about the delay is no sense, they have choose ETH network but they did not read the mist update for days.(or not??)

Here is full of puppets and lambo boys, well i'm a real investor and i don't like this fake post about the delay, is unprofessional and remember you are talk also with people that knows crypto very well, so please don't use fake information.

The ETH network situation will remain like this for months, they have to fork again, do you know that ICONOMI team or you will post delay over delay blog post for months?

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Here is full of puppets and lambo boys, well i'm a real investor
Big dogs don't bark (they don't need to)..
Just in case the big investor needs clarification: Big investors don't write that about themselves, it is written by others
1263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 12, 2016, 12:15:50 PM
What happend if eth blockchain do not return to optimal funcional.
its restored already for a full day
get the latest release

Why in your opinion only ETH have such attacks?
For me looks like poor design.
PS: Fix with fork rising fees 20x will kill some business.
My 1st ETH project and only problems on the way.
Are you telling me there's a coin out there that has NOT been attacked?   Tongue
sure. Pizza coin. Also bikercoin, if I am not wrong
 Wink
1264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Few questions regarding the way it is planned to work on: October 12, 2016, 12:14:28 PM
I just read on ICONOMI thread that they are working on insurance something like that

Can you pls give me a link where it explained? It can be useful to discuss it with ICONOMI.

my question is  are you thinking in the direction of insuring Blockchain projects in future or forming partnership with them, but I just don't know how it will play out if ICO fund got hacked the way Slockit DAO fund was hacked, I think this is another market niche you guys can explore.

There are many risks for thinking about. Insurance of some risk requires a development of strong and clear insurance model. And of course, we plan to increase Inchain insurance offer in the future.

But if you already have some suggestions about insurance of ICOs - welcome)

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But if you already have some suggestions about insurance of ICOs
What is to insure in ICO if the project has strong escrow? If it doesn't - it is not worth investing in..
1265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Few questions regarding the way it is planned to work on: October 12, 2016, 12:10:53 PM
Hi there

few questions popped up in mind, would like to have some clarification on them

Do you have, or plan to partner with other insurance company or financial entity?
How much of deposit contract is enough insurance? Currently the banks make bets with each other to cover insurance losses.
How do you plan to handle that? Insurance policies need deep pockets

thanks

Hi! We already communicated with one world insurance company about our concept and it is interesting to them, but main their question was how it will be regulated because real Incurance is very regulated.

We will continue to attract more insurance companies to Inchain concept. I think it can be useful to all.

Because Inchain issues insurance bonds and sells them there is a risk transfer process from insured to investors. In this case, insurance fund contains enough of assets to ba able to pay insurance payments if insurance case issues. Look Inchain financial model here to better understand how it works: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2p42p0_z54DRzh0cmtDcGNhSEE

Cheers


thanks for the response!
1266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Iconomi platform security audit on: October 12, 2016, 11:57:26 AM
Hi @Iconomi team

few questions regarding platform security:

1. Did you have external expert/company auditing the platform from security point of view? Have any penetration tests been made?

2. Who is the company CSO?

3. Will ICN tokens be held in an offline storage, just like the funds? That is for people who choose to keep their tokens on the platform. Will it be multisig as well?

4. Do you plan on any type of funds insurance?

I think clarifying the above questions will make non technical and non crypto investors much more confidant. It will also help attract new investors

thanks a lot, you are doing AMAZING job. Keep up with setting new standards for all other projects outthere

PS' and may all bounty crybabies won't break your spirit

Still waiting for answers to these great questions ...

Hi guys! Very good questions in deed.

1. Fund management platform will come in 2017... Auditing the platform before the public launch is planned. We will communicate details, once there...

2. Our infrastructure lead Domen Skalar is acting CSO.

3. We will apply both. Everything we do is multisig and we will hold majority of ICN tokens left on the platform in the offline storage.

4. We are strongly evaluating this possibility. With every insurance company we talked so far, we got stuck at "blockchain, crypto, whaaaat?" ... 


Jaka Mele
ICONOMI

Jaka, thanks for respond.

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1. Fund management platform will come in 2017... Auditing the platform before the public launch is planned. We will communicate details, once there...
What about Performance fund? It is schedule to go live this year and it is quite healthy already. Will it be audited as well? Please elaborate on that a bit more, if you can.


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3. We will apply both. Everything we do is multisig and we will hold majority of ICN tokens left on the platform in the offline storage.

Joining ttookk question: This probably means that withdrawing ICN from the platform will be a semi-automatic process, right? So, it would take a while, let's say 1-2 days?
and would like to add: Will it be possible to withdraw part of the tokens from the platform, or just the entire bulk?
1267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Iconomi platform security audit on: October 12, 2016, 11:52:26 AM
Maybe speak with inchain.io

hmmmm....  Grin



Looks like Heisenberg stepped up his game with the money laundring  Grin

I was thinking the same thing!! My g/f is watching Breaking Bad now, and I actually thought posting the same in their threat
 Smiley Smiley Smiley
1268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Iconomi platform security audit on: October 12, 2016, 11:40:48 AM
Hi @Iconomi team

few questions regarding platform security:

1. Did you have external expert/company auditing the platform from security point of view? Have any penetration tests been made?

2. Who is the company CSO?

3. Will ICN tokens be held in an offline storage, just like the funds? That is for people who choose to keep their tokens on the platform. Will it be multisig as well?

4. Do you plan on any type of funds insurance?

I think clarifying the above questions will make non technical and non crypto investors much more confidant. It will also help attract new investors

thanks a lot, you are doing AMAZING job. Keep up with setting new standards for all other projects outthere

PS' and may all bounty crybabies won't break your spirit

Still waiting for answers to these great questions ...

Hi guys! Very good questions in deed.

1. Fund management platform will come in 2017... Auditing the platform before the public launch is planned. We will communicate details, once there...

2. Our infrastructure lead Domen Skalar is acting CSO.

3. We will apply both. Everything we do is multisig and we will hold majority of ICN tokens left on the platform in the offline storage.

4. We are strongly evaluating this possibility. With every insurance company we talked so far, we got stuck at "blockchain, crypto, whaaaat?" ... 


Jaka Mele
ICONOMI


Maybe speak with inchain.io
Smiley
Personally I think we are 2-3 years ahead of a platform like that. It is way too complicated now. Keep in mind that traditional insurance entities are backed up by huge financial monsters (banks and other huge insurance companies). I just don't see it working anytime soon for crypto.
Just think how much money they will have to have if polo gets hacked.. And that is just one excahnge
1269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 12, 2016, 09:27:34 AM
Please dont say things like "ICN will be above 1$ after 1 hour".  Totally not real expectations..  

If it is on polo, it is likely, if only on bittrex, completely impossible, I agree, those lambo trolls say this, they want to dump at 1 usd to get lambo.  No way

It should go to 10 for me to get a lambo :/
anywhere above 7$ and I am quitting my day job. Wouldn't waste money on lambo, though.. Prefer yacht
Smiley
1270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Few questions regarding the way it is planned to work on: October 12, 2016, 09:24:30 AM
Hi there

few questions popped up in mind, would like to have some clarification on them

Do you have, or plan to partner with other insurance company or financial entity?
How much of deposit contract is enough insurance? Currently the banks make bets with each other to cover insurance losses.
How do you plan to handle that? Insurance policies need deep pockets


thanks
1271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Iconomi platform security audit on: October 12, 2016, 09:13:51 AM
Hi @Iconomi team

few questions regarding platform security:

1. Did you have external expert/company auditing the platform from security point of view? Have any penetration tests been made?

2. Who is the company CSO?

3. Will ICN tokens be held in an offline storage, just like the funds? That is for people who choose to keep their tokens on the platform. Will it be multisig as well?

4. Do you plan on any type of funds insurance?

I think clarifying the above questions will make non technical and non crypto investors much more confidant. It will also help attract new investors

thanks a lot, you are doing AMAZING job. Keep up with setting new standards for all other projects outthere

PS' and may all bounty crybabies won't break your spirit

Still waiting for answers to these great questions ...
I posted on reddit channel as well. Guess the team has a lot on their plate right now with the token distribution. If you have additional questions regarding platform security, feel free to add
Let's give the team the time to prioritize and properly answer
1272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 12, 2016, 08:35:11 AM
Is there explanation for difference between
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OPTION 1. Keep your ICN tokens in the ICONOMI ICO wallet.
OPTION 2. Provide your own ETH address.

?

If I keep these in ICO wallet, will I be able to move the tokens (to exchanges or local wallets, etc ?)
If I decide for option 2 - does that mean that I'll have ETH coins and no ICN tokens?

Thanks
If I decide for option 2 - does that mean that I'll have ETH coins and no ICN tokens?
Sounds that you are not familiar with eth based tokens. I'd suggest you to go for option 1 and keep your tokens on the platform
If you choose for option 1 - please make sure you have long (min 12 characters, I'd go for even longer) password that has nothing to do with your registered email password. Enable 2FA and you should be good to go
1273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 12, 2016, 07:50:53 AM
I predict 100$ by end of day 1  Cheesy

It will be?

We can't know excatly. Investing isn't a exact science.

Here is my current conservative investment science for ICN [Iconomi]:


https://s21.postimg.org/5d44ycm8n/Iconomi_Jun_2017.jpg

ICO price is 0.12 usd, 30 is a dream we can see during sleeping.

Also - your price chart doen't make sence to me. Funds will be operational already this year, and the final stage of the platform beginning next year. According to your graph price will remain pretty much the same for few months after platform is operational, and then BOOM - 200x in less than a month.
It will be more of a linear line goes up with few dips when ppl will sell hard ( around 1-2$,5$, 10$)
It is not another speculation-based niche coin and what you show fits more for that and not for an active fund management platform
1274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 12, 2016, 07:40:12 AM

"hi" what a strange user name...  This screenshot doesn't prove that Liqui has participated in the ICO


it is true. It can be trick using inspect element on browser or adobe photoshop edit. I will be convince that liqui holds that ICN once the ICONOMI team confirms that "Hi" have that amount of ICN!
But for now, Liqui's claim is just a hearsay, Trade with extreme caution! Smiley

Ok, guys - one more time. We send customers funds in ICO and collect all transaction data in this doc - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1noAF1GSCVpRjIBP0FDaMQdSDqexVzxV5bYiwH66droI/edit#gid=0.

If it difficult to open doc, see this transactions here:

1) https://blockchain.info/tx/7df5858a5dda692d233aa3cae24a639938d5b3353a046f47970f53b12844a005
2) https://blockchain.info/tx/c99033ecd95e218df47a12f6575f2cb3d188c6c6aaa9618a709503acc6a84ff6
3) https://blockchain.info/tx/060615a31fef2b3905615dcc0e5a7a3c9bc08c513bdf5d0a1caa581c756a7281
4) https://blockchain.info/tx/2ac80ddc41d6fdd53f4cd2e130e88c58d3171237dc94ebef69ce374974505fc0
5) https://blockchain.info/tx/edc0131f992b0a2fa48b28a37472bb9e57cc11083025598e83a780be47d0d19d
6) https://blockchain.info/tx/ddc9c6b983b564376144948d6c9d35172c8ee1892757681419c6f8ea2087d7fd
7) https://blockchain.info/tx/fa4dff49a67e1783983dbabfd0a8c6a36e62abc35cdb267ff9386ed67f573074


So our IOU tokens cryptographically verified. All transactions sent from signed Liqui wallet - https://blockchain.info/address/19f11rD8xtSoCzwbxgqYmAbnXTqexG9Jma.

P.S. regarding ICO cabinet username - it is hi@liqui.io Smiley


why don't you share a screenshot of the FINAL amount of ICN tokens, and not estimation? Also, how much IOUs you have? Can you show a proof that it is less or equal to the final amount of ICN tokens you have purchased?
1275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 11, 2016, 08:53:31 PM
Hey, can you please do a Google spreadsheet showing the "genesis block" to show how much ICN went into each of the 3508 user accounts?  Distribution statistics are important to see and consider...

Sure.
Here is genesis block spreadsheet for 85m ICN tokens.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FztYXiSJy5Ps2xc2nF4D8SHmVEimeFpAzeCfXkptQ00/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks, EXTREMELY interesting data....

Out of 3508 ICO investors, 25% of all available ICN worth $3.10M total is held by 12 people
Out of 3508 ICO investors, 50% of all available ICN worth $6.20M total is held by 68 people
Out of 3508 ICO investors, 75% of all available ICN worth $9.30M total is held by 582 people

Out of 3508 ICO investors, 2926 are splitting only 10% of all available ICN worth $1.25M among themselves.



Another fun fact.  Roughly speaking, 500 of the 3508 investors put in more than 5 BTC and 3000 put in less than 5 BTC.  

Wasn't 5 BTC the cutoff for the "free delivery" ICONOMI Visa Debit card?  Where do we enter our shipping address for those?

Maybe this will get a little time cause they need contact some factory to get a contract for this. And all FIAT investors just have your billing address if they post the true address

If 50% of ICO is in 68 people hand, i don't think price will be dropped down. More people will take part in ICONOMI Project buying from bounty hunters
If large amount of coin is held by small percentage of people,chances of them controlling the ICN is high and they can manipulate the prises at there will

nee, don't think so. Price will be driven by the platform performance. Unless you are talking short term
1276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Someone to recommend good ICOs? on: October 11, 2016, 08:46:44 PM
Please suggest here good ICOs to invest and why is good.

You should do your own due diligence - asking and then looking into what someone else is suggesting is not a smart way to start

In general, I would recommend focusing on platforms and not features coins. Look for the dev team, and the idea behind it - will it be relevant in 1-2 years? Is it a service/idea exisitng from non-crypto world, or a new niche-like idea?

you know, things like that
1277  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Someone to recommend good ICOs? on: October 11, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
You should consider Inchain. It should be a very good insurance project. But remember always do your own research.
Oh I almost forgot there will be also Wings ICO.
as for inchain:

I think inchain idea is 2-3 years ahead. It is still too early for that, and a lot of variables need to be answered first.
Most important - how much of deposit contract is enough insurance? Currently the banks make bets with each other to cover insurance losses.
I wouldn't invest there before they partner with some major insurance company.
Also not sure about the dev team, haven't checked it thoroughly - and that is where you should start for every ICO
1278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 11, 2016, 02:29:54 PM








This is great, I see lots of new users popping up  Cool

haha, good pics
1279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 11, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
*** strong team that understand the market.***
***and not another pump'n dump project***
***

I want to be live you but man this is crypto ^^

well, ~ 1/3 of ICO money came from fiat - non crypto. And wait for the big fiat-based funds money to flow in
Not the typical crypto-niche product/feature project, but a platform that is addressing REAL world money and assets

You are more than welcome to dump your shares
Smiley
1280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 11, 2016, 12:47:00 PM
...

Call it how you want penalty,bonus it doesn't matter 15m of ICN are for free it costed 0$ in real cash.
Someone can dump them for 10% of ICO value and he is still with profit from that.
While $ investor selling below 22000 sat will take loss.
We will see when trading will start how it will work.
it doesn't really matter if you are mid or long on Iconomi
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