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12861  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen with Bitcoin if it never scales? on: April 30, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
What do you think that might happen with Bitcoin if no scalable solution becomes accepted?

Will it remain as a store of value, while other altcoins take the lead for everyday transactions? Or will another cryptocurrency take its place as the top in marketcap?

I would like to know your thoughts about this, as the ongoing scaling debate will further limit Bitcoin from reaching new heights. As for me, I believe that the Bitcoin community would come up at a resolution somehow to put an end to this issue, and make the pioneer cryptocurrency great again. What do you think?  Smiley

i think altcoin can not be in the top of marketcap as bitcoin is the leader of cryptocurrency and bitcoin is like a path for the others. i think altcoin is like a helper for bitcoin and support for bitcoin in cryptocurrency. without altcoin, bitcoin is nothing and all of crypto currency is related with each others. in trading for example, if bitcoin is down, altcoin will be up and if we trade btc-altcoin, we have makes profit in bitcoin and we can also increase our bitcoin amount. but if bitcoin is down, altcoin will be down, so we can buy altcoin again and sell it in high price.
12862  Economy / Speculation / Re: is 2017 the new 2013? on: April 29, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
actually i don't remember what is happen in 2013 because in that year, i am a new person that is trying to join with bitcoin world and i don't have much time to learn many things in bitcoin. and i only doing trading in my free time or reading any news that i can found. so i think if this year is the same like in 2013, i think we already know what will happen in the end or at least we can have our prediction what is going on later so we can make preparation for the bad things or bad situation.
12863  Economy / Speculation / Re: $2000 anyone? on: April 29, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
I think it will be $2000 in 6 months or less..

it could be happen if there is a good news in the market and many people is interesting with bitcoin and they are buying and selling bitcoin in the market so the price is increase. but many of us is hope that bitcoin price will be $2000 soon, less than 6 months and many of of us is waiting this price too. the more high bitcoin price, the more people is waiting so we can make big profit to sell in high price. but i am sure that for the price now, many of traders is waiting too and they are ready to sell for the price now.
12864  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Exchange Bitcoin, USDT, USD and EUR? on: April 29, 2017, 09:07:47 AM
Hi everyone,

I'm pretty new to this scene and started a little bit of trading with bitcoin and altcoins on Bittrex. Now I have seen that on Bittrex you can trade your Bitcoin for USDT (USD Tether I guess), but it seems that this price is volatile (https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/tether/). So is this trustworthy? Are there other exchanges where I can trade the Bitcoin for 'real' dollars or euros? And if I want to cash out some of my Bitcoins in the future, what would be the best way for me to do this (I'm from the Netherlands)?

Many thanks in Advance!

yes its trustworthy and you can trying to start trading bitcoin for USDT, beside bittrex, poloniex have the same market as bitcoin for USDT. but for real dollars or euros, i think you can go visit in kraken or bitfinex or else. you can also trying to visit with huobi if you want to trying with bitcoin for yuan. and if you want to cash out some of your bitcoin, i think you can use local exchanger that available in your country or you can use localbitcoin beause in localbitcoin, you can found many recommended seller that will help you.
12865  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin address - are there enough for us all? on: April 29, 2017, 09:02:22 AM
i think bitcoin address is design to fill every want and even more wallet is enough for people and i am sure that in the beginning bitcoin created, satoshi nakamoto and the team behind bitcoin is considering and thinking about this and i am sure that they are thinking that people in the world is getting increase from time to time and no matter how much people is involve in bitcoin world, the wallet address should be enough for them to cover what they need. so i am really sure that bitcoin wallet is more enough for every people.
12866  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin be used to support terrorists? on: April 29, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists​ and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don't know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists​ from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
If terrorist use bitcoin for illegal activities what bad impact it has to bitcoin rather than the detractors will hang on to that aspect rather than understanding the real fact that they will use any method to fund their organization and most of the time fiat currency is used in terrorist activities so would that get a bad reputation for the currency they are using.

I don't believe about this, because there is no evidence to show that terrorists use bitcoins to fund their groups. I think this is just government propaganda, because coincidence bitcoin also move underground and can't be supervised by anyone. I think terrorists are stuffed toys from rulers of big countries, financial support and weapons of war are donated secretly, many people are too religious and forget that religion can be used as a propaganda by a country that wants to destroy them.

yes there is no evidence because we don't know what for the transaction is send and we only know the amount in the transaction. without any proof, terrorists can send with any of amount and they still sending transaction into other wallet with their purpose, beside that they can send in any time without other people knowing what is their purpose to send and for who the amount they send. we don't know if they have buy weapon or sending financial to other group or else.
12867  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin also lead to corruption ? on: April 28, 2017, 11:39:17 AM
Bitcoin can't lead to corruption because bitcoin is decentralized and it can't be controlled by anyone, the bitcoin is known for being decentralized and if bitcoin lead to corruption then it means that it already broke its features and it will be a huge effect for the price and it will go down.

The OP is not talking about corruption in Bitcoin. He is talking about the features of Bitcoin helping corrupt people.
While that is a concern, we should not be blaming the tools for the action of men.
Yes i agree it is the features of bitcoin that can help the corrupt people to be more powerful because bitcoin is anonymous and it is one of the threat for us that can abuse by the corrupt people because we can't notice if they are doing illegal stuff or corrupting because bitcoin is not traceable and that is why bitcoin can lead to corruption because of anonymity.

i think not just bitcoin that can lead to corruption but for real money, we know that money is leading to corruption and its make more damage for people in many aspects. i think if politicians or someone that corrupted already know bitcoin and they know that they can send the corruption money to other people without any other people know, then they will thinking that is good for them to send that money without any proof to explain and its only the wallet that we know.
12868  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitfinex Price Spreads & Bitcoin Bubble on: April 28, 2017, 11:32:46 AM
There is a mini pump going on because of the ETF being reconsidered in May. Hope springs eternal!

The pump will end when the ETF gets rejected again (the problems at bitfinex guarantees it).

i only hope that if ETF rejected bitcoin like before, the price is not getting dump because like what we already know before, after the first ETF is released, bitcoin price is not getting dump and even the price is going to go up until more than $1200 although the price is stable in $11xx-$12xx before and then the price is increase until now reach $14xx. but if one market like bitfinex telling that the pump will end when ETF gets rejected, then i am not sure that the other market will be dump the price too because there is many big holder that don't want the price is down.
12869  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What did you buy for money won? on: April 28, 2017, 11:27:03 AM
It depends on the amount I've won. Of course when the game is hard fought then I will keep the prize and replaced back the capital. I'm a very economically person, I don't want just money to fade without buying good things. Of course sometimes I treat my family and relatives but in most cases I'm saving the prize that I've won.

i am agree with you, but no matter how much amount that we won, its still better to save it in our wallet until the amount is getting bigger than before. i think its fine to buy something that we want to celebrate our winning like we buy some food or gadget or good things but first we need to withdraw our winning money to buy that things. but if i can win big money then i feel its like i can buy everything that i want and i can save it after make withdraw for my future.
12870  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC ETF SEC APPROVED on MAY 15th on: April 28, 2017, 11:23:14 AM
Bitcoin is getting reconsidered once again do you think its going to get approved or denied? Approval does it mean BTC rockets up ? Denial does it mean it takes a dump like in March? May 15th is the last day of approval.
I dont care what even it approved or not bitcoins will continue well it will be a long process for etf to be approved .
If it will be approved sure it will have a big impact in bitcoin price growth .

i agree with Apened said, we already know that ETF is rejected in march but the price is increase from that moment although there is a dump between march-april that is happen, but the price still going up until now and now the price is reach at $14xx. i don't think that after may 15th, the decision about bitcoin will be rejected rejected again like before, the price will getting up because some of people don't want to see the price is getting down even for just $10-$20 for down. but i think, lets we wait for that moment and meanwhile, we can continue to do trading bitcoin-usd or bitcoin-altcoin to reach more profit.
12871  Economy / Services / Re: LEARN HOW TO EARN $100-$1000 EVERY MONTH IN BITCOIN on: April 28, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
i think its not enough information that you told us and i think you should give more explanation to us about your offers because i think there will be many members is confusing about your thread and its better to give details explanation. its good to give your contact person so we can talk or we can discuss about the service directly. i think we all here want free money from many source so we can make money by free. but before we decide to join with some offers, i think we need to thinking about the risk that always inside the offers.
12872  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much risk in bitcoin investement ? on: April 28, 2017, 11:12:25 AM
If you planned to hold it for short term then the risk is small, but if you planned to hold it for 10 or 20 years maybe that a bit risky, as we know bitcoin still in growing process so anything can happened, maybe it can grow stronger or maybe can be replaced by other coin, but I more believe that bitcoin will grow stronger in future, that is why I think holding bitcoin as investment is a good idea, just don't put all your wealth in bitcoin, invest in different form is better

its good to hold for short term but i think its more good enough if you hold it for at least 1-2 years from now because we are know that bitcoin is something new in our world and many people predicted that bitcoin has a good chance to be future payment and money for future so i think at least i can save my bitcoin as investment like many other people. i am agree with xuan87 said that don't put all of our wealth in bitcoin, we need to spread it into many investment so if our investment is grow, we can get profit.
12873  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: GAMBLING & TRADING on: April 28, 2017, 06:29:46 AM
As a new member and new in bitcoin commutity i want to make some reviews for my own,, and i thinks words from a real peopl can help me..

Ive seen some people who got some profit in gambling sites and also i see investing to gambling websites.. I just want to know is this is profitable that making trading? I just got some ideas on trading difference currency by reading so trading sites reviews.. And they got my attention to start on trading.

for me, i think is still profitable if we are doing trading than gambling but its depend how good your skills in each of trading and gambling. sometimes trading is like a gambling if we don't have any info about the coins or we don't know about the movements in the market. but believe me, if you are learn the basic of trading then i am sure that no matter how, you can make a profit even for small profit. gambling can make you big profit but remember, there will be a big risk beside doing gambling and you should know.
12874  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you prefer 100% or 150% Welcome bonus ? on: April 28, 2017, 06:26:37 AM
I don't want to get any bonus right now, whether it is higher percentage but if they are requiring that is crazy thing before claiming these bonuses, then I wouldn't want to waste my time from it. I would choose to gamble and prefer no bonuses and gamble the normal way even without these hopes about the bonuses.

normally, the site needed us to make first deposit and then playing a games to receive the bonus. but if you are prefer with no bonus then its good for you. but i think if we deposit and then we are receive the bonus, then our balance become bigger than before so we can playing gambling with bigger fund too. but its depend on every person which want this bonus or not and i am sure that every gambler know what they want and they will considering to receive the bonus as another bonus for them.
12875  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cheating in the Nitrogen Poker room... on: April 28, 2017, 06:23:15 AM
Hi everyone

What a bombshell we have right now.

I haven't decided how I am going to present it yet.

But the evidence is really not disputable at all.

Two major kind of cheating going on nitrogen:  super users, and collusion.

Pretty much everyone knew with the weak security that and high stakes that it was inevitable.  And it has happened.

I will show the statistical evidence next week but for now, I will probably take your money out while you can cause when shit hits the fan and I post this thread on 2plus2, it will get very very ugly for nitrogen



hm i think the owner should fix the security and if there is a bug, i think its need attention from the owner because its related with all members in that site. did you trying to contact the owner or their support system? what did they tells you? if the owner really thinking and wants to give the best to their members, i am sure that they will listen suggestion from someone and fix the hole/bug or anything if necessary. i hope this will not happen again in future so we still playing with safe on that site.
12876  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 21 millions people to become millionaires are being created in public on: April 27, 2017, 03:46:01 AM
Only 21 millions people out of 7+ Billions people to become millionaires are being created in public

You've heard it right. There are currently 21 million millionaires are being created in public.

Hint: 21 million bitcoins.

The distribution of bitcoin is very skewed at the moment. My guess is that there are less than 100K individual holding more than 1BTC, with many holding more than 10 or 100. There won't be 21 million millionaires... if 1 BTC=1million dollar (?)

maybe more than 100K individual holding less than 1BTC, because we don't know for sure how many people is using bitcoin in all of the country. if there is really 21 millions people that become millionaires, then its really still small people that become a rich person in the earth and i think that people is really happy to know that now they are a millionaires. with many of new people gets involve in bitcoin world, i think the real people that is using bitcoin needs to re-calculate. and like what 7788bitcoin said that if 1 BTC = 1 million dollar then there only few people that will hold bitcoin and not 21 millions people.
12877  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitfinex- bank blocked all their deposits on: April 27, 2017, 03:39:56 AM
how can Bitfinex survive when they cannot receive and send funds to their clients?

They can't and they won't. If people had any piece of sense left in their brains, they would be running away from finex right now. (Smart ones probably do/did) The signs are clear. It is not like Gox which happened instantly without any sign. (Huge price pump caused by Gox was the only sign actually)

The fact that account holders in Bitfinex can move their bitcoins or altcoins off the exchange, as suggested, is an example of how this is absolutely nothing like Mt. Gox.  By the sound of most of the posts here, its obvious that ~90% of the people posting haven't been around long enough to remember Mt. Gox.  When Mt. Gox went down, EVERYTHING was frozen.  Bitcoins, fiat; all of it was frozen.  Comparing Mt. Gox to this incident with Bitfinex is absurd.  It sucks for Bitfinex themselves but for anyone else, simply get out.

if we can withdraw our coins in bitfinex, then we should withdraw its soon because if the site is really gets closed then we can not do anything and our coins will gets disappeared. i think bitfinex will give a chance for their members to withdraw all their coins into other exchange so the members still can use the coins to another purpose. its sadly to know bitfinex getting this problem and for the members that have the coins in there, i wish you can withdraw all of your coins and send it right away into other exchange.
12878  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Anyone tried Chain-Bet.com? on: April 27, 2017, 03:32:26 AM
i have never heard of it, i ll take a look rigth now

If u have, please do let us know. I'm interested in playing at 0% house edge as well.

Looks like someone has just converted 0.0036 BTC to 0.0576 BTC on Chain-Bet.com. Check Bet ID #1990.

is this really happen? because if yes, then i think that guy have the best of luck in his life and he can win big money or even win the jackpot prize. i think there are only few people that can win the jackpot and he must have a luck for this and i think the site is getting loss much of money but i am sure that in next days or weeks, the site will be make other profit.
12879  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who is winning the Race - Bitcoin or Paypal? on: April 27, 2017, 03:28:38 AM
I've gambled with Bitcoin and PayPal and my preferred payment method is Bitcoin only.
When I tried to gamble with PayPal, there's a feeling of nervousness with that Company. There just is no safe feeling with PayPal because they like to have frozen accounts for no reason at all. Making a withdrawal through PayPal is not usually automated as well because the company will notice a number of payments going to and into the company and they will just freeze accounts and keep the money.

you're right and this is why i've choose to use bitcon rather than paypal. paypal have their own power to make someone accounts deleted or frozen or lock so we can not use our account except we send email to them. i remember when the last time i make withdrawal with my paypal account, i need to wait at least a weeks to see that money is arrive in my bank account although there are any sellers that want to buy my balance but i decide its not good for me. in the future, i think bitcoin will win the race in gambling site because bitcoin offers easy and simple for the gamblers to make deposit and withdraw and the gamblers don't have to waited too long.
12880  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I have found a long term and strong dice strategy. on: April 27, 2017, 03:23:22 AM
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thats the problem, you need at least 1,000,000 rolls before you know what a strategy can do

Wait, you said you want a bot.
[1]You made a 1 000 000 rolls with your hands?

Also, strategies are fun to make but it's all about luck again Smiley
[1] Of course no, he said he needs to test any kind of strategies in 1 million bets and see how's that going. So, he will try it with dice bot (Make 1 million bets by manually is really insane).

geez if i have to make 1 million bets with my hand, i can not imagine how tired i am after i am finish that roll. i think to do 1 million rolls, i better to use bot, make setting for 1 million rolls, and click start in the bot so i can do other works because i can not count how long i will be online in that site just to playing the games and its better to use bot if there are any bot available that i can use. i think the strategies can be applied in that bot so what we have to do is make a setting that will work with the bot and of course can help us to make money.
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