I'm going to side with figment here and contribute to the much-needed camp for the bears. It's so cool to be contrarians and go against the grain of technicals and fundamentals. I also have to believe I was "right" previously to say 2020's still the actual time to go big.

After all, we can't now all be bulls, otherwise how else am I going to accumulate to catch up with micg right?

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the price must go where bears tread
yefi will you win?

buwaytress: $9876

@LTU and the rest. OK fine, renamed to Europa League only;) Thanks for the feedback.

@Juggy, well, the Mets Uni team actually won last night, they unfortunately lost progress thanks to Europe's away goal rule so no fairy tale there.

@LTU Yeah in general I like to look for good value in the latter and group stages too, and I generally have good fortune. I especially think when teams meet for the first time, they're unknown entities, and if you have just a tiny bit of knowledge about them, you might know more than the bookies.

Rangers are my darkhorses for this tourney, but not just because Stevie G, they're actually getting better with every game!

Damn Rooney got a yellow, had to be careful, and then DC got themselves a man down. Not that Dallas were easy, 10 shots to the 1. Bookies know their shit, after all.

I'm going for two friendlies today, and then maybe do a selection for AFCON later on, when I got my time together!

Game 1: FC Twente Enschede-AL Wahda FC (UAE). Al Wahda WIN @3.52. BCR odds: 3.49
Game 2: FC Viktoria Plzen-FC Ufa. Viktoria WIN @1.65. BCR odds: 1.64
100 units parlay at Betcoin @5.808. BCR parlay: 5.7236

Odds advantage: 1.47%
Units advantage: 8.44

Expecting people to really level up on their arguments on this forum, buddy? Hope springs eternal I guess;) But you're right of course, although I actually prefer those with a sense of humour and who don't take their own explanations too seriously.

Now regarding the Simpsons, I've got to agree, and I think they're even controlling the destiny of Bitcoin market too. Bart's head patterns emerging several times now, and the upside down Bart's head. Rumour is, a Marge head pattern might emerge any time soon this week. Just because.

More than a tad short for Chestnut and way, way way under for Sudo as it turns out haha. 71 dogs for the boy (3 shy) and 31 for the gal (6 short!!), I think the bookies lost a bit on this one as punters all expected this (and Sudo gave it away too haha).

They both win also short of a Bitcoin each =p

I'll provide some comment on escrowing funds or locking of funds, as a form of  ICO assurance. It's not insurance I know, but the same concept of protecting funds.

I know of at least 3 ICOs in 2017 that used some form of insurance, engaging escrows to manage raised funds. I followed 1 very closely (all 3 failed, although all 3 denied they failed). All 3 refunded whatever amounts left they had in escrow, and the one I followed eventually returned about 35% (or thereabouts I can't bother to dig it up).

In theory, excellent idea. Funds were disbursed according to roadmap milestones... but no one among the investors expected that the escrows were the ones to determine conditions for disbursements. Independent audits of expenditure (and heck, audits of the product and code!) were naively expected, but project owners were in bilateral agreements with escrows (sometimes even unilateral).

It was still a loss, and a disappointment, partially because it wasn't just money that was invested but all the unnecessary headache of arbitration and completely different expectations from investors (of the escrows and owners).

But it wasn't an entire loss. Lessons could be learned from such fundraises I still feel it was a good starting model.

It's really hard to bet for the underdog when the odds aren't THAT great value... 5/1 was what Peru was given last night, the same as Argentina vs Brazil, so yeah I haven't got much value from these bets, not that I won much. The only standout bet I can recall was the very comfortable Uruguay opener.

But now Peru 13/1, maybe the draw at 5/1 is interesting?

And guess what, we have another Argentina-Chile showdown... I suppose since it's only for 3rd place, we can expect a free-scoring game?

2 games left. If I get 6 points I still have to hope everyone else misses... so I really have to predict against the grain here!

As much as I'd like to disagree, exstasie's right, being a bear actually means you're part of a very small minority, that's been getting smaller since the hype began rising again in April.

I said it the whole of last year and this year, I wasn't ready for any rally to start until the "crypto winter" had well and truly purged all the bulls. Unfortunately, the sentiment went positive with plenty of bulls still around, so they got louder and then the middling joined their ranks.

Not that I'm complaining of course. Just that I'd have much preferred this to be a year of accumulation at super low prices =p

Commenting on the men's, if we're seeing records being created pretty much every year with annual averages rising, I think it's only fair to assume people will get better at wolfing down dogs with speed. Given this, I'd back an Over (for a new record) but not at the current odds... it's actually 1.98 for under now, so seems people are expecting a new record. I'd back the new record every year and double down on losing bets for the next year =p Martingale hot dogging;)

I actually have heard of and seen Miki Sudo in action. She's that famous.

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Incredible game by Peru. I bet on Chile thinking their aging boys will get them through, but no one counted on the Peruvians smashing 3 home. And to think, I even made a hedge prediction of 0-0 in a betting pool. Well done Peru. I also bombed on Netherlands (they did win AET but full time was scoreless).

I'm going to go into a rare foray into American football (or soccer heh). DC Utd look good value for me at over 4/1 despite their form and standings (Rooney's incredible goal must surely give them confidence) and I'll parlay with what should be a standard LA Galaxy win over Toronto.

Game 1: FC Dallas-DC United. DC WIN @4.63. BCR odds: 4.65
Game 2: Los Angeles Galaxy-Toronto FC. LA @IN @1.84. BCR odds: 1.8
100 units parlay at Betcoin @8.5192. BCR parlay: 8.370

Odds advantage: 1.78%
Units advantage: 14.92

This is the discussion thread for the Europa League.

Champions League thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5163249
Europa Conference League thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342840

Hi guys! So the old UEFA lounge was closed. And kenzawak's closed his thread for last season too... I'm loathe to open new threads every season, what do you think? Can we have this as the perma thread or a new one every season?


COVID happened, United scuppered it all in the final and Villareal won their first major trophy during the COVID season.


Eintracht Frankfurt beat Glasgow Rangers on penalties after taking the game to extra time on 1-1. They went the entire campaign undefeated, and knocked out Barca along the way.

Heh, precisely. They are surprisingly even more backward than Italy's and Spain's (regionally, usually it's a battle between the three, IMO) when it comes to this. Last year, they'd put out more of the same types of Press Releases, telling people they get hundreds of phone calls a month about people asking if Bitcoin's legit (so you know, you need lots of people to man those hotlines).

The funniest is their crypto scam blacklists, though (https://www.amf-france.org/en_US/Epargne-Info-Service/Mise-en-garde/Par-date). I imagine there are a few people who surf the net for HYIPs, probably from faucet site ads, and then when they detect fake info, they report it to a superior and the boss says, mmm good job, add it to our blacklist. And they feel happy.

Well, if being happy for dips makes one a whale, then I most certainly am the Moby Dick of small-time Bitcoiners. I actually don't buy, I just get paid in BTC so I basically just cost average since I have to get paid and pay bills pretty regularly... but I have some leeway in how I time the invoices, so when a dip happens like that, you can be sure I'm asking to get paid asap;)

I don't think this was any panic selling either. We'd be seeing far deeper, far longer, crashes, if panic had set in.

Really? All the p2p betting sites and betting markets I saw showed me the complete opposite: most volumes lay with Brazil. Lot of people also took handicap bets, that was how good Brazil were and how shit Argentina can be.

What's the confusion? Messi playing in your team, Aguero, and you get 5/1 odds? Call me stupid but that was value right there. And if you saw the match, they actually played their best game of the tourney, so you know, bad luck (but yeah, I'm happy Alisson and Firminho made huge contributions!).

Where're your bets?

So, the entire big scary dark web will attract $1B dollars... so that's a whole HALF percent of the total illegal drug trade in 2019 so far (https://www.worldometers.info/drugs/)? How pathetic that drugs, porn and weapons, and assassins and hackers... can't even get their act together to get a fraction of the industry reliant on cash and banks to keep the wheels pumping.

Shame on you, Bitcoin. You had 11 years and this is how you help the dark web criminals?

Yeah, I tried an experiment to open all my "Super Favourites" bookmark list in simultaneous tabs just to see who was on Cloudflare and who wasn't... very interesting results that clued me in onto which sites I should probably consider unfollowing!

I'm surprised Kraken still even allows those kinds of sell orders. As of even last year Bittrex and Poloniex fixed their markets so that you couldn't do orders more than 5% in any direction. Makes sense I suppose to prevent mistakes or those type of flash crashes. I'd ask for 2FA confirmation of abnormal orders, but then knowing people and how they still manage to enter wrong wallet addresses with confirmation emails...

I know I tend to overlook PMs as well, especially because as soon as you click Messages everything is marked as read (I have to remember to look past the most recent one). He's here, active, just not realising it yet. I have actually seen situations with unclaimed prizes, this one is particularly big though!


Yeah, that is one thing I wish were encouraged more in my part of the world... work life balance thing. Where I come from, you are frowned upon for daring to even rest when you're sick. I know you Southeast Asians hear me =p

Mali got us our win, but USA still managed the slim victory despite not playing at their best. I suppose I shouldn't have taken my chances with the Lionesses, women's WC has been extremely dry for upsets.

Bearing that in mind, we pick the Dutch women to prove the bookies right, and parlay that with Chile's aging team to somehow crawl over the finish line against Peru, who really shouldn't provide any threat. Just please let this not be another penalty shootout.

Game 1: Netherlands vs Sweden. Netherlands WIN @2.07. BCR odds: 2.04
Game 2: Chile vs Peru. Chile WIN @1.92. BCR odds: 1.88
100 units parlay at Betcoin @3.9744. BCR parlay: 3.8352

Odds advantage: 3.63%
Units advantage: 13.92

Thanks for the update Harko, I got Mali right last night but stupidly parlayed it with an England upset.

I like Senegal a lot, always have since their performance in World Cup 2002, but I wonder if Uganda is capable of an upset here. They trumped DR Congo with 2 headers in an earlier game -- Congolese team even apologised for that loss. Speaking of, if Madagascar get their upset over Congo, there will be riots!

@DeathAngel. I hate to say it but yeah, I've really tried to watch women's football but the gap in quality is just too hard not to ignore. It has vastly improved I think, but still, to watch the WWC finals and see some of the goalkeeping and defending mistakes is just too awkward. The attack isn't so bad, technically they're quite good now but the instinct, the defence... anyway.

5/1 for Argentina anyone? I thought it was worth a tenner.