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1321  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 09:43:45 PM
Also, to give some perspective on these temperature changes that are averages of averages of averages. Here is the graph of the raw 10 minute interval data going back to 1984 (first year available). Upper is points colored by month (starting in january 1984), lower is lines overlayed with the annual average fit in that paper.



This sensor is designated 8903 (eg the filenames will start with 8903 that correspond to this):
http://ftp://amrc.ssec.wisc.edu/pub/aws/10min/rdr/

If you want I will send you the script that harvests the data so you can analyze it for yourself.

So the Arctic ice didn't reach record lows this summer? And that's because you have taken some data from some sensor and made some charts?
1322  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Freedom is ... on: January 05, 2013, 09:39:57 PM
What will the second class citizens do when a sicko gets into a position of power, such as the one overseeing all of those regulated and trained law enforcers.
Most of the law enforcers will simply refuse to follow his orders.


That's an interesting theory. How has that worked in the past?

Quite well, given a well thought out government. We learn as much and more from the common cases than the outliers.

Care to present some of those "common cases"?

You mean all those in aggregate hundreds and hundreds of years the world's nations having not made the headlines because their leader was not another Hitler?

Myrkul, try for once to convince me that your untested, unrealized, and unaccepted idea for no government is actually appealing. Try to convince me that 300 million guns is not enough, and one billion guns in the hands of everyone is what we want. Try to convince me that aspiring nuclear bomb owners who can actually obtain said devices are what we want. Try to convince me that your uninhibited money buys rights and justice is what we want.
1323  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Freedom is ... on: January 05, 2013, 09:30:15 PM
What will the second class citizens do when a sicko gets into a position of power, such as the one overseeing all of those regulated and trained law enforcers.
Most of the law enforcers will simply refuse to follow his orders.


That's an interesting theory. How has that worked in the past?

Quite well, given a well thought out government. We learn as much and more from the common cases than the outliers.
1324  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 09:27:29 PM
These issues are obvious and take no expertise to understand. They actually note that the trend is due to those years in the paper and spend a bunch of time trying to figure out what may have caused the jump without success.

Also this paper is not NASA, NOAA, etc it is one group whose results are prematurely reported to the media. Your overreliance on credibility rather than investigating the data yourself is a weakness. Credibility is a heuristic, thats all. It should not lead to strong beliefs.

Also, I was thinking about writing this up. There are also a variety of database errors I found they should be alerted to. I need to say that I am impressed at the efforts taken to make the raw data publically available. It is really awesome.

I'm speaking about your angle on all this in general, not this specific post of yours.
1325  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 09:14:53 PM
I actually took the time to reanalyze the data from this paper:

Don't tell me! Tell NASA, NOAA, and all the thousands of scientists out there in the field! I'm sure you're right and none of this stuff is worth a shit. It's sad they're all lacking your special insights.

Please, for all of us, get in contact with these organizations and the scientists, and explain to them how to do it right. I know that your analysis is so spot on and unbiased (and fully cognizant of the entire context with which it all depends on) that you can overturn all these findings with your quickie (but keen eyed) observations.

Again, please, get out there in the world and show these guys how to do it.
1326  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:39:14 PM
The links explain your errors.
1327  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Freedom is ... on: January 05, 2013, 08:36:04 PM
It's a bad idea because you might hurt someone. But if you're a sicko, it's also a bad idea because others might think their lives are in danger and they'll hurt you to stop you. But if those others aren't up to the task of hurting you, it's also a bad idea because men in blue suits will either hurt you and/or try and put you in jail. Best also if you never had a device in the first place which can kill people in a second from hundreds of feet, and kill many people in a group separated by many feet and at a distance in seconds.

Not creepy.

Is it OK for some people to have "a device" "which can kill people in a second from hundreds of feet", but not others?

When regulated and trained and employed for the purpose of enforcing laws, yes. But note that countries with strict and effective gun control do not need their law enforcement members to draw and use their guns as often as those in America do.
1328  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:29:36 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/14/arctic-sea-ice-smallest-extent
1329  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:28:41 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/science/earth/arctic-sea-ice-stops-melting-but-new-record-low-is-set.html?_r=0
1330  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:27:18 PM
http://jameswight.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/1998-el-nino-and-oceans/
1331  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:26:05 PM
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14527-climate-myths-global-warming-stopped-in-1998.html
1332  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:24:23 PM
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/upsDownsGlobalWarming.html
1333  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:22:45 PM
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/15/fox-falls-for-tabloid-science/190630
1334  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm
1335  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:20:48 PM
http://summitcountyvoice.com/2012/03/25/wmo-says-global-warming-accelerated-in-past-decade/
1336  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:20:16 PM
http://news.discovery.com/earth/no-global-warming-hasnt-stopped-121017.html
1337  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Freedom is ... on: January 05, 2013, 08:14:54 PM
It's a bad idea because you might hurt someone. But if you're a sicko, it's also a bad idea because these men in blue costumes will hurt you to stop you.

Not creepy.

It's a bad idea because you might hurt someone. But if you're a sicko, it's also a bad idea because others might think their lives are in danger and they'll hurt you to stop you. But if those others aren't up to the task of hurting you, it's also a bad idea because men in blue suits will either hurt you and/or try and put you in jail. Best also if you never had a device in the first place which can kill people in a second from hundreds of feet, and kill many people in a group separated by many feet and at a distance in seconds.

Not creepy.

1338  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
Why are we looking at a volcano?

Perhaps you're seeing a different image than I am? There's no volcano in that picture, it's a graph of temperatures.

My bad. Now I just see a conveniently selected section of historical temperatures which are rising, and some denier fitted a sine curve to it, conveniently, because linear regression wouldn't have been favorable to his point.
1339  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Freedom is ... on: January 05, 2013, 08:05:42 PM
It's a bad idea because you might hurt someone. But if you're a sicko, it's also a bad idea because these men in blue costumes will hurt you to stop you.

Not creepy.
1340  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This should give FirstAscent a stroke... on: January 05, 2013, 08:01:34 PM
Why are we looking at a volcano?
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