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1281  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much can you earn with gambling? on: October 22, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
Pure gambling depends on luck, some times you win lottery and can live on it. Most time, you cannot live on gambling.

My parents and and the parents of my wife has about 4-5 years which buy tickets about a national bingo. No one time have won. And if someday will win the amount which can win I don't know if it will cover the money spent during these years. Where are the money of living here?

It is the biggest lottery here were I live. Maybe in USA when can be won million of dollars it is possible this, maybe even in some other country. But in most of the countries the amounts that can be won are few.

But even if accepted that the amount is everywhere big as in USA. How many people can have this luck. Maybe 10-20-30 in a year. Can be such amount of people enough to name this kind of game tool which is able to assure the live of the people. To be an example to follow? People are millions of persons. Are 30 or even 50 of those able to represent all the people of one country. Telling that it is possible to live with lottery? I think no.

1282  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or Gold? What would you pick? on: October 22, 2015, 11:58:10 AM
...

The sense I am getting from this thread (and others re gold & BTC) is that gold is the better, and certainly safer, asset.  Yet most of us here (this thread it seems) own both!

For reasons I have discussed earlier, I think that Bitcoin and gold are "orthogonal" (prices tend to move independently) and so are both good holdings.

Perhaps the better discussion would be: What percentages of one's (net) assets should be in gold, and what percentage in Bitcoin?

A reasonable start to this might be my own rough holdings: nearly 10% in gold, nearly 1% in BTC.  BTC is very volatile, but does have the potential to be a winning lottery ticket...

Smiley

That's was the form which has my answer given at July 17. It is not that I "predicted" your above post?  Shocked  Cheesy Below the repetition of my answer given to your previous and actual questions:

"Definitely I would take both. It is normal to diversify the investments. Both of them are potential investments. So I would prefer to believe equally in both of them. Half of my money that are designated to invest will go in bitcoin and half of them in gold. Maybe 60-70% in bitcoin because of hope I have that bitcoin will go high in years."

July 17, 2015, 12:27:17 PM

It is changed only the word "diversify" because in the original post was wrong (diversificate)

I've right if evaluate myself with 5 stars?   Cool  Cheesy

1283  Economy / Economics / Re: Sign of collapse economy of Bank in USA-RISE OF BITCOIN IN NEXT 4 MONTHS? on: October 22, 2015, 11:43:54 AM
That sounds terrible. I will focus on it.

I see to many fear and alarmism only by one article. I can imagine what will happen if it will be two or three article which will give THE SAME news. But I can't imagine if it will be a bunch of articles about to many events which EXPLAIN the situation but will be given as catastrophic by the journalists.

There must occur to many things in order to be a crisis like that of 2008. There are not something more terrible than the panic from an (even it is not normal or usual) financial event make from the Federal Reserve.
1284  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling on: October 22, 2015, 11:19:23 AM
There are someone which can explain me with simple but in full words what does it mean to have talent in dice; or in roulette; or in slot machine?

Then, after doing that, can explain in the same way and for the same gamble games above what does it mean to have skills in those?

Thanks.
I am afraid that some people are biased towards idea that you have to really can influence your outcome of DICE, roulette or other pure luck based games. There is no talent, secret gambling method or other magical theories involved in these. It is just probability theory.


I'm doing tens of posts like yours but yet I see that are hundred who believe in the things written to my previous posts quoted by you. I see even strategies about the secure wins in gambling. So i must find different ways to show at the gamblers that their hope is an simple but pure and risky desire or addiction and not something else.
1285  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Getting a living from Gmabling alone is possible? on: October 22, 2015, 11:14:25 AM
Everything is possible if you believe in it.There are gamblers who made millions and lived their dreams .Unfortunately ,the faster they became rich the faster they went broke .Shortcuts are dangerous .If you're having a job and as long as you gamble for fun ,gambling is fine but doing it for the living doesn't seem like a great idea.

im pretty sure there are also gamblers that made millions then learned to stop and being not greedy. not all shortcuts were dangerous Cheesy it still depend on the gambler and its just a matter of discipline Cheesy BUT i think gamblers like that were rare, but as you said, anything is possible Cheesy

Agreed with you but there must be very few gamblers who are successful and living on the income from gambling. I think that in a long run its not possible to win every time, there is no consistency in the income from gambling; there are also chances to loose your money. People who are full time involved in gambling are wasting their money and valuable time, they can live for short period but they can not survive in the long run by depending on gambling for living.

I never can believe that someone may live with gambling. I want to not tell more because it is in vain. Who want to believe in this kind of dreams make with open eyes believe on those whatever word can be write. Who think and learn, understand that this things are only urban legends. I want to tell only that gamble make the people to wast money not only for the owners of gamble game/site/casinos but even to be recovered from the addiction from those.
if you are playing gambling in casino, then i believe what you are telling is correct that you can live life , but if you are playing in sport betting then you can say that possible is their of living from gambling alone.

What is the difference between the casino gambling and sport betting? Are not both connected with luck? Or with need to earn more? This last make possible (or inevitable) the loss?

In the sport betting you can make an "easy" bet when it will be a match between a big team against a weak team. You have big probabilities to win. But never you can be sure. But lets suppose that you will win. If you win the amount will be very few if you bet few money. So to earn more with this kind of matches you need to bet big amounts. And again the amount earned will not enough to live with it. Even you will do to many of this bets yet the amounts earned can't be enough to live. To not suppose here that even can lose. One time of this kind of loss will cost you a lot of money. Because such must be the amounts of money used in such kind of bets. So one match wrong and you can leave all the earnings of the month. How can be possible to live in this way?

To live with betting in sport mean play big amounts and win big amounts. I explain above that the amounts with which you bet must be bigger, more easiest is the possibility to win. Because if you bet a little amount will earn very few; not enough to live with those.

What is the point. You will try to win with your money using bets with big amounts of money but in risky matches when the amount which can be earned is big. So you will risk. You will bet in difficult matches. If you do this you will lose all your money. Because even if you will win one day, you will lose tomorrow or another; can't win always. Or you will want to earn more and will bet all the earnings. One day will lose all. Is the same like in casino games.

To live with gambling it is impossible. Even if you have big amounts in disposition with which you can do various bets.
1286  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much can you earn with gambling? on: October 22, 2015, 10:56:50 AM

Thank you for your explanations but it was not this the reason and the meaning of my sentence or all my post. I know very well what is a casino and know even more about it. My posts wanted to tell that I never have gamble seriously in my life. Showed my "gamble" experience to tell you that my "gambling" was a joke and not a true gamble. So someone (me in this case) can't stop something that has never began. As it was mentioned in your previous post and which I have highlighted with bold.  Smiley

Opss! sorry If I never guess it early, but i'm not implying bad intention in your part, but at least your not addicted to gambling after all, well actually you can play gamble to have fun, but it is your decision if your gonna get hooked to it. good luck to you and have a great gambling. 

No problem and no need for sorry. You tried to communicate and help me. This must be appreciated. And I appreciate it.  Cheesy
1287  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling on: October 22, 2015, 10:40:21 AM

Sometimes talent play a role in gambling, not in dice game but may be poker because mostly you really need skill and luck to play poker but dice only need some luck and balance to cover the loss

Well maybe there are people that has talent in gambling, but talent is natural aptitude so not all has it, and what about other people who does not possess such talent in gambling, what if only one person has many talent or skill, just like singing not all is good or possess this kind of talent, that is why if you does not possess such talent. it is better to play a few but not in a long run.

Talent/skill are different to me.  Skill can be acquired where if you have a talent for something you might just be god given talent.  I think Poker requires more skill than talent.  Reading people and their hands is the most important thing in the world for Poker, but you also still need luck in order to win.

There are someone which can explain me with simple but in full words what does it mean to have talent in dice; or in roulette; or in slot machine?

Then, after doing that, can explain in the same way and for the same gamble games above what does it mean to have skills in those?

Thanks.
1288  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Security holes can be in unexpected places on: October 22, 2015, 10:06:36 AM
This raises a question: Are you sure that Bitcoin-related websites visited by you are not monitored by NSA? Or maybe you don't care?

I don't care at all. I have nothing to hide and to have fear. Everyone who want can read everything I write or everything I do at internet. So no fear from NSA or every kind of Agencies who make the same or similar jobs.  Wink

Oh really? If so, would you mind sharing your personal info + address (scanned docs) right here in this post? Would you allow anyone to view your personal emails, text messages, call logs, google search history etc?

Edit: something to consider for all those blue-pilled members who think NSA is all about tracking terrorist and criminals:

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-fears-nsa-stole-industrial-secrets/a-16925289
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37484.htm


Why must to do this? Why I must do such kind of job? You are the interested person who want to know those; you find the way to have those.

In my post I tell that I don't care from anything I do in internet. I can tell again this. But I must tell that when I wrote that sentence I had not in mind my emails or other personal stuffs. I meant navigating in internet. Following the way and the normal meaning of the expression used by OP to formulate its question - NSA monitor the bitcoin-related sited. Not the emails or other personal stuffs of the people, not even the people but the activity in the bitcoin-related sites. That it is simple navigation. Then if they find suspicious activity in such monitoring this is another thing. Bitcoin is used mostly in the dark web and I have not visited never this kind of sites. If they are able to find criminals monitoring this kind of bitcoin-related sites I can't do nothing else than congratulating with them.

But to tell the truth even if NSA will learn about my personal things or will read all my emails and learn some other personal things yet I don't care about this. It is another thing if my emails will be read by anyone (as it was understood my post by above poster). This is undesirable and in this point of view my above expression need correction.

If we go again to NSA, I don't think that NSA have the patience and, above all, the time to read all the emails of all the people which are not suspected. And I know that I am not suspected. Have made nothing in my life that can make me suspected person.

As I told above I have nothing to hide to NSA and they, (if want) can read every my email. I can give myself my password to them. Even I know that they read only the suspicious emails taken from key words or phrases. I am sure to not have such. If I have, no problem that NSA read even those. Will read more about me and my correspondence but I have not problem that that kind of people learn more about my "secret" life. My life is healthy and clean in everything. They will not find anything with interests about their job and will not made public those. So no one other will know something.

P.S. I haven't see you links because to tell the truth I don't care about the work of NSA.
1289  Economy / Economics / Re: bitcoin investing on: October 22, 2015, 09:00:37 AM
There will always be a risk when you invest your bitcoins. That's a solid fact.

not for early adopter, would you say the same if bitcoin was to start from zero right now?

i would by a shitload without thinking even for once, because i would have very little to lose

it's all about the reward/risk ratio nothing else

That is 100% true. There will be a always risks involved when you invest either in bitcoin or in any other investment products. If you don't invest then your money will depreciate over the time to beat inflation you have to choose some investment product based on your risk level. I suggest if one can't take more risk then gold will be better option to invest money.

The price of gold is decreased at least the last 4 years and half. Investing in gold is not more like it was time ago. It is better save the money in a bank then in gold.
1290  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will the Banking Industry kill Bitcoin and keep the Blockchain? on: October 22, 2015, 08:12:34 AM
Banks will try but fail miserably.
They can always create an altcoin dedicated to banks, so they will own their own blockchain.

I will not use their coins.

A commercial bank never will have its coin. The study and the (possibly) application of blockchain by every of those which will want to make this will serve to them to reduce their costs. Nothing else. It is not possible that every bank create its own coin. The world of currencies will go in anarchy and it will a big mess. First because they must agree with every other bank to accept their coin. Then to use it. The other banks will want to do the same things. Even if this it would possible what is the reason and the meaning of all this?

Blockchain is one product of peer to peer technology. This technology is called disruptive even because decrease significantly the costs where it is applied. Bitcoin is one of its materialized applications but its possibilities are for way much more. It is the materialization of peer to peer on blockchain the reason of its study and the possibility of application of its technology to the banks which attract the lasts to be interested on it and not the production of another coin. Where can be applied then? Only those can know this but for sure in their transactions yes. Because with this application, at least, it will be the decrease of the costs of those.
1291  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Getting a living from Gmabling alone is possible? on: October 22, 2015, 07:40:45 AM
you'd be more likely to lose. Gambling usually favors the house.
No it dosent ,what do you think sports gambling is ?

Investing or trading is much safer, but also not guaranteed profit. But at least it's not a guaranteed loss.
what stops you from losing all of your trading investment ? nothing is absolute ...even your boss can fire you anytime ? more or less.

It is the loss of the money in the favor of the owner of the business which organize the betting (whatever kind of business it will be; online or offline).
1292  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much can you earn with gambling? on: October 22, 2015, 07:36:21 AM
my "gambling" was a joke and not a true gamble.

No gambling is a joke because even if you gamble with less than 1 cent then it is still a gamble . Even if it is a play money, what you do is still a gamble, if you play then you are gambling thats simple. There is no true gamble or a joke gamble once you play because there is only if you win or you lose

Good, good. I like your post.  Wink This is the true. Your's true written in your post. . Don't exist the joke in gambling even if you play between friends or spend even one cent. I correct my post telling that is wrong don't call my games and bets gamble and I am lucky that I have stooped gambling in the right time without having create addiction from it.

May the people like you be more and more here in this forum and make posts like yours. It will be a big pleasure for me to read and comment about those.  Cheesy
1293  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will the world look like in 10 years if Bitcoin succeeds? on: October 22, 2015, 07:16:55 AM
If Bitcoin becomes mainstream, then the collapse of society as we know it is closer than ever.

Bitcoin (or very-fast-unregulated transactions) opens the door for a very fast velocity economy. In the Internet/Globalized/Capitalist world we live in, this means the concentration of wealth in the hands of a very small percentage of society.

We'll then talk about the 1% of the 1%.

Current banks will try to leverage their current positions to take/compete with Bitcoin.

Some early-early/late-early will become ultra/very rich.

Govs will continue to use "legal" force to tax your ass. Bitcoin or Buttcoin or USD.

The remaining of society will remain at this shit it currently is right now.

Things will become more efficient/secure. Some people in poor countries will have more leverage against their govs; destabilizing these places even more. And driving them into more poverty and chaos.

I'm long on bitcoin.


I haven't read any other thing more strange than this. Connections between things away one from another, fatalism at its highest level, imagination and reality mixed together, shortcut reasonings about big things who need maybe books to be explained, uniqueness of ways when there are to many others that can be verified (even with more probability), calculations and results which need the computers of NASA to be made and books with numerous data to enter on those....

Maybe I see blue today....
1294  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I quit trading on: October 22, 2015, 07:04:24 AM
Well im leaving trading as well everytime i enter into some altcoin the full market drops... this week is insane all red altcoins,nothing new dumpers making and taking their btc back,need new and fresh investors as money into crypto world now.

quit altcoin trading and start trading bitcoins only. altcoin value can sink 90% in just a few minutes. the guys behind these altcoins are making huge profits while other people end up holding the bag filled with worthless coins.

Altcoin trading is much riskier than bitcoin trading. Most altcoin are scam anyway.

True. I invested time and bitcoins in Latium. The developers give it free when you create an account and then for every referral you found. Thinking that was a coin with perspective invested a little less than one bitcoin in buying other coins in one exchange. The price goes down every day and I lost almost 0.5 bitcoin with my investment. Thanks God haven't invested more. Now Latium has put a bunch of words on its site where write that it will be e new open in the future and that they has finished the first part of their projects (who knew this before). Until the devs spent the money earned. Then it will be again the same story with new users which will believe to their words.
1295  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much can you earn with gambling? on: October 22, 2015, 06:50:45 AM

I haven't seen never a casino within in my life. My first "gamble" was when I was young and was in betting for football matches. It was a game between friends within a class. The amount played (converted in us dollar) was about 4-5 us dollar for every week. The maximum of money that can be won was 40-50 us dollar in a week (depended from the number of friends entered that week). This experience lasted about one year. Then after about 15 years happen the second experience: playing poker for about 1 year (normally the Saturday evening for 3-4 hours with my three friends - but even other days when everyone of us was free). The overall amounts of money played (circulated during all the seance) in our game was (by all our four) never more 200 us dollar (so 50 for everyone). Then after this year never played any kind of game with money. If this can be called "gamble" yes I was a "gambler". But even my results from these experiences were positive (I was in profit) I am against the gambling. Even the money played were money which goes from one friend to another; so remained between us which were friends.

Gambling is a gangrene.

Well Casino is a place were all sort of gambling activity occur, if you have seen online gambling like blackjack, dice, etc..
in that place you can see all of it but it is operated manually by someone or when you are playing blackjack there is a card dealer,

on second thought football is on sports betting, it is a kind of more on betting than gambling. well now a days gambling can occur in various place and things sometimes you can bet on just small things now. that involve small amount of money, and gambling can now be played just for past time of some people.

Thank you for your explanations but it was not this the reason and the meaning of my sentence or all my post. I know very well what is a casino and know even more about it. My posts wanted to tell that I never have gamble seriously in my life. Showed my "gamble" experience to tell you that my "gambling" was a joke and not a true gamble. So someone (me in this case) can't stop something that has never began. As it was mentioned in your previous post and which I have highlighted with bold.  Smiley
1296  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Getting a living from Gmabling alone is possible? on: October 22, 2015, 06:28:35 AM
Everything is possible if you believe in it.There are gamblers who made millions and lived their dreams .Unfortunately ,the faster they became rich the faster they went broke .Shortcuts are dangerous .If you're having a job and as long as you gamble for fun ,gambling is fine but doing it for the living doesn't seem like a great idea.

im pretty sure there are also gamblers that made millions then learned to stop and being not greedy. not all shortcuts were dangerous Cheesy it still depend on the gambler and its just a matter of discipline Cheesy BUT i think gamblers like that were rare, but as you said, anything is possible Cheesy

Agreed with you but there must be very few gamblers who are successful and living on the income from gambling. I think that in a long run its not possible to win every time, there is no consistency in the income from gambling; there are also chances to loose your money. People who are full time involved in gambling are wasting their money and valuable time, they can live for short period but they can not survive in the long run by depending on gambling for living.

I never can believe that someone may live with gambling. I want to not tell more because it is in vain. Who want to believe in this kind of dreams make with open eyes believe on those whatever word can be write. Who think and learn, understand that this things are only urban legends. I want to tell only that gamble make the people to wast money not only for the owners of gamble game/site/casinos but even to be recovered from the addiction from those.
1297  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buying Bitcoin was a worst decision of my life on: October 22, 2015, 06:21:06 AM
Buying Bitcoin was your worst decision of your life?  Well, I know one thing about you. You've never been married. lol

This made me laugh.  True...to true.

Same to me. Even I have a happy marriage. So it is not true.  Cheesy But I laugh with all my hart with the above post.
1298  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dice game strategy? on: October 22, 2015, 06:16:00 AM
Anyone that found a real long term strategy with low profits to apply? Interested in knowing if someone studied a new method

No. The math itself shows that it's impossible.

nothing impossible, i know there is a good strategy that could work in long term.
we just not yet find it.
i personally playing with my bankroll against the "time" and "long term" itself.
so far working well, when i dropped to negative i try to not recover it faster but slowly.

If you guys want to talk strategy look at Dooglus.  I was reading some of the posts he was making.  The guy is just good at math.  He seems to understand what it takes to manipulate the expected value, although it won't be positive it gets it closer to 50%.  Worth reading

You are wondering with open eyes. You see to many movies and those convince you about math strategies in winning in dice or in various other gambling games. There are no any possibility to create strategies or super strategies in dice game. There are no genius which can calculate something. There is not nothing that can be calculate or command the dice. Even if you will have the Deep Blue you will be subject only of the luck. The luck is chaos. The luck is anarchy. The luck is a total of unknown things and impossibility to know even only one of those. There's no order on it. There are not any possibility to calculate or predict it. There can be chances which fit it with your deisres but this is not calculation or prediction. It is only LUCK.

WAKE UP.
1299  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much can you earn with gambling? on: October 22, 2015, 05:58:48 AM
Totally wrong approach according to me. There are not any kind of strategy that you can create, invent or calculate to earn in gambling (against the casino or or online gamble site). The gambling is only luck at the beginning, maybe a little courage in games like poker (always when you are not playing with the casino or the online site) and loss for sure of all the money you gamble in long term (always when you play with the casino or the online gambling site). It is questionable matter when the gamble is between peoples). But even in those cases, if gambling it will become an addiction, there will be more loss then earnings. I invite you to tell me an amount that you can earn in gambling using your strategies and methodologies and then earn it. You will not be able never to realize such thing. This kind of things in gamble earnings (that can be seen in the movies) are only theory and never applicable in practice.

But even if can be earnings, the power of desire to earn more or (worst) the addiction from gambling (which the most strong weapon in the hands of casinos or online gambling sites because gambling soon or late create addiction-scientifically proved) , will make everyone, soon or later, to continue the game and play again and again. This is the "secret" of the loss. In long term, gamble always hit. Everyone. With or without strategies. With or without methodology. With or without luck. This is my conviction. Maybe I'm wrong. But almost every store heard by me give me reason. The only two-three case which i know that I ha earnings have to do with the scratching, bingo or lotteries. That normally are not classic gamble and having not to much to do with of the common gambling games in which play the most of gamblers.

Well at least you have stop in wasting money, and your addiction to this, ludomania is an urge to gamble continuously despite harmful negative consequences or a desire to stop. Problem gambling is often defined by whether harm is experienced by the gambler or others, rather than by the gambler's behavior.

I haven't seen never a casino within in my life. My first "gamble" was when I was young and was in betting for football matches. It was a game between friends within a class. The amount played (converted in us dollar) was about 4-5 us dollar for every week. The maximum of money that can be won was 40-50 us dollar in a week (depended from the number of friends entered that week). This experience lasted about one year. Then after about 15 years happen the second experience: playing poker for about 1 year (normally the Saturday evening for 3-4 hours with my three friends - but even other days when everyone of us was free). The overall amounts of money played (circulated during all the seance) in our game was (by all our four) never more 200 us dollar (so 50 for everyone). Then after this year never played any kind of game with money. If this can be called "gamble" yes I was a "gambler". But even my results from these experiences were positive (I was in profit) I am against the gambling. Even the money played were money which goes from one friend to another; so remained between us which were friends.

Gambling is a gangrene.
1300  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: October 22, 2015, 05:37:34 AM
I do agree that the house edge always gets you, now I'm not a gambler at all however in my early years I used to go to a local casino for half an hour and win around $15-30-50 a day. It was in an electronic type roulette. I swear I somehow learned a pattern where certain numbers kinda started to fall which eventually lead to me betting on number zero and win big.

The moral of the story is that, while I did this for a month or so and I was very disciplined (cashing out after I hit 0 or other number), one night I thought I was invincible and started playing BlackJack because I wanted more. I think I loss 30-40% of my winnings so far in that one night. So even if you somehow managed to get good in a game, a bad streak or a bad decision will take it all away eventually. The casino knows that when you win, you will come back to lose it all sooner or later.

I know what you are wondering, so why don't you just kept playing on the roulette? I did for a little why, but they eventually closed it and then later upgraded it for a new one. There was no pattern to learn on this one...  Cry

The most true words about gambling. A real story of everything I write in my posts about gambling since the first day I wrote about it. This post mus be read by everyone who gamble. Every word of this post is a precious lesson for every gambler. This story will be repeated always by everyone which will continue to gamble.

From above post:

The casino knows that when you win, you will come back to lose it all sooner or later.

This is the cruel true for every gambler. Gambling create addiction. The addiction create for sure loss of all the money. End of story.  Sad

Thanks, while my story is actually a happy one since it was not really an addiction at all (that's also scarier, imagine what could happen if that was the case) I completely agree that these concepts and messages should always be mentioned first. This is a forum with very intelligent people, geeks, developers, etc and we somehow still fall for this mind tricks, it doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I still think that some types of gambling are ok to do once in a while. For example when there is no house edge, a lottery once in a while or maybe sports betting or betting on something that isn't going to take all your money the longer you play. If you are good at poker or predicting sports or whatever then YOU have the edge. With that said, just have fun like I did and forget about it no matter if you win or lose.

Are very rare the people which gamble and don't be addicted from this kind of disease. All the kind of gambles (including those mentioned by you in the above posts). Important in this story is the time. If you will continue to gamble for a long time you for sure will be addicted by that. Even from the most "innocent" of those (like the lottery, sport betting or worst, the poker). It is not the edge who is dangerous in itself (even this is the bigger and the most known danger) but the use of money to win. Using for fun in the long time become desire to win. The desire to win need always more money to use. If you arrive in this point have no importance what you gamble. Whatever it will be the gamble (even the above mentioned by you), you will use and you will need always for more and more money. You are addicted already if you arrive in this point.
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