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Take the 50% refund first. So you have at least 50% instead of nothing (possible bankcruptcy after court decision to your favor). You can still claim the rest through smallclaims.
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Just popped in my inbox. ...
Well the above certainly seems to suck from our point of view in our dealings with www.alpha-t.net ..this is discouraging indeed Searing Nothing has changed. There was no word about a business to business contract in their original ToS. |
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Please let us know the result of your claim. If Alpha won't refund and this case goes to court and you win we have a perfect precedent and any other customer can go through this process without having any fear to loose the claiming fees.
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2 days left to pay my demanded refund. Then im going to file a claim.
Where do you file it? Local police station? Reason: fraud/DSR violation? If they are interested to put some cases together, you should provide us your case no. |
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there will always be new coins. a multipool is very consistent
Yeah with other algos. I don't see a chance for a lot of scrypt coins after we have ASIC power like at SHA-256. ...a bit offtopic I think. |
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It was continually mentioned that shipping would be 15th - 31st July though, many people would have taken the reduced refund rate offered when they could if they were told that there was going to be a delay Fiaz said they knew it since begin of July (true or not, nobody knows). So for most of the customers it makes no difference if they had known it 1 month before or not. Excepting those paid in full during that time or order sometimes later (their shops where open some times later, I don't know exactly). |
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Nobody is whining, we are just talking about the applicable law.
Contract says end of Q3. Everything else are nice promises only.
Anyone in the UK wants to ask their local consumer protection (or however it is called)? Normally everyone within the EU can ask the local ones, same law within EU.
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They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so.
"for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"
Dunno what you are goin to tell us. Milk products, vegetables, fruits ... expire rapidly, it makes sense to not apply DSR 3 months after purchase of this kind of products. Fluctuations in the financial market affects only financial products, shares and shit like this. You cant go to facebook an return the shares coz the price dropped 50% within last 2 months and you want your deposit back. Not everything is "black" or "white" only (your given products), there is a lot of "grey" between. I won't bet on my opinion at court, nor on yours. @Mikebeav3r A lot of products on kickstarter are specefied very exactly upfront + shipping date. |
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@Slipknot79  Behind any web order (amazon,...) is a B2C contract. @Mikebeav3r I added some things in my last posting. Well, but Ford sold on stock products. |
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The item is NOT custom built to YOUR specifications, there is NO personalisation to this unit that could / would stop them from selling it to another person, if it is personalised, i.e, has your own specs added to it (custom PC parts etc) or specific colour not normally available, has writting / engraving etc, then it is personalised, but as it stands, each one of these is either 50 or 250, all internal and external components are the same and no one has had it personalised to their own spec, it is as the manufacturer offered. They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so. "for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only Maybe this applies to: "for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"The main thing is, i am an individual and i bought as individual. I am a legal individual, so AT has to treat me as individual. Correct, it's B2C definitly if you did not order as a company. The second thing is, the distance selling regulations do not set "goods" appart from "products made on demand". Both are goods, so both fall within the scope of DSR. Sorry but this is wrong at least within the EU. |
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Due to the fact that this product is made on customers demand, customers have no cancelation or refund rights by EU law. Sold B2B or B2C doesn't matter. There is just one date they have to met to stay within their contract: delivery within Q3.
You mean, Intel sells his CPUs coz theres a customers demand, so no EU law apply on Intel CPUs? No. A company offers a product which is built on customers demand (made especially for you). They wouldn't have built this product without asking for it. I hope you understand what I mean...English is not my main language. I'm looking for some english documents where this behavior is explained. // This is the wright one I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer_to_OrderB2B is definitly a wrong argument because they had to make sure you are a real business customer when the order was placed. |
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does someone know how do they ban the People . by ip ?
Yep, IP. You can't even just read when you got banned. Delete all cookies and look for a proxy. |
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The amount of postings deletion on ATs board is unbelieveable at the moment. A lot of them just asking some critical questions.
I got banned too.
I think it's a good time to start to secure some evidence. Save news, official postings,...
If someone needs their original ToS from the first days the shop was opened, just let me know. They already changed some things during the time.
Due to the fact that this product is made on customers demand, customers have no cancelation or refund rights by EU law. Sold B2B or B2C doesn't matter. There is just one date they have to met to stay within their contract: delivery within Q3.
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Laut Fiaz Malik's Aussage wissen sie es erst seit Anfang Juli. Alles andere müsste man zuerst einmal nachweisen.
Wann hat Menig gezahlt?
Rechtlich eigentlich kaum eine Chance, solange sie bis Ende September liefern.
// Nach kritschen Fragen (ohne Schimpfwörter o.ä.) wurde ich nun im dortigen Forum gebannt. Mit der verwendeten IP kann ich nicht mal mehr mitlesen (egal, Proxy sei dank). Noch viel mehr wurden meine Postings auch zum Teil gelöscht, u.a. meine Anmerkung, dass mit dem Verzögern seit Anfang Juli sehr wohl Kunden betroffen sein könnten, weil ihr Shop auch etwas später noch geöffnet war. Das bislang recht freie Forum, hat sich damit erledigt. Mehr will ich garnicht sagen.
Ich bin selbst mit 50% Verlust der 1/3 Vorauszahlung kurz vor Ende der Frist raus, da ich so etwas schon kommen gesehen habe. Besser ein Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende. Ich hoffe das beste für alle Betroffenen.
// Eins noch, bitte fangt schon mal mit Beweissicherung an. Sichern der News, offizielle Postings usw. Irgendwann beginnt möglicherweise das große Löschen. Wer die ToS der ersten Verkaufstage benötigt, dem stelle ich sie gerne zur Verfügung. Denn in der Zwischenzeit haben sie auch an den ToS ein wenig herumgedreht.
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Manchmal komm ich mir hier schon wie im Kindergarten vor. Er hat es wohl einfach nicht gesehen, dass du nun auch Escrow anbietest. Ist ja nicht so, dass du Escrow von Anfang an angeboten hast.
Kein Grund so ausfällig zu werden, was ist denn das für eine Kindertstube?
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Über einen vertrauenswürdigen User hier im Forum. Es gibt einige die bereits viele Tausend € abgewickelt haben. Der wohl bekannteste ist SebastianJu. Du sendest demjenigen die Codes und der Käufer die Coins. Wenn alles passt, leitet der Escrower alles weiter.
Wenn du auch gegen € verkaufen solltest, hätte ich Interesse.
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131 € war mein letztes Gebot, zu dem steh ich auch.  -> PM |
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Diese Geschichte hier? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573473.100Wie zum Teufel kann man 3.5 BTC versenden ohne vom Empfänger auch nur irgendwelche Kontaktdaten zu haben. Gott, lass es bitte Hirn regnen. Der Leichtsinn ist ja wirklich unfassbar. |
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Gut, da bin ich raus. 130 € wäre bereits mein Max. gewesen.
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