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13261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 06:30:36 AM
Well as long as one is aware that 95% of economists tend to be wrong at any one time your a little bit ahead
I also laugh at the people who think it won't succeed but with the all the BS articles spreading around the internet cannot blame those who look at the surface and it will be their loss.
Unless your a Nouriel Roubini though would not be be able to say we can see the future buts that speculation


Well, I've been saying these things for 3 months now.  Things like alt coins will soon greatly increase in number and that's already started. 3 moths ago most thought that wouldn't happen for years to come.

And I said bitcoin was going to walstreet and Main Street, and already, faster than even predicted its applied for an ETF.  I said 2014, would see an explosion in not just bitcoin value but most alt coins.  

And 3 months ago I never read anyone make such bullish remarks and yet they've all come true. I wrote a few articles stating these things for Devcoin - so at least I can back up my claims next year if I'm right and all the doubters jump out saying:  oh, we knew it all along.  

Cause most can't even imagine what's coming.  If they could they'd be holding to every coin and buy more. I'm buying most coins even the ones which are thought to have no future like ixCoin, and the ultra cheap like Devcoin.

Those who take a little risk now can make millions in the next 2 years.  The state and the banks badly want digital cash to make it - way too much power and smart money on our side for this thing to not blow up to the mother of all bubbles.

Sad thing is most here will sell way too early.  Most here will sell it all if they see $100,000 in their accounts. But that's a predetermined outcome and that's why this thing will work so well for many more people but those who get in early stand to make by far the most money.  And this, right now, is early.

And roubini, he was saying buy gold the last 2 years while I was telling everyone I know to dump it.  So at least once I was right and he was wrong.  Lol.  But gold will spike like mad, but not until late 2015.  

And in the short run gold will breach $1,000 and head to $500. And I said this 3 moths ago in one of my articles when gold was $1400.  Nobody then was taking about $1,000 and $500 was crazy talk.
13262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 06:22:08 AM
@Vlad2Vlad, honestly you should check out emunie, you sound like exactly what this community is all about.

I've talked to the founder Fuserleer last month just exactly what your OP was describing, and while there is no official announcement yet, I'm very sure the eMunie Foundation will work similar to how you described as a fair premine system, though it will be no where close to 25% you suggested, it will just be a tiny tiny cut from all EMU minted on a continuous basis.

That way founding members have vested interest to keep pushing things forward constantly and make the currency a success, because if it's not, they will receive little or nothing.

Interesting.  That's exactly want I'm saying - it's the best way to pay the founders, keep them in the game enough to care about making the coin more valuable.

What a strange name for a coin though.  A Munie is a municipal bond which is the riskiest government bond of them all.  Odd.
13263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 06:16:46 AM
OP = Original Post.  IE the one you made to start this thread.  

Just wondering.  Just from your wording about certain things.  Are you a programmer?  Or do you have much programming experience?  Or are you thinking about hiring someone to create the coin for you?

Since you are looking for innovation for your coin.  What ways are you things about innovating the coin?  Are you planning on doing more then changing the name of Litecoin to your name??  If that's all your doing, how much do you believe you should get for developing the coin?  Or are you talking more from the perspective of working/developing the coin to be better accepted in the Fait/banking world as a payment option?  

The reason your getting so much negativity is until you can show your different from the 99% of other developers, your categorized in the same group as the rest of them.  Many/most don't do enough to not deserve the answer that is leading in your poll.

Since it's your coin, the ball is really in your court.  Pay yourself as much or as little as you want.  Premine it as a developer fund if you feel like.  If you prove your worth it, people will put their trust in you and mine for your coin.

I'm an economist, so I'm different from 99% of the current developers.

I have only known about crypto-coins for 3 months now and I'm blown away.  People don't realize what they have here.

Bitcoin is just an infant and its gonna grow up faster than the dot com boom. All laugh at the Bitcoin ETF application and the pros think they'll never get approved by the US govt but I'm 100% certain they will, and that will change everything.

That will be phase 2 - alt coin hyper drive.  That will happen next year.  I want to get my own coin launched before that happens cause at that point there's gonna be over 300 coins on the market and dozens of new ones per week.  

This is the final days if you wanna get noticed but I can't program and I'm low on money since I'm not working a regular job right now.

But I want to launch a great coin, and that won't be cheap or easy.
13264  Other / Meta / Re: Activity & new membergroup limits on: July 09, 2013, 06:10:50 AM
He's probably confusing it with the stack overflow badge for posting once a day for a year.

Ok,  what badge is that? I've never seen such a badge in here before.

Before you get confused and start spamming again...he's talking about a different website.


Lol.  Fair enough.  But I wasn't trying to spam for a badge.  Just for a privilege (starting a new topic) I had already previously earned.
13265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is The Perfect Crypto-Coin? on: July 09, 2013, 06:09:12 AM
there is already such a discussion at eMunie:
A) Features - please list which features you want most
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/best-feature-you-are-looking-forward-to-interested-in.6/

B) Coin, Logo Design and Marketing
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/emulie-logo.40/

D, E) Value - what can be done to increase the coin's face value
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/emunie-latest-technical-and-feature-set-ramblings-29th-june-2013.143/

Oh, that's on eMunie's own personal website.  I'm not doing anymore accounts.  No wonder I didn't find it on bitcointalk.

Well, we need to cover these issues here for all the people on here and all the devs who read and post here.  But I'm glad there's a coin that actually cares enough to ask.
13266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is The Perfect Crypto-Coin? on: July 09, 2013, 06:06:20 AM
there is already such a discussion at eMunie:
A) Features - please list which features you want most
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/best-feature-you-are-looking-forward-to-interested-in.6/

B) Coin, Logo Design and Marketing
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/emulie-logo.40/

D, E) Value - what can be done to increase the coin's face value
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/emunie-latest-technical-and-feature-set-ramblings-29th-june-2013.143/

Now there's a good sign of a good coin. But why eMunie.   A Munie is a local government bond - a municipal bond which unlike fed bonds can be placed in bankruptcy if that particular project fails or the state goes broke.

I'm not sure why anyone would choose a coin based on the riskiest government bonds, but Maybe it has nothing to do with that.
13267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 06:00:54 AM
When I see premine, I immediately think scamcoin.

I agree but it doesn't have to be that way.  A premine can be ok, but I have to say that's the easiest way to do a pump and dump.

You have your answer to your own poll. Every alt-coin is worth crap until proven otherwise. It's nothing against the developer, it's just that premining them just lower even more their crappy value.

Agreed but that doesn't answer the poll.

What is a fair way to pay the developer of a new coin.

My idea was a preset % of all mined coins - be it 5% or 25%.  That way his pay is gradual and he will have the incentive to work to make the coin more popular and more valuable.

But it seems few agree with this protocol.  Most want no payouts of any kind and that's silly. We would have no bill gates or Steve Jobs if there was no incentive to get rich.  There has to be a fair and happy medium.

Capitalism and the promise of large profits will bring about the biggest and best coins we've ever seen.  Without those potential profits we'll keep getting the same crap coins with basically a name change.
13268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 05:52:42 AM
Pretty sure I read that Satoshi pre-mined 800,000 Bitcoins.  They are still sitting in the same wallet.  I know a few people are watching that wallet to see if any ever get spent so they can try to figure out who he really is. 

You read wrong.  Maybe Satoshi MINED (as in post genesis block) x,000 coins but there was no premine in Bitcoin.

You have over 10,000 posts, the most I've ever seen on this forum.  I'm gonna say you're the expert and announce your answer the correct one.

Thanks.
13269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is The Perfect Crypto-Coin? on: July 09, 2013, 05:49:02 AM
FinShaggy, is that you?

Lol.  Is that a compliment?

Hey, I may be an economist but I do have that business side to me as well, which most lack along with decent communication skills.  But I don't think I'm quite the salesman finshaggy is.  Ha!
13270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 05:46:49 AM
Pretty sure I read that Satoshi pre-mined 800,000 Bitcoins.  They are still sitting in the same wallet.  I know a few people are watching that wallet to see if any ever get spent so they can try to figure out who he really is.  

He's not gonna spend it cause he's now a tied up loose end.
13271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 05:44:25 AM

Wow, got a lot to say about it hu...... Personally I could care less about premine, I just dont care, as long as network and devs show they are truly behind its success, plain and simple.

I was just trying to show the OP (Who in the last 2-3 days has decided he was coming out with Catholic coin, Charity coin, Santa Coin, "please name me a popular sounding"coin) that he seems more worried about what the name is then the programming behind the coin.  Which to me looks like a huge sign that he is going to change 1-2 parameters from Litecoin, if that.  He might even be one of the latest developers that forgot to even change the name in the read me files to not say Litecoin.  Then he seems like he is ticked we don't want to pay him for all the hard work and developing.  

If he came showing innovation or some fresh ideas, I would be glad to give him the thumbs up on getting something for his troubles.

And nope we don't really "Need" more coins to come out just because.  We already seem to get 10 new ones a day, most will fail within a few weeks, and as miners keep getting more and more spread out, it will make it a lot easier for someone to come 51% piles of coins out of existence.  Already looking at Coinchoose, I see a few network hashrates that could be 51% attacked by someone with dual GPU's.  That's not good, it's scary.

You got me wrong.  My main focus was a polular coin because i saw if as a good way to bring good value long term.  Lets face it, all this innovation you speak of, Bitcoin and none of it and nobody cares cause its worth $70 per coin. So my main focus wasn't just a name but the long term value as a function of popularity.  But I do want innovation - I want it all for a coin Cause I'm thinking long term.

No, I've never been part of launching any coins.  Can't you tell?

What's OP?
13272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 05:40:41 AM
When I see premine, I immediately think scamcoin.

I agree but it doesn't have to be that way.  A premine can be ok, but I have to say that's the easiest way to do a pump and dump.
13273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 05:39:37 AM
Follow Satoshi and let the coin speak for itself

You mean the Feds?

I don't wanna follow Satoshi.  He gets no credit, no money and no fame.  Zero reward.  I'll stick to my 9 to 5 at the bank and keep my life simple instead of neglecting my family pulling 16 hour shifts trying to launch a coin with no guarantees or success.

I don't want a quick buck.  I don't want a pump and dump.  I want to launch a coin which will be around for a long time.
13274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 05:33:59 AM
I can't believe this poll.

Everyone is voting for no special payout to founders.  That's like saying: yeah, we want nice Nike shoes but the founder who does all the work and ensures high quality, well, you better work on the assembly line if you want a nice pair of shoes like the rest of us.

That's called Communism.

What is wrong for getting paid a reasonable fee or % for starting and Maintainjng a good crypto coin which in turn can make you, the miner a lot of money?  Why is that bad?

Why is everyone against coin founders making some decent coin to provide you all with more and better coins to mine and essentially make free cash from home while you're off at school or work?  Better coins means more good coins to mine which means more cash to go around as more better stringer miners come online.  

We need each other, you guys need more good coins to come out as the existing coins get too hard to mine.  Why not pay a fair distribution to those founders and if their work sucks then they won't get much since there's no premine.

Except if this was communism, you would be told you are going to make a coin, you wouldn't choose to do it

BTW, Nikes are made in China. Bad analogy

Made in china doesn't mean much. Phil Knight got lots of shares for taking a risk, working hard and making a great product.  He's worst $10 Billion and I've actually been at his house and played tennis there.

According to these responses, he had no right to make that money and should be worth as much as his assembly line employees.  And there's assembly lines in the US, mainly the air-sole division so lets not split hairs.

That's just not right.

So what's a fair cut?  I don't like premine cause it can be used as a pump and dump so the best would be a preset % given out everyday or every month from the mining.
13275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CatholicCoin - Catholic Coin - Religion Coin on: July 09, 2013, 05:29:48 AM
Will this coin be used to kill MuslimCoin and JewCoin holders?

This is an awesome response.

I don't know about awesome but it was definitely original, unexpected and made me laugh.  Not that's it's funny in a good way, but it made me laugh. 
13276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / What is The Perfect Crypto-Coin? on: July 09, 2013, 05:24:40 AM
It seems that every single crypt-coin which has come out has flaws and lacks features or things many people wish they had, even the mighty Bitcoin.

And then it dawned on me, no developer ever stopped to ask the masses what it was they wanted most in a coin before they designed their own coin.

So here's everyone's chance - what qualities do you want most for an ideal, dream crypto-coin?

List your top 3 must haves or favorite qualities and/or features.

For example, some are crazy for better features - if so then list which features exactly you're looking for.

For others, a cool household name - something you're familiar with and maybe grew up with. Sorry, nothing which has a trademark, however.

While others may be looking for an awesome design of the coin - most of the designs out there are pretty lame and tend to just copy Bitcoin.

Finally, I can imagine some may only care about the value of that coin and want a coin which consistently increases in value.

And of course, let's not forget about trust.  A lot of scammer coins have come and many more will be coming.  So what can a new coin developer do to increase trust, besides a fair launch?




So please list your top 3 favorite qualities in a new coin.

Here's a quick list at a glance:

A) Features - please list which features you want most

B) Coin, Logo Design and Marketing

C) Better Names

D) Value - what can be done to increase the coin's face value

E) Trust - what can be done to increase trust, besides a fair launch

Etc.....



And I'm sure there are some qualities I've missed.  Let's get them all on one thread which can serve as a defacto must have list of qualities and features for any current and future developers which they can use when designing YOUR next coin.  

Thanks for your input,

- Vlad
13277  Other / Meta / Re: Activity & new membergroup limits on: July 09, 2013, 05:06:49 AM
He's probably confusing it with the stack overflow badge for posting once a day for a year.

Ok,  what badge is that? I've never seen such a badge in here before.
13278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 05:02:29 AM
I can't believe this poll.

Everyone is voting for no special payout to founders.  That's like saying: yeah, we want nice Nike shoes but the founder who does all the work and ensures high quality, well, you better work on the assembly line if you want a nice pair of shoes like the rest of us.

That's called Communism.

What is wrong for getting paid a reasonable fee or % for starting and Maintainjng a good crypto coin which in turn can make you, the miner a lot of money?  Why is that bad?

Why is everyone against coin founders making some decent coin to provide you all with more and better coins to mine and essentially make free cash from home while you're off at school or work?  Better coins means more good coins to mine which means more cash to go around as more better stringer miners come online. 

We need each other, you guys need more good coins to come out as the existing coins get too hard to mine.  Why not pay a fair distribution to those founders and if their work sucks then they won't get much since there's no premine.
13279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CatholicCoin - Catholic Coin - Religion Coin on: July 09, 2013, 04:51:46 AM
I just put up a poll for the question of best way to compensate founders or a coin.  Lets see what kind of responses we get.  It seems like most people are against any profit by the founders.  That's just ridiculous - it takes a lot of work and money to launch and maintain a coin.

 Is everyone a communist now, in America?  

Maybe I need to launch in China.  Lol
13280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 04:47:35 AM
People are automatically so offended when a coin Founder tries to make a profit off the coin they worked so hard to launch.  

Like ixCoin, the guy only pre-mined 560K coins, out of 21 Million, hardly a large amount, and for that ixCoin was killed dead in its tracks.  Well, it's still around but it's in zombie land.

So what's a fair way for founders to make some money. It should be a way which forces them to promote the coin instead of pumping and dumping which means no premining as those coins can be dumped anytime.

I suggest no premine, and instead, founders, would instead get a preset % from the mined coins.  For example 25%, which would go toward everything from profits to admin, overhead and marketing costs. This way the coins are coming gradually and the founders are forced to do anything necessary to get the Coin's price up over the long term.

So then what about a coin where 25% goes to charity, 25% to founders for profit and overhead, and 50% to miners?  Considering some coins are only giving miners 10%-20%, I think this is the most fair way to do a distribution - where everyone comes out a winner.
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