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1321  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Safe wiring and equipment questions on: December 06, 2017, 08:51:31 PM
The 20% derate on 24/7 operation is a NEC requirement for ALL circuits - including your infeed from the transformer INTO the panel.

 So yes, the 53 miners figure would be closer to correct, as "400 amp service" would work out to 320 USABLE amps (it's probably safe to fudge a couple of amps in that sort of a case, it's not a "OMG I went over an amp I'm FRIED" thing).


 As far as your sig goes - I prefer the variant "We are the immortals. Join us or die.".

 9-)
1322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Discussion] My Bitcoin Mining journey - 400 1080 Ti's To Present Day - on: December 06, 2017, 08:46:30 PM
Roof fans and vents might be an option - or replace some of the panels in or the entire roll-up door with a bit "louvers" setup for the intake venting.

1323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: December 06, 2017, 08:25:05 PM

That is correct. Kuching, Malaysia, the land of oversupplied real estate. $250 usd = 1600sqft. In Hong Kong (where I live), the same space cost 15-20x more lol.


 A standard 192.168.x.x privatenet offers ballpark 64,000 usable addresses - I don't think even BITMAIN needs much more than that, though I'd guess they probably use a 10.x.x.x privatenet "just in case".
 For example, I run my A2 miners on the 192.168.2.x subnet, most of the rest of my machines on the 192.168.100.x subnet, I USED to run a bunch of machines on 192.168.10.x via 10Base2 coax, I USED to run my S5 farm (and the SP20) on the 192.168.5.x subnet, and I have a DHCP address space set up for "short term usage on new machines I've not had the chance to fully configure yet" on 192.168.254.x
 My mining farm area though is starting to subdivide - each 6-rig "rack/shelf" unit will have it's own 192.168.100.xx1 through .xx6 address set, moving probably to 192.168.0.xx0 range if I get big enough eventually - makes it easy when I look at remote monitoring to say "ok, that IP is down, it is located THERE".
 I already had that implimented on the previous shelving units, each "row" with it's own .xx# and the # being the rig IN the row from top to bottom.
 I'm SURE this is not a new idea, though I've not seen it in actual usage anywhere that I can remember.


@quintleo
do you use differnt interfaces for each subnet on your router or something? or is it on the switch level?   how do you set it you can access all  the subnets from you monitoring machine?

im up to 70 machines here btw asics and rigs and already stsrting to worry that my 192.168.0.xxx 256 addresss could be a long term issue.

I also use static addresses set up on the subnet on the sonicwall router since they are all on interface x0
i do have another isp on interface x1 which i use to load balance and failover


 I set the monitoring machine to use 255.255.0.0 for a subnet mask instead of the standard 255.255.255.0
 If you're using a LINUX machine to monitor, that would be a 16 subnet mask instead of a 24.

 When I had the 192.168.10.0 subnet though, that went through a secondary machine as it DID need a different physical interface to be able to talk to the 10-Base-2 (coax) subnet.
 I handled that by having 3 net cards in the firewall/gateway/router machine, one to talk to the ISP connection, one for the 100-Base-T stuff (Gigabit was still expen$$$ive then), one for the 10-Base-2 stuff.



1324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: December 06, 2017, 08:20:46 PM

remember;  450w isn't 450w of 12V, its "n"amps of 12V;  lets be generous and say 32A.   32x12=384W.  Not enough for two cards.  And all of this is without subtracting the % overhead of efficiency (so multiply capability of PSU by 0.8 to 0.9 depending on rating: by my example 384x0.8=307.2w)

Check the PSU label.  See what it can really do.

 On most modern high-end power supplies, that 450 watts IS 450 watts of 12v capability - then the OTHER draws are pulled out of that.

 EVGA in particular works that way on most if not all of their power supplies.

 OP did mention a Delta - which I would presume is what the PCI-E power connectors to the cards themselves are running from.

1325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: December 06, 2017, 08:18:26 PM
Little update on the D1800 BTC progress, i got it finally to recognize and allocate resources to all 6 x 1080ti's finally, but i think i hit a roadblock on my PSU, i have a 450watt EVGA PSU i picked up cheap around black friday for $9.95 shipped after rebate and apparently it doesnt have enough juice to run more than 4 GPU's, as soon as i start mining with all 6 the PSU shuts off, i tried 5 same thing happened, i even tried running 6 @ 50% tdp as soon as i start mining the computer shuts off instantly as soon as it loads up, but as soon as i disable 2, i can mine with 4 even at 110% tdp without any power issues.... since the real load at that point is on the server PSU

The PSU im using, i am using 2 connectors from each string on the mobo, im guessing im overloading the peripheral power bar possibly...

 75 watts per PCI-E bus connection - you're overloading that poor little 450 it would appear, since it's probably also running the CPU/RAM/MB chipset/HD(SSD) stuff.


1326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] dstm's ZCash / Equihash Nvidia Miner v0.5.6 (Linux / Windows) on: December 06, 2017, 08:16:06 PM

I don't like that it shows 8 miners on an eight card board  not a sum of all eight cards



 The "one miner per card reporting" is a well-known DSTM issue, and has been mentioned in that thread.
1327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: December 06, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
I am getting 400 hash/second with my msi geforce gtx 1080 ti armor 11G OC... This is stupidly slow, my 1050 ti 4G OC is getting 170 hash/second

Is this normal?

 Way low for any 1080, much less that MONSTER TDP model - unless you have the TDP tuned way low or bad settings for core/memory clocks.'
 Even my unhappy Gigabyte 1080 cards manage 430-440 running around 105 watts and +100/+100 (higher core = crashy card, higher memory = lower hashrate 'till they hit crashy card on those).

 DSTM - varies, sometimes it gives higher performance sometimes lower than EWBF - and settings on a specific card can often affect that.

 BMiner - I have not and won't bother even looking at as long as it is Windows specific.


1328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help! on: December 06, 2017, 08:03:13 PM
G3930 is cheaper by a couple bucks - but has Kaby Lake compatability issues with some motherboards and operating systems.
IMO it's worth the extra couple bucks to get an older Skylake part to avoid the issues.

 You cannot connect ANY risers safely to a SATA port - the actual SATA CONNECTOR is not rated for the 75 RATED WATTS POWER DRAW on the PCI-E bus (the CONNECTOR ITSELF is only rated 54, and some cards DRAW MORE from the PCI-E bus on peaks).
 Since you already have PCI-E risers, I'd recommend getting some MOLEX to PCI-E 6-pin adapters to use on most or all of them as the EVGA 850s aren't going to have any PCI-E connectors to spare.



1329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Gridcoin (GRC) - first coin utilizing BOINC - Official Thread on: December 06, 2017, 07:55:15 PM
999 confirms seems to be excessive - is that on the Bittrex end or the Poloniex end?
1330  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: What level of air filtration do u use for your bitcoin miners? on: December 06, 2017, 07:50:10 PM
Between the ASICs, the GPUs that are actively mining, and my BOINC/Moo Wrapper/Dnet farms (plus a few extra machines and the evaps etc) I'm pulling ballpark 15 KW on average.
 Bit less the last couple months after I shut one evap down and the other has been getting turned off part of the time by the thermostat it's on.

1331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mh/s shown in the pool are lower than those shown on ethminer on: December 05, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
Ick.

Mining on laptop BAD.

Good way to kill it quickly from overheating it.

I'm amazed that has enough video RAM available to mine ETH at all (My REAL GTX 960 cards are 2GB, which isn't enough to mine ETH any more).



1332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Discussion] My Bitcoin Mining journey - 400 1080 Ti's To Present Day - on: December 05, 2017, 11:14:44 AM
I was stationed on USS Ranger out of North Island for a while - there were parts of the WestPac I made I definitely would have liked to repeat (like the stopover in Thailand) and other parts I would like to have missed.

 Chula Vista- varied when I was living there, some parts were decent some were starting to get iffy.
 Nowhere near as bad as Barrio Logan though.

 Climate in Central Washington isn't a ton different, except we actually have winters here (usually mild though).


 I wish I had the money for 50 x 1080 ti cards AND the rigs to put them in. Might get into that ballpark in another year, if profitability stays good, but I suspect it's going to take a good bit longer.



1333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EZ 6x 1080 TI GPU Mining Rig Build 4400 Sols / 1 PSU on: December 05, 2017, 11:10:08 AM
Shouldn't be an issue when it's being run at 80% or less of TDP (200 watts on every 1080ti I am aware of is 80% TDP, but there might be a few out there that have a default TDP higher than 250 watts) but cooling on a 1080 ti tends to get painfull if you are pushing the card and it's NOT a good high-end cooler card like the Aorus (the MSI Duke mentioned as an alternate should also have very good cooling).

For anyone interested, here are the 1080ti I have and optimal settings I use to achieve stated hash rate at 72+hrs stable;
All cards are +100/+550 with fan min 40%. I do not have time to fine tune.

Make_Model - W - Sols - Sols/W - Temp
MSI Duke: 180 - 681 - 3.70 - 60°C (outside lane)
ASUS STRIX: 190 - 674 - 3.56 - 67°C / 52°C (outside lane)
EVGA SC: 175 - 685 - 3.93 - 65°C
Inno 3D: 185 - 671 - 3.54 - 67°C

EVGA SC Black is the best 1080ti I own and I have three of them. It was also the cheapest purchase, smallest footprint and 2 slot width.

 I like my EVGA SC - probably the best 1080 ti that does NOT need 2 x 8-pin power.

 Gigabyte Aorus at 175 watts was also about 685 sol/s but only runs about 60 C for the one in my gaming machine (80F ambient in a well-cooled case).
 The other one I have in a mining rig (82F ambient) is running 220 watts 745 sols at 50C (the fans at 80% are definitely overkill and I should turn them down a lot).
 (edit)  That's at +100 core / +100 memory, higher memory settings gave REDUCED hashrate (I think the Aorus "overclocks" the memory by default), higher core was long-term crashy.
1334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Nvidia 1060 vs 1070 vs 1080 vs 1080Ti on: December 05, 2017, 10:57:23 AM

I can confirm 6 1080 Ti with 2 850W PSUs have no problem.

 Viable if you run them at about 230 watts or less (180 ballpark for the power supply that is ALSO running the MB/RAM/HD stuff) - and your power limit setting is RELIABLE (which is not always the case on Windows, Afterburner among other options will sometimes LOSE settings on one or more cards after a driver reset).
 I wouldn't push them much if any harder than 700 watts at the wall even on a GOOD power supply, for long term reliability reasons - even with the TDP turned down, you still get SPIKES on power draw quite a bit above the set point.

 On an overall "system cost" basis if you are aiming for max efficiency, the 1070 ti beats the 1080 ti on a hash/$ basis AND on a hash/watt basis - but the 1080 ti system will have a bit more ability to expand hashrate *IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH POWER SUPPLY CAPACITY* and are willing to live with lower efficiency - and the figures come out pretty close, you're not going to see a 1070 ti based rig making money and a 1080 ti rig losing money unless you're pushing the 1080 ti cards a LOT harder.

 At this point, on both the 1070 ti and the 1080 ti my "go to" card is the EVGA SC version.
 I like my Gigabyte Aorus 1080 ti cards, but the dual-8 pin power connector makes them a headache to get multiple cards hooked up compared to the 8+6 on the EVGA SC, and since I'm aiming for good efficiency the cooling on both cards is plenty and they perform equally 'till you push them up past about 220 watts (the better cooling on the Aorus lets it boost higher at that point for a bit higher hashrate and efficiency).
 The SC also tends to cost less than the Aorus, but on a $750 ballpark card the $10-$20 usual difference isn't a big deal in and of itself.

 5 x 1070 ti also fits into the power budget of my rigs, where I end up having to run only 3 x 1080 ti and set them to a somewhat less than best efficiency point (and STILL end up with less total hashrate).
 Down side is the 5 card rig WILL take up a fair bit more space - but even there it's not an issue in my specific case as my current "shelf/rack" design fits a 5 card rig very nicely on a single shelf with good cooling, but would be overkill for 3 and WON'T fit a pair of 3-card rigs on one shelf without major cooling issues.






1335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: December 05, 2017, 10:36:19 AM
Never looked at or heard of sharkmining before - and as a computer tech with experience going back to CP/M and S100 days (that's BEFORE IBM made their original Personal Computer, for the young folk among us), I'm not inclined to look at prebuilt machines at all.
I do rare exceptions for ones that are being sold for less than the cost of usable parts, like my "Big 3" rig I got from a NewEgg closeout that started out as a pre-built for Scrypt machine with 3 x R9 280x - and the value of the video cards plus power supply ALONE was more than the cost of the machine, leaving the Honking Huge Massive Cooling case and MB/CPU/RAM/HD as "bonus".
It has 3 R9 290 cards in it now (the PS was severe overkill for 3 x R9 280x) and I swapped in a dual-core for the original Sempron 145 at one point when the MB the dual-core was originally on died, but it's otherwise the same as I originally bought it (the R9 280x cards ended up in a different machine).

 EWBF does in fact run on AM2 motherboards - I've even run it on Socket 754 based Sempron systems which are a few years older than AM2 at times in some of my testing.

 I'd be more inclined to look at Windows 10 or drivers as the issue, especially since Win 10 was not designed to run on anything quite that old and needs MASSIVE resources compared to previous Windows versions.



1336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Cast XMR] high speed XMR/CryptoNight miner for RX Vega GPUs (2 KHash/s) on: December 05, 2017, 10:24:14 AM
I've used the latest 17.11.4 Optional vega drivers on a machine and its main advantage is allowing the higher then 1107 memory speed and the 1200 SOC clock but its also less stable then the old August compute based drivers.   Its mostly designed to further game performance, fix some game bugs nothing much has changed otherwise.   Its worth a try if you havent got the results you wanted and/or are going to reinstall drivers anyway but nothing dramatic enough to alter a good working hash rate setup.

So does Cast XMR work at full speed with those drivers? I was of the impression that it still only worked with the blockchain drivers.

No, tried with lastest AMD driver.

The latest AMD drivers allow for a 'compute mode' swicth, which is equivalent to the blockchain driver. Sadly this miner seems to be a bit silly and refuses to work in optimized mode unless the driver is the blockchain beta.

In non -optimized mode, i'm getting 1200 - 1300 h/s with my Vega with Claymore. ~1000 h/s with Cast
try xmr-stak, it doesn't check driver version ))

 Unless it changed recently, it DOES in fact check driver version - and mines in a "slower" mode if you don't have the blockchain drivers.
1337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: December 05, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
Anybody had any experience or thoughts on the Colorful Igame Vulcan 1080ti?
Tossing up between that, the MSI duke, and the EVGA SC2

 I have no experience with the Duke, but IIRC it needs 2 x 8-pin connectors which makes it harder to run a lot of them in one rig.

 EVGA FTX is the same way as I recall.

 SC2 is 8-pin plus 6-pin, has good cooling (though not quite up to my Aorus cards which are ALSO 2 x 8-pin), and runs quite well - also seems to be the highest-performance card that does NOT need 2 x 8-pin connectors at this point, though that's splitting very fine hairs.

1338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: December 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM

That is correct. Kuching, Malaysia, the land of oversupplied real estate. $250 usd = 1600sqft. In Hong Kong (where I live), the same space cost 15-20x more lol.

 Very nice - best I've seen anywhere in the US in the last decade was $1000 for a 3000 square foot "mostly warehouse with a small office space" setup I had in the Indianapolis area for a while, unless the place was HUGE (10,000+ feet).

 $500 for 1000 feet with water/sewer/garbage included where I'm at now though is good for this area, expecially with the "cooling vents/louvers" built into the building front-and-back of the space, the "gable-type exhaust fan" that was already installed in the space (but in a bad spot, it'll work better as another intake), and I'm on the end of the building with 2 A/C units mounted in the "side" wall (one I converted to additional "vent" area with prior landlord approval but in a way I can easily put it back the way it was when I move out).

 I suspect part of the reason it's as low as it is would be the ACTIVE railroad track (single-track BNSF main-line) the property backs up onto - but I grew up almost as close to a dual-track Penn Central line so the train noise is no big deal to me.

 A standard 192.168.x.x privatenet offers ballpark 64,000 usable addresses - I don't think even BITMAIN needs much more than that, though I'd guess they probably use a 10.x.x.x privatenet "just in case".
 For example, I run my A2 miners on the 192.168.2.x subnet, most of the rest of my machines on the 192.168.100.x subnet, I USED to run a bunch of machines on 192.168.10.x via 10Base2 coax, I USED to run my S5 farm (and the SP20) on the 192.168.5.x subnet, and I have a DHCP address space set up for "short term usage on new machines I've not had the chance to fully configure yet" on 192.168.254.x
 My mining farm area though is starting to subdivide - each 6-rig "rack/shelf" unit will have it's own 192.168.100.xx1 through .xx6 address set, moving probably to 192.168.0.xx0 range if I get big enough eventually - makes it easy when I look at remote monitoring to say "ok, that IP is down, it is located THERE".
 I already had that implimented on the previous shelving units, each "row" with it's own .xx# and the # being the rig IN the row from top to bottom.
 I'm SURE this is not a new idea, though I've not seen it in actual usage anywhere that I can remember.

 It's NOT a good idea to push 300+ watts through a "dual PCI-E" type cable in a lot of cases - check the gauge of the wiring first, some of them are only intended to handle the 225 "8-pin + 6-pin" that are attached to them with VERY LITTLE left over if at all.
 EVGA and Seasonic cables should be OK - EVGA uses fairly heavy duty wiring on it's VGA cables for the G2/P2/T2 series (and I think they carried the cables over to the G3 series) and Seasonic tends to "double up" on the wires on their dual-connector cables.



1339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Coolbits stay in on: December 04, 2017, 11:04:15 PM
It seems likely you are running in the the Ubuntu BUG in one version where xorg.conf gets DELETED at bootup - the real workaround is to add " NOGPUMANAGER" to your grub startup line in /etc/default/grub then update grub.

1340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Build] 6x 1070 TI Mining Rig - Ultra Efficient Equihash Mining on: December 04, 2017, 10:59:22 PM
You keep forgetting to post the link on where to download the pretty woman.

 9-)

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