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1341  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: March 06, 2015, 06:48:42 PM
Fuck organized religion.
Superstition is the end of reason, and therefore the ally of violence. A less superstitious world is a less violent world.
Religion is all about controlling people through fear and shame. This naturally leads to a great deal of hatred, violence, and suffering.

The following is an excerpt from The Empathic Civilization - Becoming Human, pp 119 - 122 (TLDR at bottom)

"When we talk of guilt, we need to be clear not to confuse it with shame. Often the two terms are used interchangeably when, in fact, they are quite different. While guilt can trigger empathic distress and the desire to reach out and make amends to another whom one has harmed, shame denigrates a person’s being, making them feel worthless and inhuman. To be shamed is to be rejected. Shame is a way of isolating a person from the collective we. He or she becomes an outsider and a nonperson. Shame has the effect of turning off the innate empathic impulse. If one feels like a nonbeing, socially ostracized and without self-worth, he is unable to draw upon his empathic reserves to feel for another’s plight. Unable to emotionally connect with others, he either shrinks into withdrawal or acts out his sense of abandonment by exercising rage at others. Why rage? Because it is often the only way he has open to him to communicate and engage his fellow human beings. The idea of the “loner,” isolated from society and full of rage toward his fellows, is a phenomenon in every society.

When one is made to feel guilty, it is one’s humanity that is being called upon to do the right thing by another person. Unlike shaming someone, which isolates him from humanity, guilty is an internal mechanism that reminds one of his deep social connection to others and the need to repair the social bond. Guilt needs to be handled carefully. If a parent’s induction discipline creates too much of a sense of guilt in the child, he is likely to grow up feeling that nothing he can do will ever be adequate to amend a hurt or restore a social bond. If, on the other hand, a parent’s induction discipline doesn’t result in instilling at least a minimum of guilt in the child, he will grow up without being able to reflect on how his behavior affects others and unable to trigger sufficient empathic distress to re-heal the social bond. Just good enough parenting lets the child know that he did something wrong, but in a caring way that lets him know that he is still loved and regarded as a person. By explaining how the other person might feel and asking him how he would feel in the same situation, the parents are letting him know that they trust his innate goodness and desire to empathize with others and make amends. Equally important, the parents are teaching a cxhild that their love for him is no less because of his wrongful behavior. No one is perfect. The best we can expect of each other is to learn from our indiscretions and try to do better next time.
By shaming a child, however, the parents are letting him know that whe is not living up to their expectations and, therefore, not worthy of their consideration. Their expectations, rather than his humanity, become the focal point of the disciplinary exercise. The child is left with the impression that his very being is a disappointment and that he must conform to an “ideal image” of what his parents expects from him or suffer the consequence of rejection*.
Guilt cultures create a very different human being from shaming cultures. The American philosopher Martha Nussbaum puts it this way:
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Moral guilt is so much better than shame, because it can be atoned for, it does not sully the entirety of one’s being. It is a dignified emotion compatible with optimism about one’s own prospects. . . . Rather than making a forbidding and stifling demand for perfection, [morality] holds the child in her imperfection, telling her that the world contains possibilities of forgiveness and mercy, and that she is loved as a person of interest and worth in her own right. She therefore need not fear that her human imperfections will cause the world’s destruction. And because she is not stricken by annihilating shame at her imperfection, she will have less need for nevy and jealousy, emotions that express her desire for omnipotent control of the sources of good.

Ironically, while a shaming culture pretends to adhere to the highest standards of moral perfection, in reality it produces a culture of self-hate, envy, jealousy, and hatred toward others. Shaming cultures, throughout history, have been the most aggressive and violent because they lock up the empathic impulse, and with it the ability to experience another’s plight and respond with acts of compassion. When a child grows up in a shaming culture believing that he must conform to an ideal of perfection or purity or suffer the wrath of the community, he is likely to judge everyone else by the same rigid, uncompromising standards. Lacking empathy, he is unable to experience other people’s suffering as if it were his own and therefore is likely to judge their plight as their own fault because they failed to live up to the standards of perfection expected of them by society.
   Shaming cultures still exist in traditional societies. It is not uncommon to hear about a woman who has been gang-raped and who is then stoned to death by her own family and neighbors, because she has brought shame on herself and her family. Rather than empathize with her suffering, the community inflicts even greater punishment on her by taking her life. In the eyes of the community, she bears the shame of the rape, despite the fact that she was the innocent victim. As far as her family and neighbors are concerned, she is forever defiled and impure and therefore an object of disgust to be blotted out. The power of shaming cultures to squelch empathy and transform human beings into monsters is terrifying to behold."

TLDR
"While a shaming culture pretends to adhere to the highest standards of moral perfection, in reality it produces a culture of self-hate, envy, jealousy, and hatred toward others. Shaming cultures, throughout history, have been the most aggressive and violent because they lock up the empathic impulse, and with it the ability to experience another’s plight and respond with acts of compassion. When a child grows up in a shaming culture believing that he must conform to an ideal of perfection or purity or suffer the wrath of the community, he is likely to judge everyone else by the same rigid, uncompromising standards. Lacking empathy, he is unable to experience other people’s suffering as if it were his own and therefore is likely to judge their plight as their own fault because they failed to live up to the standards of perfection expected of them by society. (...) The power of shaming cultures to squelch empathy and transform human beings into monsters is terrifying to behold."
-Jeremy Rifkin

1342  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Conspiracy things.. on: March 06, 2015, 06:45:41 PM
"Its all staged, the world is a huge movie theater and a human farm, they need to maintain the people manipulated and blind so they create all this problems to distract the society from waking up. Yes a human farm, just like the plants eat minerals then animals eat plants and we eat both,  we are not in the top of the food chain!, there are some life forms that could be ethereal and they eat us, their food is some kind of energy from our body (it can be negative energy) , he thinks in fact there are more levels above us in the food chain that below us.
Reality is actually even more shocking than you think. If there was a "They" who were in on this big conspiracy, it would be a simple matter of finding out who these people are and what their agenda is. There is no they.

No one knows what to do. Your leaders are mostly making it up as they go along, and all of them are just as indoctrinated into their sick culture as you are in yours. Like you, the elite have been lied to since formative years by people who were also lied to since formative years.

Most of the most powerful people in the world are just as terrified - and probably twice as stressed - as you are.

1343  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 06:34:17 PM
About entertainers, how could they live without income, and thus produce the entertainment I like?
Entertainers survived and thrived for thousands of years before the word "copyright" was ever uttered.

I care about property rights. I won't support a system that doesn't allow people to keep the fruits of their labor
So you don't support capitalism, I take it? After all, it's a fact that the overwhelming majority of workers are not allowed to keep the fruits of their labor. They are expected to accept a tiny fraction of the profits generated by that labor, or fuck off and starve.

It's up to the individual to decide whether he wants to forfeit his property rights
Reality check, it's up to whomever commands the monopoly on coercive force and violence. In this case, the nation state. You have no rights, you have privileges granted to you by your masters. These can be revoked at any time. If you don't believe me, google internment camps WW2.
1344  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mark Cuban: This tech bubble is ‘far worse’ than back in 2000 on: March 06, 2015, 06:28:19 PM
Mark Cuban is wrong, the end.
1345  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ILLEGALS TO RECEIVE $1.7 BILLION IN TAXPAYER FUNDS... on: March 06, 2015, 06:26:21 PM
A nation founded on immigrants, built by immigrants, now trying to close the borders on immigrants and keep it for themselves. Such utter hypocrisy the world has never known.
1346  Economy / Speculation / Re: To become a whale... on: March 06, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
...how many bitcoins do you need to possess? Just curious what people's thoughts are.
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
1347  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 06:04:44 PM
Please, understand that I have decided to appropriate myself the rights granted by copyrights, in the attribution to myself to the patent of fire. yes, simply that. following this dire legal fact, all of you will have to pay me 1% of your income (because today I am nice, but tomorrow it could be 20%), I hope you will agree, otherwise I would come with the "cops" to take your asset directly (it would be less nice).
This guy gets it.

the best and most efficient way to finish copyright holder is to not buy from them. it's a pause, but to breath you have to pause. Cheesy. think of that like the winter of growth.
I'd so go one step further, once you have the information they are trying to own, distribute it as freely and widely as you can. No mercy for any profit margins backed by (state or not) violence.
1348  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you "scared" that Bitcoin might actually succeed? on: March 06, 2015, 01:48:36 PM
Are you "scared" that Bitcoin might actually succeed (and then have serious issues), or are you focused on the bright side?
As far as I'm concerned every day the bitcoin network is online bitcoin has succeeded.
1349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: blockchain.info now shows CHINA mining 54% of BTC on: March 06, 2015, 01:45:55 PM
...

This is the first time I have seen blockchain.info showing separate stats for BW.COM at their mining stats page.

https://blockchain.info/pools

The top four miners (percentage of recent block wins / hashing power):

AntPool:           20%
F2Pool:            16%
BW.COM:         11%
BTCChina Pool:  7%

Total China:    54%

(Sort of reminds when GHash.IO briefly took 51% of mining)
It's not "china" as in "China's government", it's "a bunch of random folks who happen to live in the nation where one third of all humans live". Nothing to be alarmed about.
1350  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 04:23:06 AM
Why should you invest significant amounts of money to make some kind of invention when you could just wait for someone else to do the 'heavy lifting' for you.
This concern only really matters when you're not pals with the people printing the money (or for those borrowing millions interest-free). When you have that kind of game-rigging happening in the heart of your system, the rules no longer apply.

Besides, if your big company fails because some little guy copied you and undercut your prices, you'll just get bailed out anyway! Or even if you don't get bailed out, we all know the executives will have their golden parachutes ready.
1351  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 04:17:37 AM
Reverse engineering was how we got PC clones - but funnily enough IBM didn't go out of business did they?
Not just yet, at least. 2014-15 hasn't exactly been kind to them, though. I guess I wouldn't complain if my 103 year old company had a 150+ billion dollar marketcap, though.

1352  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is a Bitcoin in my computer? An archive, an abstract value? on: March 06, 2015, 04:14:09 AM
See this video for better understanding:
The Amazing Math Of Bitcoin's Private Keys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZloHVKk7DHk
This video (and every other one from that YTer) is excellent learning material.
1353  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 04:02:12 AM
But I haven't starved or gone crawling back to "the man" just because people here won't pay for software copies.
A white westerner in China? Spoiler: you ARE the man.
1354  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 03:43:15 AM
I personally don't see this ever happening, since not only would people have to put aside their own petty and selfish desires, but they'd also have to destroy the formidable political and corporate power structures which supports such behavior.
Correct. This will happen.
1355  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 02:29:45 AM
So you're fine with slavery and rape, as long as nobody makes any profits?
Really? What a weak strawman. Looks like we're done here.

Since 2013 this forum attracts most "wanna-get-rich" piece of shit all over the world.
QFT, but it comes with the territory of money.
1356  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 01:19:20 AM
You claim that any system will be better, which is how you excuse your lack of a better alternative.  Fortunately for the rest of us, history has countless examples of alternative systems which are vastly inferior.
I claim only that any system from past civilization will almost certainly be inferior, and any system from future civilization will very likely be (ethically and otherwise) superior. I claim that just as capitalism was born, so too must it die. Capitalism is not immortal, no human system ever was.

Wasn't that supposed to be the 20th century?  Marxism had more than enough chances.  It failed.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but modern post/anti-capitalist thought extends quite a bit beyond Marx.

Your ideas have been proven to result in plenty of starvation and death, but you are correct in mentioning the slavery, torture, and rape that are happening in North Korea thanks to people like you.
"Anticapitalist Bitcointalk forum posts made North Korea happen, guise!"  Roll Eyes

I guess you'll be conveniently ignoring the fact that capitalist sex-slave trafficking is a 40 billion dollar per year global industry? Dat profit motive though.

That makes no sense.  At what point in history did humans have more food than they now have?
Not more food, but less people (higher infant mortality), and less waste.

At what point in history would a starving man willingly let another man take all his food, "for free"?
In the amazon basin, during food shortages elders were often known to "go for a walk in the forest", which is a euphemism for go out to die, so that the young may live.
This is in stark contrast to modern american life, where the old so often become the predators of the young. And if that isn't the definition of dystopia, I don't know what is.

What, this year?  I thought you were just whining about current circumstances.  Are you also blaming everything in history on our current system, retroactively?
You do realize that capitalism existed in the 18th century, correct? What, did you think piracy existed before capitalism? Good lord, you're beyond my help.

 Meanwhile, those of us who need food will continue either working or starving.
Ah, I see we've arrived at the part of the story where all capitalists are rewarded in exact proportion to how hard they work. The part where the wealthy elite all work 60+ hour work weeks just like the single mom with three kids.
The part where inheritance and spoiled rich kids don't exist. The part where you mentally sanitize capitalism of all its obvious fuedal roots. The part where the mythical "communism" still exists in 2015 in Russia and China, even though everyone knows those nations are hyper-capitalist in practice.

Just world fallacy is so absurd, it's amazing how it survives, even in the minds of people as socially-engineered as you.
1357  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 12:40:49 AM
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If you trace back through time you'd find that damn near all property can be linked to past violence.

So are all of our lives.  All of us are descended from a few murderers and rapists, and we wouldn't have been born without the violence of our ancestors.  

What are you going to do about that?
Nothing, because as you yourself admitted, there's nothing that can be done. The clever reader may note that this is very much NOT THE CASE when it comes to the possibility of egalitarian distribution of resources.

You sound like a spoiled child.
You can do better than weak ad hominem attacks, no?

Where will all this food and healthcare come from?
Capitalism wastes food on an industrial scale. Whatever comes after will by necessity be much more efficient at resource distribution.

The health-profit parasite industry we call "Health Insurance" in this country is widely regarded as toxic mimic of real health care. It's almost darkly comical how bad it is in the USA, and reveals well the dangers of mass indoctrination and mass obedience.

Health Insurance execs are laughing their way to the bank with bloodmoney earned from denying access to healthcare to millions of Americans, including countless dead children. That's the reality you're supposed to accept because "capitalism", dear reader.

Do you think money, goods, and services automatically appear every time a baby is born?
I think in the 21st century, the exchange of money is going to become an irrelevant ritual from a bygone era, no more necessary for feeding the children of the world than it is for coercing primates to fuck.

Throughout human history, starvation and death have been the everyday norm.
You could say the same for slavery, torture, and rape. Still, I think you'll agree we should seek to distance civilization from these as much as possible given the technology at our disposal.

Take it up with God
I don't see how superstition is going to be anything but a hindrance here.

... or nature.  We have to eat, and food isn't free.
All food on this planet is free until the violence-enforced profit motive builds a big ass barbed-wire fence around it. I have this theory that the more a person talks about human nature, the less they understand about it. Listening to a capitalist preach about human nature is about as useful as listening to a priest talk to you about science. As a civilized primate, the first thing you need to understand about your nature is that it is being held hostage by a lifetime of cultural indoctrination. That is step one on the road to recovery.

.If you actually expect that to change, you're an idiot.
I expect everything to change when it comes to human existence. In fact I expect continuous change to be the only constant.

Nobody forces anybody to work.  That's just life.
The Royal Navy probably said something similarly fascistic to the men they press-ganged into service aboard their ships. Nevertheless, the militant social movement called piracy blossomed in the face of these lies.

In other news, Foxconn constructed huge nets around their massive factory-dorms to prevent further worker suicides. When you say "that's just life", what you mean is "that's just life for the working poor of the world. The rich don't have to work."

If you don't want to work, then don't.
“America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you’ve lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn’t belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don’t care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve.”
― Tom Morello

Yes, i understand how frustrating it can be knowing that someone "owns an idea", and in some ideal society it would be nonsence to do so, but we live in a capitalist age
Not for long.

Personal property rights are the foundation of all civilization, and the only people against it are those who want to tear down all of civilization.
That's precisely why private property has been so difficult to shake. Modern capitalism predates the age of science itself, it's built into the very architecture of our language (e.g. "I don't buy that").

It's no wonder we're at such a loss as to where to go from here, as we stand by helplessly watching capitalism die, as the life support of neverending debt slowly fails.

A very old lie is easily mistaken for the truth. But how feeble does a ten thousand year old lie become the day it first meets the truth? Ask any scientist.
 
1358  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 06, 2015, 12:07:35 AM
Wouldn't that open up another problem with people who will exploit no copyright laws, and just steal other peoples ideas?
The idea that we should tolerate "ownership" of ideas in the information age shows just how insidious and malignant the profit motive has grown in our time. We shouldn't even tolerate ownership of bits of earth, let alone ideas.

Yes, most of them are poor, and now you want to take away their right to make money from their work.
Or we could provide decent baseline food, shelter, healthcare, and education to all human beings as a birthright. What would art look like in a world where potential artists aren't forced to work soul-crushing jobs just to survive, their suffering often robbing them of creativity and passion?

And if you really want to see the majority of songs unsung and books unwritten, take away any chance for people to make a living doing it.
You're defending the same capitalism that has systematically defunded the arts over the course of the past three decades, the same system which has made common the use of the phrase "starving artist", the same culture which isn't disgusted by the ubiquity of that phrase.
1359  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 05, 2015, 11:59:27 PM
If you guys hate the right to private property, which is the foundation of all freedoms, then go live in the USSR.
Private property isn't a human right enjoyed by all, it is an often inherited privilege enjoyed by a fraction of the human population. If you trace back through time you'd find that damn near all property can be linked to past violence.
If we as a civilization are to ever reject violence as a legitimate tool, we must begin by rejecting the over-engineered resource allocation which was forged in the blood of our forebears.

Nobody will spend millions of dollars to cure diseases, if their discoveries can be used equally by people who spent nothing.

Nobody will buy a microphone for $100,000 to record an album, if they can't sell that album because everyone else is giving it away for free.

Nobody will spend 3 years writing a book, if that book will not be their own property.
How many songs go unsung, how many books go unwritten, how much genius is wasted because the would-be writers, artists, and authors are instead wasting their lives scrambling to make next month's rent? We'll never know what might have been.

Fortunately for the future denizens of Earth, civilization will continue to socially evolve whether you butthurt capitalists like it or not.
1360  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed on: March 05, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
The concepts of copyright and patent are very much 20th century ones.

The idea of trying to control "copies" made sense when you had to have expensive equipment to make the copies and the idea of allowing people to hold control over the new inventions made sense when you didn't have a way for everyone to communicate.

But we don't live in the 20th century anymore.

What we see now is that in the US companies try and keep copyrights alive "forever" (just look at how many years they keep extending the time frame for copyright on music) and with patents many corporations are able to just "stifle" any development of new ideas (which was supposed to be the very point of patents) which is why it has taken so long for many alternative energy technologies to even appear.

We don't need these "artifacts of the past" as we have "crowd funding" and "crowd sourcing" to get things done much more efficiently.

Let's stop supporting antiquated ideas and start pushing forward some new thinking (this is the space that Bitcoin is a big part of).

Couldn't agree more, patents and copyrights are completely out of place and counter-productive in the digital age. One of the challenges of our time will be destroying the stigma against culture sharing ("piracy").

The near-future is decentralized, open-source, and crowdfunded, that much is clear. Disobedience equals progress here, folks. Obedience means stagnancy.
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